Now you need to recognize WHO lead the importing of this monster. The guilty group will want you to focus on the Islam in Europe problem, while ignoring the fact that THEY planned it and caused it. Jesus warned us of this group. Start noticing.
The list below is a few years old...some groups have perhaps dropped off, and others added. But these are the NGOs and nonprofits behind most of the movement of illegals in Europe:
Why no "Catholic [Jesuit] Charities" (Sisters of The Poor, etc..) on that list? I guess it's best to expose one enemy at a time, and start with [Zionism], and then [Islam] or their creator [Jesuit ROMAN Catholic Church]. But surly [Zionism] has created one or more 'sect' of [Islam] for there useful purposes. What a "twisted Deceiving" game these [Satanist] play...
Yes I know about how the [Jesuits (Freemasons) Jews] are intertwined, to me the [Jesuit RCC and the SINagogue of Satan] are one in the same. [They] are Satanic in everything they do, they twist everything to make it almost impossible to figure out who they are and what they are doing. [They] hide behind wonderful names (it's for the children, do it for grandma, etc..), Order of Jesus, Society of Jesus, etc.. etc..., but are nothing more than [Satanist].. All the inbreeding has lead to some really stupid people, and if it wasn't for Trump, none of it would have been exposed...
What needs to happen is full disclosure. The people that let them in were all following an agenda. An agenda to supplant the current population in favor of a subservient one that is used to being ruled by an iron fist. Those people had communications about their policies and procedures. Start going through their emails and find it all.
The use of the Bill of Rights as a defense for abominations revered as 'religions' to promote "justified" violence against anyone just doesn't cut it anymore.
The Siege of Vienna in September 11th, 1683 stopped the moslem hordes from entering Europe, that saved Christianity, but all for naught in the last 50 years..
Islam is literally murderous against Christianity. As a Christian, you can feel love and be tolerant and it makes no difference. Their religion tells them to hate you, enslave you and kill you. There is no coexistence with Islam..not with Christians not with Jews. Not with Hindus, not with Buddhists not with anyone. They coexist with no one. Read their theology, believe what it says and be prepared to die.. There is no middle ground.
When Europeans fought the Muslims and threw them out, this was done from a Christian worldview. Now Europe is postChristian, and all they have is materialism, so they have no moral compass to guide them. Relativity doesn't work. Not all beliefs are equally life-inhancing. Islam is death and slavery.
Wilders is going way overboard on what he's calling for. Maybe taking down mosques and outlawing a religion is ok in the Netherlands but it is not how America works. Otherwise, I applaud someone in Europe is pointing out the immigrant agenda.
Islam is a scheme to invade and conquer the world, disguised as a religon.
ANYTHING calling itself a "religion" that advocates subjugating and murdering people of other religions is not a true religion, but instead a criminal organization.
Does Islam advocate subjugating and murdering infidels? Do its teachings RELIABLY lead to subjugation and murder of Christians and others as the percentage of Muslims increases in a nation?
Yes, absolutely -- including, near the end-point, of moderate Muslims who do not support Jihad (i.e., decent people who happen to have been raised in Islam).
Two suggestions for research into the actual nature of Islam:
Ok. Will be checking out your links. In the meantime a comment from above;
"Why no "Catholic [Jesuit] Charities" (Sisters of The Poor, etc..) on that list? I guess it's best to expose one enemy at a time, and start with [Zionism], and then [Islam] or their creator [Jesuit ROMAN Catholic Church]. But surly [Zionism] has created one or more 'sect' of [Islam] for there useful purposes. What a "twisted Deceiving" game these [Satanist] play..."
I haven’t read the books you suggest here, but a serious question…. If, as you state, as the percentage of muslims increases in a nation, subjugation and murder of Christians reliably occur…. Why then are there over six thousand Christian churches in Iran, for example?
Also, is Mohammed bin Salman a muslim? From the way I understand it, POTUS alerted him to an imminent assassination attempt in NV, for which MbS was thankful enough to then assist POTUS in speaking to other high profile individuals that needed “persuasion” to get off the wrong paths they were pursuing. He also locked up several of the corrupt power players in his country and welcomed POTUS to participate in some meaningful rites (sword dance) in SA.
