First off, why am I bringing this up? Because the healthcare industry as a whole, in my mind, has turned into solely a money making entity and nothing more. Probably has been for years, but my eyes have been opened fully. Health 'care'? BS. They are all sold out with Big Pharma. For the record, I was completely understanding that hospice care is there to see you to the end, and not to cure you. Totally get that. What I didn't know (until I saw it first hand) is that they also expedite the dying process (at least in this case). Let me explain. My mother-in-law, age 85, came to live with us back in mid-April. She was weak from cancer (refused any treatments, however), and also suffered from a weak heart. The doctor had given her 3-9 months. Little did they know I gave her regular doses of ivermectin and when she moved in with us it was month 13 since the death sentence announced by her oncologist. To help you understand, Mary BELIEVED in the healthcare system. Took numerous other meds for high cholesterol, etc... She BELIEVED the doctors to the point that when her 9 month came about, she announced she would probably be dead by the end of the month because the doctor only gave her up to 9 months to live. Seems ridiculous, but that was her... unsuspecting, and all in. She didn't fret too much about it as a believer in Jesus, but she pretty much expected death... because the doctor said so. When she moved in, she had already been under hospice care in her own home since her death sentence. She didn't want to do the cancer treatments as this was her fourth battle with cancer in all her years and she knew what she was up against, and frankly did not want to go through that again. No one blamed her. This cancer was one they could not operate on (she'd had both breasts removed 15 years ago). This was a small tumor they found in a precarious spot in her esophagus. So, they told her she would gradually likely choke to death, be slowly unable to eat as the tumor would spread and grow. My personal opinion is that when she moved in she was a bit weak, but actually doing quite well. Like I said, she was regularly taking ivermectin. I doubt she even had cancer at this point. Until she moved in she wasn't eating right. She thought she was on death's door, so she would eat anything and everything she wanted... but it mostly consisted on junk food. With us, however, she got good meals; and she ate well! (Not like someone dying for sure!) So, you are probably wondering why I think hospice expedited her death, and had us help her. Here's what happened... When she moved in, she was set up with another hospice as we lived in another state and had to transfer her care. Let me tell you... these people are truly great, lovely, kind people. Social workers, nurses, doctors, etc.. all came to meet her and get to know her on a weekly basis. She signed her DNR like a good girl, and agreed to their protocol. A month or so after moving in, she had her first UTI (she liked the idea of not having to get up constantly to go to the bathroom, so she had a catheter put in.) It was myself and my adult daughter that first noticed the blood in the urine bag. Plus Mary was acting a little off mentally (common symptom of elderly with UTI) We contacted hospice. A nurse came by to get a urine sample to be tested. It would take TWO WEEKS to get the sample back and start her on antibiotics. TWO WEEKS! So, in the meantime, she was in pain due to the UTI. Hospice (doctor) decided this was a good time to start her on MORPHINE. I felt this was a bit overkill for a UTI, so I called to see why they would put her on morphine.. why not just give her tylenol or ibuprofen. Nope... morphine is the drug of choice for pain. Well, my husband was on board with my opinion for this and we refused at that time for any morphine, and within 3 days of starting the antibiotics for the UTI, she was back to her old self and actually gaining strength and looking good. She was helping out with laundry and cooking! However...next, she fell....hard. She fell in the presence of two nurses visiting that day (not sure how that happened, but it did). I don't blame the nurses for her fall, but seemed weird. Anyway, now she's in pain again... and rightfully so. Badly bruised tailbone. Thankfully nothing broken. What does hospice do? Time to start the morphine! And that was the beginning of the end.
So, what's the 'problem' with morphine? Two things... highly addictive and causes constipation like no ones business. So now, when she needs to go, it's often a false alarm and then also, another trip to the bathroom which she needs help to get to (with walker) as it also causes extreme weakness. We ended up getting a commode for her room to help with that, but it was still a daily struggle.
