Trump should bring the red folder to the next rally, just hold it, not talk about it. I would love to watch our world spin to crazy excitement. OR Scavino can just have it on a table somewhere on Airforce 1 or Trumps office...
At first, I didn't understand the entire scope of this contrived sting operation on Trump. There were pieces of this story not yet available, but now more of it has painted a good picture for better understanding it.
How clear is it that a President is the final authority of what is classified? The president is the ultimate authority of declassifying documents. Having documents in the possession of an outgoing president is a long held precedent. The courts have ruled on this as being automatic. So, what is the issue with Trump having these documents?
Apparently, every ex-president has kept their clearances for life. It is one of those time-honored precedents that has been practiced for every president in American history. That is, except for when it comes to President Trump. We now learn that Biden revoked Trump's security clearance. This is an unprecedented act. Furthermore, I believe it was done secretly without Trump's knowledge. I'm sure Trump, had he known, he would have made this known publicly. I believe this was suppose to have occurred by the time the FBI raided MAL. Originally it seemed the Trump defense emphasized that, through presidential authority to declassify all the documents, he had every right to possessing them. And presidential precedent and tradition permitted this. From this, anyone would think this was a simple case that ought to be ended by summary judgement and dismissal. However, it wasn't dismissed. Why?
Apparently after the MAL raid, those documents were reclassified by the Biden administration. This is the reason why this case persists. It was complete chicanery and never seen before in the history of the United States. The bottom line for Jack Smith was that Trump who didn't have a clearance was in possession of classified documents.
There's a twist to this contrived sting operation though. The security clearance that Trump had was not officially revoked until after the MAL FBI raid. The sting operation may have been fatally undermined. Trump had a full clearance for possessing all those documents.
This is my understanding of the dynamics of all of this. If anyone can add to this, please do.
In the context of Jack Smith trying to prevent Trump from having access to certain documents, may be based on Trump no longer having a security clearance to view them. IMHO, Judge Cannon ought to rule that an ex-president cannot have their security clearance revoked willy-nilly by an incoming president. This to me appears political and unconstitutional. However, the argument that Jack Smith is advancing is that they have "good cause" because Trump is being charged in a Washington DC federal court for attempting an insurrection and overthrowing the government of the United States.... and thus had good cause to revoke Mr. Trump's security clearance. See how this works? It's all a finely spun tapestry to ensnare Trump.
So, what is the issue with Trump having these documents?
Do you want the simple version where this is just a sting operation?
or the more complicated version where this is serious case?
The backstory to this starts with Nixon. Nixon was planning on breaking custom and keeping his presidential records. In fact, he planned on donating them and claiming a giant tax write off in the millions. Congress then passed a law that just applied to Nixon. In 1978 they passed a law that applied to all future presidents, the Presidential Records Act.
The PRA said several things.The most important thing is the President does not own Presidential Records. They are not private, they are public. They are owned by the United States.
Among other things, the PRA
Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.
.>Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President (While in office, the President has them.)
Establishes that Presidential records automatically **transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist **as soon as the President leaves office. (So the National Archives or NARA is the custodian of presidential records)
So far so good, but you also have to define what a presidential record is. Basically any records relating to
constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties
A letter to Trump from his high school gym teacher saying, We always knew you would go far? That's a personal record.
All of this is aside from classified materials. All presidential records are publicly owned and the legal custodian is the national archvies.
How clear is it that a President is the final authority of what is classified? The president is the ultimate authority of declassifying documents. Having documents in the possession of an outgoing president is a long held precedent. The courts have rule on this as being automatic. So, what is the issue with Trump having these documents?
President is ultimate authority on classification.....while they are in office. So there's a few issues.
Only personal records are supposed to go with presidents, not presidential records.
A classified document that becomes declassified is still a presidential record, it can never be a personal record. But this isn't what the indictment is about.
Trump is not charged with possessing these documents but "willfully retaining" them. That's the language of the law and it basically means not giving them back when asked to. He did give back so documents but not all.