Does it make more sense perhaps that the radical islamists are the problem? Even the first book you linked doesn’t say “We must defeat Islam”, but rather “We must defeat radical Islam”.
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One final thought… as I recall, there was quite a lot of warring between two Christian ideologies in Ireland, both believing the other should be eradicated, before they were brought to their senses and came together. I have hope that good people of all religions can come together and fight against the evil ones of all religions.
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I can’t speak to what our servicemen and women who were sent to predominantly muslim countries to do battle over there and lost brothers-in-arms and/or were injured themselves harbor as emotions towards muslims in general; my perspective here is, admittedly, non-military and viewing the religious landscape from a 40K view over a historical timeline.
My knee-jerk reaction to Mr Wilder’s desire to mete out collective punishment to all muslims, closing their places of worship, for example, is revulsion. Perhaps it’s because we here in the States who are Christian can certainly imagine the current DS issuing an edict through their puppet Potatus that all churches are to be closed as they deem all Christians as “terrorists”. Just some of my thoughts. MHO.
No, I’m not averse to kicking out illegal aliens who have invaded many countries, but am averse to kicking out individuals who may have been there for generations, living peaceably, and closing their places of worship.
You’re claiming superior knowledge and insight into “the nature and scope of the problem” yet all you’ve done is repeat the blanket statement that they’re all bad. Would you at least be willing to share your thoughts on the points I iterated? I don’t ask for links, sauce, or the like, but just your perspective so that I and others here can be more informed.
Please go read these Muslims' own religious documents. Even those who have been living here peacefully are told to convert the non-Muslims or conquer/destroy them. And to lie if necessary to do so. Their intent is world conquest, however they have to do it.
I have, anon, since 9-11. I’ve probably forgotten more on the subject than most have read, though admittedly not much in the past five years. Not being emotionally-invested in the topic, and as is my nature, I take information from both/all sides of an issue (including the DS narratives aimed at stoking fear and hate).
I was well aware when I wrote my first comment here that there are many here who are emotionally-involved, but brought up the points to consider anyway. I also added a couple links that I thought would be interesting to those who would like to review them. As yet, no one has addressed my question about how there can be Christian churches in predominantly muslim countries if, as some claim, they’re all savages. No one has yet to address my question on MbS. Discussion about Christian vs Christian? Nothing. The research data on American muslim attitudes? Nothing.
While I’m most definitely not a proponent of islam myself (despite what others may think) I remain averse to the WW2-era Japanese internment camp mentality. The Mossad brazenly state that deception is their standard MO yet many believe they’re our greatest ally. (USS Liberty comes to mind). There are those who believe all jews are horrific savages based on the Talmud, but I’m not about to condemn every jewish individual and call for their expulsion and closing of synagogues either. I believe it should all be open to reasoned, dispassionate discussion without censorship. I understand that things of this nature get emotionally charged especially during wartime. Maybe after “the storm” would be a better time to discuss matters like this.
I do appreciate your gentle urging and, as I stated, it’s been some time since I’ve waded into this morass. I’m not particularly “invested”, so to speak, in the topic, but may wade back in at some point in the future to take in whatever the current information is from all sides, all perspectives, but for now I’ve commented all I’m going to. As a closing remark let me just add that I have great hope for the future that so much of what we’ve been led to believe will be exposed as lies and that at least some of the truth will be laid bare before my time here on this earth is over. It’s going to take years if not decades for the truth to come out.
Thanks for the links. The first one, at least, is long… going to take a while to read through them. I found the following which may be of interest to those interested in the topic.
A long excerpt: (Percentage numbers are from 2010 or earlier)
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
Thank you for providing this information. It’s quite interesting and I’ll definitely delve more into this in the future.
I also looked into the writer, Walid Shoebat, and from what I can tell, in addition to lambasting radical muslims, he also advocates for American muslims who aren’t radical. It seems that, despite his conversion from islam to Christianity, he does NOT feel that all muslims are savages. I’d be interested to hear what he has to say about this post’s topic of Dutch politician Wilder’s call to expel ALL muslims from his country and shutter their mosques.
In the information you provided above, Mr. Shoebat states the following:
“… From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in: (Etc) …”
… why is it that there are over six thousand Christian churches in Iran?