Jump ahead a couple of months... she never got off the morphine AND hospice increased the dosage continually, and the constipation remains a daily struggle in spite of how much water she drank. I tried to reason with her that she should stop taking the morphine but I was now dealing with a drug addict, and I don't have POA, only my hubby who will do whatever mom asks.
Let me tell you what else morphine does to a body... it slows everything down. It also decreases your hunger. Mary was back to not eating well. She spoke constantly only of dying, brainwashed, in my opinion, but also depressed now. She had difficulty getting up to the commode and it was hard on all of us. In all our opinions it was time for permanent bedrest. No more getting up. If she goes, we'll change the adult diaper.
Well, Mary never once went in that diaper. Once put in her bed permanently her pain increased so they upped her morphine, to HOURLY doses. Not kidding. This is where I felt like Kevorkian. What the hell? Hourly? (My husband -bless his heart- slept in the room with her to make sure she got her morphine as he didn't want his mom in any pain. FYI-he's also ALL IN on any doctors care and opinions... I pretty much had no say in this). She died 5 days later as she was never awake enough to eat or drink... kidneys shut down, everything slows down and eventually even the breathing stops. Seemed so unnecessary to me. To me, until the morphine was introduced she would have had several more months (even years?) with us. But hospice isn't designed for that. I have to wonder if they get a big pay day when someone dies... like the hospitals when they killed the covid patients with ventilators. I know... I'm just a conspiracy theorist, right?
I am so sorry to hear that your mother in law had to endure all of that before she passed.
I 100% agree with you.
My father in law was given a diagnosis of three months for small cell lung cancer. He never quit smoking and ended up living another five years and eight months.
I don't think he changed his diet but I honestly don't know. I do think he quit drinking.
I still think that the treatments for the cancer are what actually killed him.
The medical field is no long about healing but about profits.
Always has been. Insurance companies are the customers. Pharma directs the insurance companies and the med schools. Insurance companies own the state legislatures.
The medical system makes zero dollars from people who are healthy.
"Hospice Care" - for my Father in his dying days. He was in intense pain. We requested "Morphine" for his pain. ( IV ) They / Hospice - supplied a bottle of liquid morphine to be spoon feed. ( $ 800.00 bottle in 2004. ) "It" didn't do SHIT. I complained , repetitively - to def ears. Supposedly - one teaspoon of this elixir would knock a 200lb man on his ass for 8 hours. I got overly pissed off one day , and drank about 8oz of the bottle's content right in front of the nurse and the hospice administrator ( with a beer chaser . . . ) Aaaaaaaand "NOTHING". We reported this incident to the state of California - Aaaaand "NOTHING" . . . Save Israel and the medical field for last !!! Let their bodies hit the floor.
Think someone else had already helped themselves to the liquid Morphine and sent you guys some watered down cough medicine or something. Have seen hospital pharmacists do some crazy stuff.
Hospice care euthanizes people through opiates and benzos. Unthinking family members go along with it.
At first glance, it seems like the incentive structure of hospice care would prevent this. Wouldn't they make more money by keeping their patients alive? But I am very (very) convinced they are killing people, so perhaps they're paid on a per-patient basis. Anybody know?
Also something to look out for, hospitals and nursing homes will diagnose elderly patients with dementia who are not demented, but simply have a UTI. They will then tranquilize them, turning them into drooling vegetables for the rest of their lives, while profiting the whole time.
Agree 100%! Also, it was amazing to me that my daughter and I KNEW she had an UTI the nurses even poo-pooed it and they needed proof before allowing her to have antibiotics. Sick!
So the nurses doubted UTI even tho there was blood in the urine?! Grrr.
Harvesting their votes, draining their bank accounts...
Perhaps they get a cut for the organs? Then it becomes a high turnover rate contest.
There is a greater issue with Big Pharma drugs. A lot of facilities base their protocols off of Big Pharma requirements (or pressure).
