Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working. It's taken you this long to figure that out?
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They were never meant to work. They're a conditioning tool in the transition to no private vehicle ownership.
I agree. I see their play of boiling the frog slowly.
This ^^^
EV only works at this time in the form of hybrids, which of course still rely on internal combustion as the main form of power.
As a EE and working in a building full of electrical engineers, not a single one owns an EV. Just bought another internal combustion engine three months ago as well
Same reason most mechanics don't buy the top model vehicles with all the fancy doo dads.
I just got a hybrid rav4 a few weeks ago, 42mpg average mostly country driving
Haha what? Lower maintenance costs? What a joke. I also don't save much fuel with my hybrid, it just has more power than the equivalent ICE of my car
Not lower but not an significant increase. The Toyota hybrid systems are tested and very reliable. For example, the Prius has been a thing since 1997 and it gets more than enough mileage to make up for the additional cost of being a hybrid. It's average annual maintenance costs are around ~$410.
I have a hybrid form Toyota
Rav4 hybrid here, love it
Yeah most of the increase is the tires due to increased mass
Having owned one for over 13 years now I can say, YES. Much lower maintenance costs. At least in my case. I bought a used 2008 Camry Hybrid back in 2010. It is easily the best car I've ever owned to include Mercedes Diesels. Without going into ridiculous detail at 325,000 miles it still has the original pads and rotors (brakes) on it. There is no conventional alternator, no conventional starter, no conventional AC system, etc... Not as many mechanical devices to fail. As an example, my Tacoma has has been through 2 starters and 2 alternators since I bought it in 2015. We drive a lot. That truck has 275,000 miles. Back to the Camry... I did have to pull the "traction battery" at 265,000 miles. Pretty good for the original battery pack. I found tons of corrosion across the bus bars. I cleaned all of that up, revived the batteries with hobby chargers (took about 2 weeks), balanced the pack and re-installed. It's been fine ever since. Anyway, the only real bad thing about electric cars and hybrids is the damn battery anxiety. It's always in the back of your head that it could fail. For this reason alone, I'll never own another Hybrid or Electric car. It's been fun, but I'll pass. When the Camry is worn out, I'm done. Cost of ownership over all those miles is/was extremely low compared to just about any other vehicle I've owned since the 80's. Just oil changes, tires, coolant changes, brake fluid changes, etc... Stuff you would have to do on any other car. Fuel economy and power are both much better than the standard Camry. Over those miles, it's averaged right at 32mpg almost 33mpg. Granted if you drive it easy, it can get 36 to 38mpg. But, I drive normally and lots of interstate driving at 80+. I'm sorry you have had a bad experience with yours. Mine on the other hand has been nothing short of phenomenal.
You are indeed entitled to your opinion.
As the holder of A bunch of certifications from Nissan and VW as well as hybrid certification from toyota and VW, a dozen ASE's including L3 advanced hybrid and 17 years of fixing them though, your opinion is incorrect.
You are a bitch holy shit I didn't even say you can't have your opinion, just that it's retarded
Lol I have a dope car thanks though
It's even a hybrid there's just no fuel cost savings because the hybrid aspect is mostly just additional power.
I for one, agree with you. Good quality hybrid definitely saves on gas money with equivalent power.
If this place turns into redfags, I'm gunna be pissed.
You're right about fuel costs but don't see how maintenance is any less.
For one, since you use regenerative braking, you barely wear out brake pads or rotors since the vast majority of stopping power is the electric motor. So that’s nice.
My brakes have 65,000 miles on them, OEM quality.
Heck, if one drives reasonably brakes can last a long time. My first new car had 135,000 on it when I sold it. Original brake pads and rotors on a 1998 Acura Integra 5 speed manual.
Original clutch as well.
Let me know if you hit 100k.
So what?
But, the extra weight means hybrids and EVs go through tires much faster.
And just wait until that batter pack needs to be repaired.
The hybrid battery isn't that big. They engineer the weight of the battery pack with the rest of the chassis. I just replaced some tires and they had to be replaced due to age, not miles. So, I don't know that this is always a factor. Could be with a heavier vehicle, though. Mine might be lighter than others.
Battery packs are expensive if you have a professional do it for you. A hybrid may not be a great buy if you buy one just before its battery is about to go, and you can't do it yourself.