Please see the links I provided in my first comment in this post (regarding Christianity in Iran). There are pie charts about the religious makeup of Iranians which show that muslims are well over the 60% threshold that Mr Shoebat claims turn them into genocidal maniacs (he himself claims Iran is 98% muslim as per the data you shared). He states:
“… After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in: (etc) …”
If what Mr Shoebat states is true, how can there be ANY Christian churches or jewish synagogues in predominantly muslim countries? I just picked Iran as an example, but look into others.
Finally, if you have any inclination to read the fuller.edu link I provided in an above comment, I’d appreciate hearing your thoughts on it. I scanned it and at first glance it seems well-reasoned, will delve into it again.
If what Mr Shoebat states is true, how can there be ANY Christian churches or jewish synagogues in predominantly muslim countries? I just picked Iran as an example, but look into others.
So far as I know, there are SOME Christians in almost EVERY majority-Muslim country. Removing every single Christian is probably not a high priority once the overwhelming mass of the population is Muslim, and in the case of Iran, which (before the Shah's overthrow) had a vibrant Christian community and was far more Western and secular than most nations in the region, there may be unique reasons for not persecuting the Christians even more than they already quite clearly are. ("In 2023, the country was scored zero out of 4 for religious freedom."[65]
"In the same year, it was ranked as the 8th most difficult place in the world to be a Christian."[66])
Whether Iran is unique in their level of tolerance for a small Christian minority (~150,000 in a nation of 87+ million) or not, we can see the process that Shoebat describes taking place all over the world: as a Muslim minority grows, it becomes more violent (including gang-raping the local women; see Sweden and London as well-known examples) and works tirelessly convert the host nation to Islam.
I'll add that the majority of Muslims in many nations (perhaps not in all) seem to be decent, honest people and no threat to others. On the other hand, my father told me that the man he sat next to on a plane flying out of the Middle East was a pleasant, intelligent guy and a good conversationalist. As they got up to leave after landing, he told my dad "There is one thing I have to do before I die. I have to kill a Jew." (No, my family isn't Jewish)
And that's what you get from a religion that TELLS its people that non-believers must be converted or killed. Muslim violence against "infidels" is a real thing and it is built-in to Islam. That's not true of Christianity, Jainism, Hinduism, or Buddhism.
Yes, there remains a minority Christian community in Iran, which shrunk after the Shah's ouster but in recent years has rebounded. I agree with you that Iran -- as oppressive as it is to Christians and to the entire general population -- has at least not attempted to eradicate the relatively small number of Christians in the country.
The government guarantees the recognized Christian minorities a number of rights (production and sale of non-halal foods),[citation needed] representation in parliament, special family law etc.[citation needed] According to US-based Barnabas Fund government intrusion, expropriation of property, forced closure and persecution, particularly in the initial years after the Iranian Revolution, have all been documented.[citation needed]
On 2 February 2018, four United Nations human rights experts said that members of the Christian minority in Iran, particularly those who have converted to Christianity, are facing severe discrimination and religious persecution in Iran. They expressed their concerns over treatment of three Iranian Christians imprisoned in Iran.[24]
Iranian Christians tend to be urban, with 50% living in Tehran.[25]
Christianity remains the second-largest non-Muslim minority religion in the country.[26]
A June 2020 online survey found a much smaller percentage of Iranians stating they believe in Islam, with half of those surveyed indicating they had lost their religious faith.[27] The poll, conducted by the Netherlands-based GAMAAN (Group for Analyzing and Measuring Attitudes in Iran), using online polling to provide greater anonymity for respondents, surveyed 50,000 Iranians and found 1.5% identified as Christians.[27][28]
Thank you for responding (and I truly do appreciate the data-based discussion). You were responding as I was responding in another comment. In researching the wiki references, the first one you cited, for overall religious freedom, says that “recognized” Christian communities (not sure what that means) “are relatively free to worship”.
The second reference you cited, #66, sounds particularly interesting and worth looking into further as do some of the other referenced material.
I’m fading fast here, too tired to respond further tonight, Narg, but will delve into this further tomorrow night if I can find time.