The security clearance thing doesn't matter in terms of what he is charged with. The charges would be the same if he had full clearance. Because even if are allowed to access to the info, you can't just keep it.
Going back the President having the authority to declassify. The question is did he actually declassify them while President? If this is his defense that all these documents were declassified, he will have to prove this. The courts had the judge are saying these are classified and his lawyers need clearance and can only view these documents in a secure location.
All of this is good information, however the precedent shows otherwise. Obama and Clinton to name a few ex-presidents that have plenty of government classified documents. In fact, all of them have had the same. The court has ruled that the president when leaving office has the benefit of the doubt of having declassified any records he takes with him. You seem to forget how our courts work though, it isn't the defendant that has the burden of proving his innocence, it's the other way around. It is the prosecution that has the burden of proving guilt. Trump has shown an official dated letter of an EO declassifying the documents. Therefore, the documents were declassified in his possession. This is why after they were seized by the FBI, they were reclassified.
There has never been a case like this in the history of the United States. Even if 'some how' Trump had classified documents, which IMHO is automatically declassified when he left office, the evidence shows that he had the security clearance to have them up to after the MAL FBI raid.
Did you catch the chicanery of what the DOJ did? After the MAL FBI raid, the documents they took were re-classified. Trump's security clearance was suppose to be secretly revoked before the MAL raid. It didn't work out that way though. Trump's security clearance was revoked after the raid.
Apparently from what you stated, it doesn't matter if its the complicated version or the simple version, the end result is this is theater for the persecution of Trump.
"If the government gives me prima facie evidence (a legal term meaning a fact presumed to be true unless disproved) that this is classified, and you decide not to advance a claim of declassification ... as far as I'm concerned that's the end of it," Dearie told Trump's lawyers in his first public hearing on the matter.
Trump has shown an official dated letter of an EO declassifying the documents.
This is exactly the type evidence Trump will need to provide.
However, I believe the documents he did declassify related to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. None of those documents are the ones in the Indictment.
Even if 'some how' Trump had classified documents, which IMHO is automatically declassified when he left office, the evidence shows that he had the security clearance to have them up to after the MAL FBI raid.
Automatic declassification is not a thing. Your opinion or my opinion about it doesn't matter.
The security clearance is not an issue. The issue is the documents were subpoenaed and he didn't return them. That's what he is charged with
The charges would be the same if he had a clearance. Remember General Petraeus ? He had a clearance when he was convicted.
I disagree with your legacy news sounding talking points. I'm not buying your talking points You keep ignoring the most important points made in my last two posts. How come? Then you repeat your legacy news sounding talking points. General Paetraeus does not have the authority the president has. Apple and oranges. .
I don't believe you did "address the main legal issues". You seemed to have repeated CNN's version of the news. So you want the complicated version or the simple version? You completely ignored the important points I made. This is the simple version. I disagree with you. That's simple enough, no?
My guess is that Trump had proof of criminal activity on some deep staters. He can classify anything he wants, therefore he classified the proof of this activity for later use. Smith seeking to withhold info just might have the case thrown out. It’s what’s known as discovery and purposely withholding info. I’m not a lawyer, so any ideas?
The court, upon a sufficient showing, may authorize the United States to delete specified items of classified information from documents to be made available to the defendant through discovery under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, to substitute a summary of the information for such classified documents, or to substitute a statement admitting relevant facts that the classified information would tend to prove.
Space Force
We have some idea of the 32 documents involved in this case. None involve the Space Force.
Jack Smith worships Satan.
Literal minion
Kid fucker as well
Most likely.
Is it time for the Red Folder yet?
Trump should bring the red folder to the next rally, just hold it, not talk about it. I would love to watch our world spin to crazy excitement. OR Scavino can just have it on a table somewhere on Airforce 1 or Trumps office...