There's no real justification for killing a patient unlike with COVID where they were literally paid for the inflation of death numbers.
Re: UTI vs dementia, it is true that a UTI can present symptoms of dementia.
Going thru this in real time with my grandparents and my exs new boyfriends mom just died with all this stuff recently
Wow, what an awful experience. That is very different than my experience with hospice and my Mom. My Mom had alzheimer's for a decade. At this point my mother had 24/7 nursing. As she neared the end we called hospice in. They evaluated and put her on palliative care instead, meaning they would see her less often and watch her changes. Eventually she was put on hopsice, however they didn't medicate her with pain meds until the end when she was no longer able to eat or drink. She was only on the heavy meds for a few days before passing.
Alzheimer's is different. The end is process is well known, it isn't until they can no longer eat or drink.
Just sharing as I had a much different experience. It does sound like your mother-in-law's death was accelerated a bit, my Mom's was not.
I saw my sister waste away from morphine too. It broke my heart. I was 18 and it really confirmed my distrust in the medical establishment. Im very sorry for your family's loss and I pray for your healing from the sad situation.
Thanks for sharing your story. It's a very personal issue and many don't share the experience, so it's difficult for others to learn about these problems until crisis hits. A person can be taken off hospice care. My mom went off hospice twice but went back on later and is now passed. Like your situation, morphine and other opioids played a large part. I'm sorry you had to go through that. It's awful.
Long ago we could find professional heath care in our country. Then it became the health care system. System kept edging care out, until eventually care was starved out. Care survives, but you can only find care in the people, not in the system. And some people care less than others or not at all. With weak care, health suffers.
Yes, the morphine is given in hospice because it eases the pain. But it is devastating to a person's animus, and their body. Pain killers, indeed.
I'm sorry for your family's loss.
My father passed away from cancer 10 years ago. He was under home hospice care. Toward the end the nurse informed me that they don’t track the amount of morphine used and I could give him as much as I wanted. She was implying that I could kill my father to put and end to what we were going through.
I had a close friend with end stage breast cancer. She was diagnosed at stage 4. She had not even wrapped her head around the idea of having cancer before they were trying to get her to agree to a DNR. and other end of life protocols. Without morphine we got her pain stabilized and got her out of the hospital and into hospice. In less than 24hrs she was taken back to the hospital unresponsive. Hospice had put her on morphine, after being expressly ordered not to use morphine - and she now had a DNR in place. WTF?
It looked like a drug overdose to me. When questioned about what happened and how the hell she now had a DNR, which she vehemently did not want, the doctor at the hospice said that he talked her into it. I was furious.... you mean you doped her up and then got her to agree to it. They tried to kill her. Granted, she was terminal, but this shit show death production line was too much.
Once you give them permission, they take over. I'm sorry you had to live through this. Modern medicine is evil.
I know your pain but I have to say here that Hospice helped my Mother in Law pass with less pain. Everyone dies and some do not have a merciful death. Many with cancer die such a painful death that even morphine won't numb the pain and they lay writhing in pain for weeks! My sister was 42 when she died of ovarian cancer and even with morphine , it was hard to watch. Hospice was there to administer the morphine and to help comfort the family. They seed death on a daily basis and help us deal with it. I cannot say enough good things about the people that work hospice. That has been my experience anyway. SOrry for your loss.
Thank you for writing this. On our way to the funeral where our pharma worshipping relatives are gathering. Stay strong and pray.
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Sorry about your loss.
Isn't Jimmy Carter still on hospice?
He's been on ice for months. The cabal will announce his death right before WW111 as a distraction
Exactly
I'm in a situation with my father that people wouldn't believe. He is 87 yo and has Parkinsons. He has care M-F til 3pm and on weekends till noon. We are working on getting care for the 6-10pm period. It is very hard to get him care because he is rural and no one wants to drive out to his house. Dad is very out going and we get him out to play euchere in two different community places twice a week.