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Reference #65:
“… Are individuals free to practice and express their religious faith or nonbelief in public and private? 0/4
Iran is home to a majority Shiite Muslim population and Sunni Muslim, Baha’i, Christian, and Zoroastrian minorities. The constitution recognizes only Zoroastrians, Jews, and certain Christian communities as non-Muslim religious minorities, and these small groups are relatively free to worship. The regime cracks down on Muslims who are deemed to be at variance with the state ideology and interpretation of Islam.
Sunni Muslims complain that they have been prevented from building mosques in major cities and face difficulty obtaining government jobs. In recent years, there has been increased pressure on the Sufi Muslim order Nematollahi Gonabadi, including destruction of its places of worship and the jailing of some of its members.
The government also subjects some non-Muslim minorities to repressive policies and discrimination, including Baha’is and unrecognized Christian groups. Baha’is are systematically persecuted, sentenced to prison, and banned from access to higher education. In May 2021, the Baha’i International Community reported on multiple raids of Baha’i homes, along with the detention of more than 20 people. Later that month, the Revolutionary Court of Borazjan issued prison sentences against six Baha’i; one defendant received an 11-year sentence for “propaganda activities against the regime” for discussing their faith, while the other five received 12-and-a-half-year sentences for “assisting in propaganda activities.” …”
Oh my. Finally reality is spoken in Netherlands.
Let the finality happen now in the USA - Trump 47b424
Is truth a hate crime in his country?
Now you need to recognize WHO lead the importing of this monster. The guilty group will want you to focus on the Islam in Europe problem, while ignoring the fact that THEY planned it and caused it. Jesus warned us of this group. Start noticing.
Yep. It is Rome/the vatican. Revenge for daring to leave the 'open arms' of the catholic church some 500 years ago.
The list below is a few years old...some groups have perhaps dropped off, and others added. But these are the NGOs and nonprofits behind most of the movement of illegals in Europe:
AJR
Alyth Gardens Synagogue
BODSA - Board of Deputies Social Action Group
Finchley Progressive Synagogue
JCORE - The Jewish Council For Racial Equity
Jewish Social Action Forum
JLC
JW3
The Liberal Jewish Synagogue
Liberal Judaism
Masorti Judaism
New North London Synagogue
Movement For Reform Judaism
Northwood and Pinner Liberal Synagogue
Office of the Chief Rabbi
Pears Foundation
Rabbinic Conference of Liberal Judaism
Rabbinic Council of the United Synagogue
Rene Cassin
Tzelem
United Synagogue
West London Synagogue of British Jews
World Jewish Relief
Why no "Catholic [Jesuit] Charities" (Sisters of The Poor, etc..) on that list? I guess it's best to expose one enemy at a time, and start with [Zionism], and then [Islam] or their creator [Jesuit ROMAN Catholic Church]. But surly [Zionism] has created one or more 'sect' of [Islam] for there useful purposes. What a "twisted Deceiving" game these [Satanist] play...
Amen! I rest my case.
Yes I know about how the [Jesuits (Freemasons) Jews] are intertwined, to me the [Jesuit RCC and the SINagogue of Satan] are one in the same. [They] are Satanic in everything they do, they twist everything to make it almost impossible to figure out who they are and what they are doing. [They] hide behind wonderful names (it's for the children, do it for grandma, etc..), Order of Jesus, Society of Jesus, etc.. etc..., but are nothing more than [Satanist].. All the inbreeding has lead to some really stupid people, and if it wasn't for Trump, none of it would have been exposed...
What needs to happen is full disclosure. The people that let them in were all following an agenda. An agenda to supplant the current population in favor of a subservient one that is used to being ruled by an iron fist. Those people had communications about their policies and procedures. Start going through their emails and find it all.
And the Kenyan was a player to change the balance.
Love his Trump hair kek
Muslims belong in Muslim countries. Period.
God Bless and especially protect this man!!
Freedom of religion. Don't like where this is headed one bit. First Islam. Next Christians.
The use of the Bill of Rights as a defense for abominations revered as 'religions' to promote "justified" violence against anyone just doesn't cut it anymore.
The Siege of Vienna in September 11th, 1683 stopped the moslem hordes from entering Europe, that saved Christianity, but all for naught in the last 50 years..
Islam is literally murderous against Christianity. As a Christian, you can feel love and be tolerant and it makes no difference. Their religion tells them to hate you, enslave you and kill you. There is no coexistence with Islam..not with Christians not with Jews. Not with Hindus, not with Buddhists not with anyone. They coexist with no one. Read their theology, believe what it says and be prepared to die.. There is no middle ground.