President Trump can just take the documents in question out of his top pocket-and release them to the public
Red Folder? I know that in a seemingly unrelated context.
It's the folder he had in hand before going out to see the people on Jan 6th.
2016 = pedos exposed = galaxy of the pedophiles
2020 = stolen election, J6 FF, covid, vax, George Floyd etc = Panic in DC
2024 = Space Force = Space Jurisdiction = FISAGATE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Force
section 702 of FISA set to expire at the end of the year White House pushing for renewal and facing backlash..
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/13/biden-electronic-government-surveillance-law-privacy
Sec. 702 - https://files.catbox.moe/pxaso7.pdf
u/#q4299
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1722996855896789157
At first, I didn't understand the entire scope of this contrived sting operation on Trump. There were pieces of this story not yet available, but now more of it has painted a good picture for better understanding it.
How clear is it that a President is the final authority of what is classified? The president is the ultimate authority of declassifying documents. Having documents in the possession of an outgoing president is a long held precedent. The courts have ruled on this as being automatic. So, what is the issue with Trump having these documents?
Apparently, every ex-president has kept their clearances for life. It is one of those time-honored precedents that has been practiced for every president in American history. That is, except for when it comes to President Trump. We now learn that Biden revoked Trump's security clearance. This is an unprecedented act. Furthermore, I believe it was done secretly without Trump's knowledge. I'm sure Trump, had he known, he would have made this known publicly. I believe this was suppose to have occurred by the time the FBI raided MAL. Originally it seemed the Trump defense emphasized that, through presidential authority to declassify all the documents, he had every right to possessing them. And presidential precedent and tradition permitted this. From this, anyone would think this was a simple case that ought to be ended by summary judgement and dismissal. However, it wasn't dismissed. Why?
Apparently after the MAL raid, those documents were reclassified by the Biden administration. This is the reason why this case persists. It was complete chicanery and never seen before in the history of the United States. The bottom line for Jack Smith was that Trump who didn't have a clearance was in possession of classified documents.
There's a twist to this contrived sting operation though. The security clearance that Trump had was not officially revoked until after the MAL FBI raid. The sting operation may have been fatally undermined. Trump had a full clearance for possessing all those documents.
This is my understanding of the dynamics of all of this. If anyone can add to this, please do.
In the context of Jack Smith trying to prevent Trump from having access to certain documents, may be based on Trump no longer having a security clearance to view them. IMHO, Judge Cannon ought to rule that an ex-president cannot have their security clearance revoked willy-nilly by an incoming president. This to me appears political and unconstitutional. However, the argument that Jack Smith is advancing is that they have "good cause" because Trump is being charged in a Washington DC federal court for attempting an insurrection and overthrowing the government of the United States.... and thus had good cause to revoke Mr. Trump's security clearance. See how this works? It's all a finely spun tapestry to ensnare Trump.
Do you want the simple version where this is just a sting operation?
or the more complicated version where this is serious case?
The backstory to this starts with Nixon. Nixon was planning on breaking custom and keeping his presidential records. In fact, he planned on donating them and claiming a giant tax write off in the millions. Congress then passed a law that just applied to Nixon. In 1978 they passed a law that applied to all future presidents, the Presidential Records Act.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html
The PRA said several things.The most important thing is the President does not own Presidential Records. They are not private, they are public. They are owned by the United States.
Among other things, the PRA
.>Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President (While in office, the President has them.)
So far so good, but you also have to define what a presidential record is. Basically any records relating to
That big letter got from Kim Jon Un? That's a presidential record.
A letter to Trump from his high school gym teacher saying, We always knew you would go far? That's a personal record.
All of this is aside from classified materials. All presidential records are publicly owned and the legal custodian is the national archvies.
President is ultimate authority on classification.....while they are in office. So there's a few issues.
Only personal records are supposed to go with presidents, not presidential records.
A classified document that becomes declassified is still a presidential record, it can never be a personal record. But this isn't what the indictment is about.