Dad spends his morning dozing in his chair. Even when we wake him, his Parkinsons has control and he can't move. Problem is after he gets moving and the care givers leave, he gets into all kinds of stuff that he is too old to do and gets hurt. He is on blood thinners and we can't get him to stop climbing ladders and stairs. He digs at the drywall in his kitchen (we have fixed the dry wall 3 times professionally and "its not right") He uses his pocket knife to dig at the countertops and cupboards. The door in the kitchen is a disaster from his digging. Frankly, we are okay with the destruction he wroughts in the house because it keeps him occupied in view of the cameras and safe. We have resigned ourselves that it will just have to be remodeled after he is gone. However, he won't take his meds (even if he hears the alarm on his watch - he just ignores it), and he skips meals left for him because he is "busy". This behavior screws up the next morning for obvious reasons.
He goes outside after dark and drives the "lake living" neighbors nuts. I've lost track of the number of times the cops have been called on him. Once, last fall, he was driving his side by with an open beer, a loaded gun in the cab and so impacted by the "come and go" of his Parkinsons symptoms he couldn't keep it in his lane. He got pulled over with a warning because they dont want to deal with him.
He has put his push lawn mower in the lake (brother mows but its "not right") banged on ice on his drive for hours (he refuses to use salt), bangs with a hammer on a boat that has a small dent, works on his garden (another thing he can't get in trouble with) after dark, in the rain (except these two). Gets stuck outside and gotten lost in the middle of the night because he wanted to go to the local bar who promised a free dinner. They were closed. Uses his diaper with out changing (he can) from the time the care giver leaves until they arrive the next day. He scrounges the neighborhood and brings home other peoples junk with ideas to repurpose (he has money but has lived for more his entire life). He thinks he can still hunt safely and still wants to go fishing in a boat or on ice. Even bank fishing he shouldn't be alone. We have taken him out to do these things for years but its no longer safe for him. He wants to run the chain saw on a piece of property he has. And don't get him on a sales call! He asks multiple people a month to give him estimate prices on this or that. Because he doesn't believe what things cost.
We have taken away most tools, don't let him drive, we have cameras up in the living area of his home, we have him on a gizmo watch to track him and he wears a "I've fallen and can't get up" unit around his neck.
Despite all these safety elements, he has to be taken to the hospital multiple times a month for scans to detect blood clots or a brain bleed. He ends up bruised and cut up from multiple falls daily.
My brother and I have no way of controlling his behavior and can't stop his getting hurt. Dad is sneaky, obstinate, and belligerent. In his mind he can do anything he wants. He is up most nights until between 1-3:00am. We (5 of us - 4 of us are disabled) watching every camera alert still can't get him calmed down. Most often one of us have to go get him inside for the night. My brother is resigned and figures Dad will die alone from some accident. I live an hour away. Im an anxiety ridden bitch about the whole thing. Brother won't consider an assisted care home because we know they will drug Dad for control. He is also scared Dad would commit suicide if we put him in. I'm at a loss.
We need help and can't find it! What do people do? Sad thing is I want to spend good times with my Dad and with his out of control demands, Im angry and am looking forward to being free of the stress. I writing this on a hospice discussion as I gaze upon the image of Dads injury of the day because I want you to know there are worse ways to die and sometimes no matter what we do we can't prevent our love ones from aging and the issues related to aging just suck! As boomers head into this situation you can expect to see this type of situation more often. I wonder what their kids will do. Will what we see as killings in hospice, become desired and openly planned? Kavorkin started it and believe people are buying into mercy killings already scares me. How do we provide safe and loving freedom to our parents as they move into this stage? I think this needs to be discussed.
Some of these problems exist with the medical system as a whole, sadly. Urine tests for example -- two weeks seems long, but the problem is that these problems also exist outside of hospice care.
Getting things done in a timely manner is awfully slow.
A UTI is sadly also common with a catheter and is often warned about -- especially if not regularly replaced.
For Morphine, was she previously placed on opioids?