Islam is against every western culture your take is suicidal
Exactly. Coexistence is a fairytale. Non existant.
When Europeans fought the Muslims and threw them out, this was done from a Christian worldview. Now Europe is postChristian, and all they have is materialism, so they have no moral compass to guide them. Relativity doesn't work. Not all beliefs are equally life-inhancing. Islam is death and slavery.
That was clear, many Americans, Latin Americans and Europeans live in Holland and respect Christian traditions and customs.
He knows that Islam cannot belong to a Christian society.
You know the other plan seems to be moving along quite well through the years.
"...all you need to so is follow the worms!"
Albert Pike said that WW3 would be over zionism v. islam. This seems to be just a setup.
Wilders is going way overboard on what he's calling for. Maybe taking down mosques and outlawing a religion is ok in the Netherlands but it is not how America works. Otherwise, I applaud someone in Europe is pointing out the immigrant agenda.
Islam is a scheme to invade and conquer the world, disguised as a religon.
ANYTHING calling itself a "religion" that advocates subjugating and murdering people of other religions is not a true religion, but instead a criminal organization.
Does Islam advocate subjugating and murdering infidels? Do its teachings RELIABLY lead to subjugation and murder of Christians and others as the percentage of Muslims increases in a nation?
Yes, absolutely -- including, near the end-point, of moderate Muslims who do not support Jihad (i.e., decent people who happen to have been raised in Islam).
Two suggestions for research into the actual nature of Islam:
They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It by Brigitte Gabriel
Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Ok. Will be checking out your links. In the meantime a comment from above; "Why no "Catholic [Jesuit] Charities" (Sisters of The Poor, etc..) on that list? I guess it's best to expose one enemy at a time, and start with [Zionism], and then [Islam] or their creator [Jesuit ROMAN Catholic Church]. But surly [Zionism] has created one or more 'sect' of [Islam] for there useful purposes. What a "twisted Deceiving" game these [Satanist] play..."
Pretty much sums up the game board.
I haven’t read the books you suggest here, but a serious question…. If, as you state, as the percentage of muslims increases in a nation, subjugation and murder of Christians reliably occur…. Why then are there over six thousand Christian churches in Iran, for example?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/september/iran-christian-conversions-gamaan-religion-survey.html
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Also, is Mohammed bin Salman a muslim? From the way I understand it, POTUS alerted him to an imminent assassination attempt in NV, for which MbS was thankful enough to then assist POTUS in speaking to other high profile individuals that needed “persuasion” to get off the wrong paths they were pursuing. He also locked up several of the corrupt power players in his country and welcomed POTUS to participate in some meaningful rites (sword dance) in SA.
Does it make more sense perhaps that the radical islamists are the problem? Even the first book you linked doesn’t say “We must defeat Islam”, but rather “We must defeat radical Islam”.
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One final thought… as I recall, there was quite a lot of warring between two Christian ideologies in Ireland, both believing the other should be eradicated, before they were brought to their senses and came together. I have hope that good people of all religions can come together and fight against the evil ones of all religions.
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I can’t speak to what our servicemen and women who were sent to predominantly muslim countries to do battle over there and lost brothers-in-arms and/or were injured themselves harbor as emotions towards muslims in general; my perspective here is, admittedly, non-military and viewing the religious landscape from a 40K view over a historical timeline.
My knee-jerk reaction to Mr Wilder’s desire to mete out collective punishment to all muslims, closing their places of worship, for example, is revulsion. Perhaps it’s because we here in the States who are Christian can certainly imagine the current DS issuing an edict through their puppet Potatus that all churches are to be closed as they deem all Christians as “terrorists”. Just some of my thoughts. MHO.
No, I’m not averse to kicking out illegal aliens who have invaded many countries, but am averse to kicking out individuals who may have been there for generations, living peaceably, and closing their places of worship.
You’re claiming superior knowledge and insight into “the nature and scope of the problem” yet all you’ve done is repeat the blanket statement that they’re all bad. Would you at least be willing to share your thoughts on the points I iterated? I don’t ask for links, sauce, or the like, but just your perspective so that I and others here can be more informed.