Trump is not charged with possessing these documents but "willfully retaining" them. That's the language of the law and it basically means not giving them back when asked to. He did give back so documents but not all.
The security clearance thing doesn't matter in terms of what he is charged with. The charges would be the same if he had full clearance. Because even if are allowed to access to the info, you can't just keep it.
Going back the President having the authority to declassify. The question is did he actually declassify them while President? If this is his defense that all these documents were declassified, he will have to prove this. The courts had the judge are saying these are classified and his lawyers need clearance and can only view these documents in a secure location.
All of this is good information, however the precedent shows otherwise. Obama and Clinton to name a few ex-presidents that have plenty of government classified documents. In fact, all of them have had the same. The court has ruled that the president when leaving office has the benefit of the doubt of having declassified any records he takes with him. You seem to forget how our courts work though, it isn't the defendant that has the burden of proving his innocence, it's the other way around. It is the prosecution that has the burden of proving guilt. Trump has shown an official dated letter of an EO declassifying the documents. Therefore, the documents were declassified in his possession. This is why after they were seized by the FBI, they were reclassified.
There has never been a case like this in the history of the United States. Even if 'some how' Trump had classified documents, which IMHO is automatically declassified when he left office, the evidence shows that he had the security clearance to have them up to after the MAL FBI raid.
Did you catch the chicanery of what the DOJ did? After the MAL FBI raid, the documents they took were re-classified. Trump's security clearance was suppose to be secretly revoked before the MAL raid. It didn't work out that way though. Trump's security clearance was revoked after the raid.
Apparently from what you stated, it doesn't matter if its the complicated version or the simple version, the end result is this is theater for the persecution of Trump.
I'm not sure what you are talking about here. I don't think this is true
This is not true. I think you are confusing this with something else.
These documents are marked as classified. This is "prima facie" evidence they are classified. So Trump will need to counter this evidence.
In fact this has already came up in court last year.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/new-york-judge-takes-up-review-documents-fbi-seized-trumps-home-2022-09-20/
This is exactly the type evidence Trump will need to provide.
However, I believe the documents he did declassify related to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. None of those documents are the ones in the Indictment.
Automatic declassification is not a thing. Your opinion or my opinion about it doesn't matter.
The security clearance is not an issue. The issue is the documents were subpoenaed and he didn't return them. That's what he is charged with
The charges would be the same if he had a clearance. Remember General Petraeus ? He had a clearance when he was convicted.
I disagree with your legacy news sounding talking points. I'm not buying your talking points You keep ignoring the most important points made in my last two posts. How come? Then you repeat your legacy news sounding talking points. General Paetraeus does not have the authority the president has. Apple and oranges. .
This is not helpful. I linked to a lot of primary sources. If you think I got facts wrong, point them out.
Which points are these?
I think I addressed the main legal issues. And I explained which issues don't apply.
I don't believe you did "address the main legal issues". You seemed to have repeated CNN's version of the news. So you want the complicated version or the simple version? You completely ignored the important points I made. This is the simple version. I disagree with you. That's simple enough, no?
Again this is what I was asking about. What did I ignore?.. if you want me to address them, let me know what they are.
I suspect it's the part you disagree with.
Has anyone come up with Smith's real name?
I know, that's dropped off the radar. Good question.
My guess is that Trump had proof of criminal activity on some deep staters. He can classify anything he wants, therefore he classified the proof of this activity for later use. Smith seeking to withhold info just might have the case thrown out. It’s what’s known as discovery and purposely withholding info. I’m not a lawyer, so any ideas?
The marxists are desperately trying to access the PEADS.
So the process here is any of the top, top secret evidence will be presented as a redacted summary.
The judge gets to see the evidence and see the defense's (Trump's ) argument.
She then will rule if the redactions are ok
This standard under the Classified Information Procedures Act
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18a/compiledact-96-456/section-4
Space Force
Nope - Epstein. Bidens. Clintons - that rabbit hole.
It’s afraid