Problems with opioids are vast, and each step up is worse but more effective.
The most noticeable problems with opioids is the destruction it actually causes your nerves -- and this is also why opioid prescriptions and abuse are so critically crippling.
When you're on an opioid, it gets less effective over time -- simultaneously, it increases the amount of pain you have when you are off of them as your nerves attempt to recover, and that hurts.
So if she had been on opioids prior, it's possible that they deemed a requirement to have a step up for the pain.
It may seem like Morphine is a lot for just a UTI, but if she had been on opioids prior they would likely need either higher doses or a higher potency drug, which also explains the rising dosages over time.
If she HASN'T been on opioids prior, then disregard and it was most definitely overkill unless they were targeting more pain than just the UTI.
Hospice care as a business generally wants to keep people alive as long as possible because it's insane cash, like nursing homes. Once the patient goes, they tend to have a bed that isn't generating cash.
COVID was a separate issue. The government was paying them directly for inflating the numbers, as we found out. It was separate from Medicare, so where applicable they were getting bulk cash from "deaths with COVID" and Medicare payments for treating them, which gave a lot of incentives to kill them.
Ultimately, opioids are a huge issue that are still over used in the U.S. and sometimes that is the fault of the doctors, sometimes that is the fault of the users.
A lot of people who can't handle any amount of pain or discomfort turn to medication, and opioids are literally a gateway drug to Big Pharma's subscription pain relief program that makes it far worse the longer you're on it.
People who receive them after surgical operations get rebound pain after they stop, even though they're healed, so they think it's chronic pain and they can't live without the opioids so they pressure their doctors until they get their way.
I've lived with and around a lot of people who have been a part of the Big Pharma subscription, and seen how they pressure their doctors. In the end, that normalized prescribing and over prescribing opioids.
TL;DR: Opioids are bad, and people are bad at managing their pain after being prescribed them because their bodies build a reliance, and pain rebounds like a motherfucker when you get off them. This is an incredibly nuanced problem with public, government and hospital shared fault. It doesn't sound like they tried to kill their patient, and without knowing private medical records (that should stay private) it's hard to say whether Morphine was appropriate based on protocols I know of.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'm sorry for your loss. This sounds like a very shitty situation all around. Most hospice people I've met are pretty good people trying to accommodate their guests. Protocol varies from facility to facility though.
I ran a Hospice company for 20+ years. First, Hospice is paid a daily rate and unless something has changed there is no bonus for the death of a Hospice patient. I will say that this Hospice Team seemed to use extreme measures when not required. You tried your best to serve as her advocate! And I pray other families, like you, would question everything! I have experienced hospices that push morphine right off the bat. My MIL recently passed away while on Hospice. She wanted to be "knocked out" immediately, but the family declined morphine for 3 mos and only used it in the last 2 weeks. I encourage EVERYONE TO QUESTION "WHY" to any medication or treatments offered in all health situations!
Yes, they are literally creating death programs for us, and indoctrinating their workers to believe in it. Crazy nonsense stuff.
Hospice is nothing more than end of life care. My father was able to die at home, Peacefully, with hospice, and I am grateful. We knew it was his time, they came in and were professional and kind, and within a couple weeks my father had passed on. I’m grateful we had their care, and will be doing the same thing for my mother.
I’m sorry that this situation happened to you personally, and it does sound like something unethical was going on. However; when somebody is that old, and not getting on in life, why do we feel like people need to stay around to please us? Why do we want people to stay here longer when they could pass on and go and be with Jesus?
Now, if somebody is not saved, I would have a huge problem with having hospice come in and exercising a death sentence on somebody who’s going to hell.
My mother and I talk openly right now about her passing, and how to handle it, and what we should do in advance. This way we’re on the same page how to handle the situation, and what we would do, when she’s in her right mind, and can make those decisions for herself now. Not when she’s on morphine.