Please go read these Muslims' own religious documents. Even those who have been living here peacefully are told to convert the non-Muslims or conquer/destroy them. And to lie if necessary to do so. Their intent is world conquest, however they have to do it.
I have, anon, since 9-11. I’ve probably forgotten more on the subject than most have read, though admittedly not much in the past five years. Not being emotionally-invested in the topic, and as is my nature, I take information from both/all sides of an issue (including the DS narratives aimed at stoking fear and hate).
I was well aware when I wrote my first comment here that there are many here who are emotionally-involved, but brought up the points to consider anyway. I also added a couple links that I thought would be interesting to those who would like to review them. As yet, no one has addressed my question about how there can be Christian churches in predominantly muslim countries if, as some claim, they’re all savages. No one has yet to address my question on MbS. Discussion about Christian vs Christian? Nothing. The research data on American muslim attitudes? Nothing.
While I’m most definitely not a proponent of islam myself (despite what others may think) I remain averse to the WW2-era Japanese internment camp mentality. The Mossad brazenly state that deception is their standard MO yet many believe they’re our greatest ally. (USS Liberty comes to mind). There are those who believe all jews are horrific savages based on the Talmud, but I’m not about to condemn every jewish individual and call for their expulsion and closing of synagogues either. I believe it should all be open to reasoned, dispassionate discussion without censorship. I understand that things of this nature get emotionally charged especially during wartime. Maybe after “the storm” would be a better time to discuss matters like this.
I do appreciate your gentle urging and, as I stated, it’s been some time since I’ve waded into this morass. I’m not particularly “invested”, so to speak, in the topic, but may wade back in at some point in the future to take in whatever the current information is from all sides, all perspectives, but for now I’ve commented all I’m going to. As a closing remark let me just add that I have great hope for the future that so much of what we’ve been led to believe will be exposed as lies and that at least some of the truth will be laid bare before my time here on this earth is over. It’s going to take years if not decades for the truth to come out.
Thanks for the links. The first one, at least, is long… going to take a while to read through them. I found the following which may be of interest to those interested in the topic.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/07/26/terrorism-and-concerns-about-extremism/
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On a scan through this it seems pretty balanced.
https://fullerstudio.fuller.edu/making-sense-of-islams-relation-to-terror-and-violence/
https://shoebat.com/2011/07/02/what-to-expect-the-effect-of-muslim-population-growth-on-a-society/
Found that posted by /u/HenryBowman1984 as a comment to https://greatawakening.win/p/17rlw0uOy9/islam-phase-2/
A long excerpt: (Percentage numbers are from 2010 or earlier)
I mentioned to Luminosity ,, it’s really refreshing to read civil communication from anons who may not agree about a certain topic ! Thank you
Thanks! Yes, the quality of discourse here is exceptional.
Thank you to the Mods, and to all the frens we interact with here.
Thank you for providing this information. It’s quite interesting and I’ll definitely delve more into this in the future.
I also looked into the writer, Walid Shoebat, and from what I can tell, in addition to lambasting radical muslims, he also advocates for American muslims who aren’t radical. It seems that, despite his conversion from islam to Christianity, he does NOT feel that all muslims are savages. I’d be interested to hear what he has to say about this post’s topic of Dutch politician Wilder’s call to expel ALL muslims from his country and shutter their mosques.
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https://shoebat.com/shoebat-foundation/who-is-walid/
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Let me just ask again….
In the information you provided above, Mr. Shoebat states the following:
“… From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in: (Etc) …”
… why is it that there are over six thousand Christian churches in Iran?
Please see the links I provided in my first comment in this post (regarding Christianity in Iran). There are pie charts about the religious makeup of Iranians which show that muslims are well over the 60% threshold that Mr Shoebat claims turn them into genocidal maniacs (he himself claims Iran is 98% muslim as per the data you shared). He states:
“… After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in: (etc) …”
If what Mr Shoebat states is true, how can there be ANY Christian churches or jewish synagogues in predominantly muslim countries? I just picked Iran as an example, but look into others.
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https://www.jta.org/2021/03/05/global/peaceful-existence-jews-in-iran-freely-observe-their-religion-communal-leader-says
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Finally, if you have any inclination to read the fuller.edu link I provided in an above comment, I’d appreciate hearing your thoughts on it. I scanned it and at first glance it seems well-reasoned, will delve into it again.