DIY batteries (brand new) are 1000-2500 for a hybrid, depends on which model. I'm about to install one myself in one of our vehicles and saving a fortune compared to paying someone else.
You can save around $500 or more annually on fuel (that's a conservative estimate, I think)....
In the end they may or may not be "worth it" but depending on your situation (miles driven etc) you can do your own math and see what's better for you.
I have a PHEV right now.
It works for me, in my current situation, since I have free charging at work. I can go to and from work on battery for the entire commute, except for going up a freeway onramp or stepping on it too much to speed up for lane changes and whatnot.
My car is significantly heavier than the its ICE counterpart. So much so that suspension pieces like struts and shocks do not interchange between the ICE and PHEV models.
Not to mention that I have almost no trunk space compared to the ICE version. The spare tire well, most of the trunk floor and a portion along the back of the rear seats has battery packs so there is very limited space for cargo.
When my commute was a little longer, I got just over what a HEV would get for mileage. Not great when you consider the extra complexity, weight and lack of space in the vehicle.
And, now that gas has gone insane again, I am back to charging at home since it is cheaper for the electricity than it is for gas.
My parents owned a hybrid Camry. A mouse got into the electrical and chewed it into a write off. A fucking mouse.
When they catch fire, do they tend to burn for hours or days? Burning in a fire, isn't the route I'd want to go when it's my time to leave this planet. Also..aren't you still basically driving around being microwaved?
I sell cars, GM in fact, we have a brand new Hummer EV Truck in the showroom we can’t even sell. Recall! These geniuses are designing battery cages and NOT using waterproof/weatherproof seals around them! Get in more than 2 ft water and it’s seeping into the cage. It’s a freaking Hummer, the whole point is off-roading. Simple, simple logic but they don’t care. Chinese are designing them and Chinese are truly building them (imported to GM plants from China on work visas).
I refuse to sell electric.
Isn't the amount of visas insane?
What's really funny is just how bad not protecting the batteries is, as you have no choice but to wait out the ensuing fire / possible explosions from a safe distance as water cannot subjugate it.
Priority one should be over engineering battery protections.
Priority two should be developing better battery solutions that use different materials that don't literally ignite.
It really seems like quality keeps going down, but gee it can't be because we offloaded all of our manufacturing to the cheapest slave labor camps.
Its INSANE that if its raining, you basically cannot drive, and apparently void the warranty if you do
*It's taken you this long to figure that out? *
And don't forget, they're the smart people. Just ask them.
EVs are niche products. They can't replace internal combustion. If they try to force it, they'll ruin everything. Which is the plan.
Toyota just invented a hydrogen powered engine.
Oh yeah, that's what I want in my car: A tank of hydrogen. What could go wrong?
Just enjoy the 8 foot flame shooting out when things do
Cool. Fireman here. Can’t wait!
Honestly not much more than what can currently go wrong with the same circumstances using gasoline
The only problem that hydrogen cars have is that if the tank is ruptured or released, hydrogen is one of the few things that gets hotter when released rather than cooler.
Otherwise, the technology is far superior to current battery technolgy with the added benefit of being able to utilize current infrastructure like gas stations. It's because of that advantage that it was never given a fair chance to compete.
Here's the fun part, Trump said he's going to cut the red tape to allow for propulsion freedom free market style. May the best technology for the application win (hint, it won't be electric).
That's not the only problem with H2 ICE vehicles. IF the technology is 'far superior' to electric then why hasn't it been adopted already? H2 Ice technology is not brand new, it's been around a while. EV's like Tesla's are operate at 85% efficiency, while H2 ICE operates at only 36% efficiency.
Free market style all the way, may the best technology win, and the best technology is Solid State Batteries in EV's. When they finally arrive and EV's get 500-700 miles of range with 85% efficiency nobody is going to care about H2 ICE except for enthusiasts and racings sports.
Hydrogen powered ICE are not new. Toyota may have just invented a good one but it's still incredibly inefficient. They won't be adopted until they find a more efficient way to liquify H2.
EV vehicles are great and have their place in transport. Replacing ICE with EV via legislation is beyond retarded. ICE companies can't pivot fast enough.
That's exactly right. EV's are great, and solid state batteries are going to make them far better than ICE. The problem is these retards are trying to force them down everyone's throat because of muh global warming.
I wouldn't accept one as a gift if offered. Thanks