All that being said, I’m sorry for your situation, and it seems very valid for you to be suspicious and feel the way you do.
Yes, it is the morphine that kills them and the doctors and nurses all know this.
And if one has cancer, the chemo also in time will kill them
I have a childhood friend whose father lived to be 99. When they sent him home they apparently had the family participate in the hospice somehow? I know they had an at home "care plan." She didn't really give me the details but really I do know she struggled after he died because I think she thought they kind of put him to sleep like a dog. She talked to a therapist about it because it really haunted her. She's a very private person, but also, not really hypersensitive, so I think it must have been pretty bad.
My mother started falling 5 days after she got the 2nd Moderna vaccine. On her 2nd fall she hit her head on the a tile floor and was diagnosed with a brain bleed. All her doctors and hospital staff recommended she leave the hospital on hospice care. I guess this was their way of telling us she was going to die without actually telling us. So we brought her home and started hospice care. The nurse came to the house with the standard "Hospice Drug Kit" which included Lorazepam (anxiety medication), Morphine and constipation medication. We started the regimen of drugs as prescribed and she literally turned into a zombie and then went into a comatose state within 3-4 days. We immediately stopped giving her all of this medication and she soon started to come alive again. So going forward we decided to let things happen naturally and only give her pain medication when needed. Two months after bringing her home my husband fell really ill and I had to make the decision to put her into the hospice care facility because I could not take care of my husband and my mother at the same time. This happened in the midst of covid so there was no In-Home health care at this point in time. Also, my husband was the one lifting her in and out of the wheelchair and helping me with her care because it took the two of us to take care of her and he could no longer do that being ill. My husband got better and I brought my mom home from the hospice facility. She was there in the facility 6 days and when the ambulance wheeled her inside she was comatose. I knew they had loaded her up with the Lorazepam and morphine concoction. She would have been dead within a day or so if I hadn't brought her back home when we did. We took her off all of the medication again for the 2nd time and she did come back to life for a while but died naturally a month later but it was on her own terms and not hospice's terms. Hospice were wonderful and kind people and we had everything we needed to take care of my mother at our beck and call but my mother fought tooth and nail to stay alive and we just felt that we owed it to her not to prematurely end her life because Hospice recommended we do so.
Both of my parents passed away in Hospice care. Mom at 89 with dementia, and Dad at 94 with Alzheimers dementia. Both reached a point where they wouldn't get out of bed, and quit eating. They started refusing their regular meds. Their bodies got to where any movement caused them pain. Their body functions started shutting down. In with the morphine. Doses were graduated as needed, and the care facility med techs were often slow with the doses, worried they were over doing it. I watched them both closely and often administered the med myself. The med techs also pushed it quickly often choking them on it (morphine is given orally in hospice). I took over and gave it to them as a slow dribble down the side of their mouth. To me the morphine was a very humane thing for them both.
As a side note as my father was passing (death rattles) my wife and I were with him and suddenly the blinds on the window floated open about a foot and then slowly went back down. Windows were closed, heater was off, so no drafts. We looked at each other in dismay, wondering if each of us both saw the same thing. It wasn't scary, but it was a peaceful time. Both parents Christians and held Jesus close to their hearts. Perhaps it was from an angel, or dad's spirit departing. We sometimes think about the possibilities.
Remember that speech Obama gave on cost of health care and said "...old people just need to take the pill."
Same with my Mother-In-Law...we didn't get along but ny heart broke to see how doped up they kept her...
My uncle was under hospice care. They tried to keep him alive as long as possible. Wanna know why? Because he thought he should tip the nurses and gave them $ each visit. I AM NOT KIDDING.
Many have bad experiences using Hospice because nsg will not advocate effectively for the pt/family as to provide adequate pain relief for the pt. At least that has been my experience.
Yes, hospice workers are those who stand at the precipice, and as a patient comes near them, they grab them in with their morphine shepherd's crooks. "Get down there." They predicted to the day when my mother would die, and die she did.