So far as I know, there are SOME Christians in almost EVERY majority-Muslim country. Removing every single Christian is probably not a high priority once the overwhelming mass of the population is Muslim, and in the case of Iran, which (before the Shah's overthrow) had a vibrant Christian community and was far more Western and secular than most nations in the region, there may be unique reasons for not persecuting the Christians even more than they already quite clearly are. ("In 2023, the country was scored zero out of 4 for religious freedom."[65]
"In the same year, it was ranked as the 8th most difficult place in the world to be a Christian."[66])
Whether Iran is unique in their level of tolerance for a small Christian minority (~150,000 in a nation of 87+ million) or not, we can see the process that Shoebat describes taking place all over the world: as a Muslim minority grows, it becomes more violent (including gang-raping the local women; see Sweden and London as well-known examples) and works tirelessly convert the host nation to Islam.
I'll add that the majority of Muslims in many nations (perhaps not in all) seem to be decent, honest people and no threat to others. On the other hand, my father told me that the man he sat next to on a plane flying out of the Middle East was a pleasant, intelligent guy and a good conversationalist. As they got up to leave after landing, he told my dad "There is one thing I have to do before I die. I have to kill a Jew." (No, my family isn't Jewish)
And that's what you get from a religion that TELLS its people that non-believers must be converted or killed. Muslim violence against "infidels" is a real thing and it is built-in to Islam. That's not true of Christianity, Jainism, Hinduism, or Buddhism.
Yes, there remains a minority Christian community in Iran, which shrunk after the Shah's ouster but in recent years has rebounded. I agree with you that Iran -- as oppressive as it is to Christians and to the entire general population -- has at least not attempted to eradicate the relatively small number of Christians in the country.
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran#Freedom_of_religion -
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According to the main Wikipedia article on Iran, the population is over 87 million.
Again from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran#History --
Christianity remains the second-largest non-Muslim minority religion in the country.[26]
Thank you for responding (and I truly do appreciate the data-based discussion). You were responding as I was responding in another comment. In researching the wiki references, the first one you cited, for overall religious freedom, says that “recognized” Christian communities (not sure what that means) “are relatively free to worship”.
The second reference you cited, #66, sounds particularly interesting and worth looking into further as do some of the other referenced material.
I’m fading fast here, too tired to respond further tonight, Narg, but will delve into this further tomorrow night if I can find time.
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Reference #65:
“… Are individuals free to practice and express their religious faith or nonbelief in public and private? 0/4
Iran is home to a majority Shiite Muslim population and Sunni Muslim, Baha’i, Christian, and Zoroastrian minorities. The constitution recognizes only Zoroastrians, Jews, and certain Christian communities as non-Muslim religious minorities, and these small groups are relatively free to worship. The regime cracks down on Muslims who are deemed to be at variance with the state ideology and interpretation of Islam.
Sunni Muslims complain that they have been prevented from building mosques in major cities and face difficulty obtaining government jobs. In recent years, there has been increased pressure on the Sufi Muslim order Nematollahi Gonabadi, including destruction of its places of worship and the jailing of some of its members.
The government also subjects some non-Muslim minorities to repressive policies and discrimination, including Baha’is and unrecognized Christian groups. Baha’is are systematically persecuted, sentenced to prison, and banned from access to higher education. In May 2021, the Baha’i International Community reported on multiple raids of Baha’i homes, along with the detention of more than 20 people. Later that month, the Revolutionary Court of Borazjan issued prison sentences against six Baha’i; one defendant received an 11-year sentence for “propaganda activities against the regime” for discussing their faith, while the other five received 12-and-a-half-year sentences for “assisting in propaganda activities.” …”
Just wanted to say It’s refreshing to read respectful communication back and forth with you and some other anons who may not agree ,, thank you !
Links are to books. Not much help.
Thanks, Pepe, good reads. 👍
Yeah look he's probably controlled opposition and will go way overboard then anyone who criticizes the actual problem will be conflated with this
Id love to be wrong but that's my instinct right now
He is 100% zog israeshill just like the Argentinian. I wish we actually got someone that stood up for us and would speak truth about both sides.