EXCLUSIVE: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano Summoned to Vatican to be Excommunicated
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Catholicism is not Christianity, it is the culmination of Babylonian paganism which was scattered around at the Tower of Babel and reconvenied at Rome. The Ceasar turned into the Papacy and wrought centuries of hell on earth to anyone who believed differently than the "church"
Tell me when Jesus commanded us to chase people down with swords drawn to give them the Gospel? Or when he told us to bow to a man and kiss his ring? They parade the pope around exactly like a pharoah. Think about it,
OK, you're operating under a different definition of Christianity than what every Christian I know uses, which is basically this:
"The firmly held belief that the Creator of the Universe so loved the world that to save it from evil, He created via the intercession of the Holy Spirit (also God) a human Son (also God), Jesus of Nazareth, who was born of a virgin and sacrificed for the sins of all humankind; that whoever believes in Jesus as the Savior of the world shall not perish but shall have eternal life in Heaven."
That's the trinity-based, virgin birth-affirming definition of Christianity that we were taught for 12 years of Catholic school.
Enjoy picking it apart or criticizing it if you must. Just understand, I have less than zero interest in arguing with anyone raised in other disciplines about their various definitions of Christianity; so the above is just FYI. I don't even practice any organized religion anymore, as they are manmade money schemes founded on greed, control, and guilt. Faith and spirituality are from God; religion is an invention of (extremely flawed) human beings.
I just see it as God, and then everything else. I don't recall Jesus claiming to be God. He claimed to be accurately representing God's nature and character, that God was his father, and that he was on a mission from God and was determined to complete it.
I see it more like "big brother obeyed Father perfectly so he got to rule all the household and we must listen to him (hence why he is now called Lord of all creation)". He also made a way for us all to be reunited with our Father (God) despite our falling short of His requirements.
Furthermore I view the Holy Spirit as an extremity of God. Since God is holy, he chooses to interface with man via this extremity. It seems kinda simple to me. The splitting up into 3 persons part is quite confusing. It makes God seem like some sort of hydra, but we know that we were "created in the image and likeness of God" so show me a person who is actually 3 persons??
Regardless of where you stand it's worth looking into and pondering without dogmatic glasses on. So much of what we've been told has proven false.
edit- check into the myths of Horus, Isis and Osiris for further info
Heresy. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.
Well, refute something I said with the truth. Your comment adds little beyond "I disagree strongly"
kekekekeke downvote away! I don't care! You are wrong! Fight me!
I think Jesus was God in the flesh.
If He had come out and told people, "I am God," that would be a VERY different conversation than, "I am the son of God," because everyone else could claim the same thing.
God created Adam. But His people were not following his rules. So, he wiped out most of His people (not the entire world, but only a local area) via the flood, and left it up to Noah to repopulate because Noah was "perfect in his ancestry."
Later, His people were again not following The Law, so He sent Moses to make it more concrete.
Later still, they were still not doing what He wanted, so He made a special promise for Abraham, that his descendents would multiply across the world and spread the Word.
Again, His people were screwing up, so He came to Earth, in the flesh, to TEACH directly what He wanted His people to do, to set an example, to reveal more truth to again make it more clear, and also to die for their sins, so they would not have to die (as was the rule from the OT). He also clarified what sin is (1 John 3:4 -- Sin is the transgression of The Law), and forever removed death as the penalty for sin.
He gave a lot of information in His time on Earth, but most people (once again) have forgotten, never learned, or ignored.
Jesus never claimed to be God, true. But He did things that ONLY God could do, which (to me) makes it obvious that He was, and understandable why He would not come right out and say it.
This is explained by him being anointed by God. After that happened he got the power and authority to break or bend natural laws, hence the term "super-natural", or "above natural laws".
I think Jesus existed in Heaven with God long before he came to the earth, but I don't think he was God. I think he was clear in his relationship TO God, as he said he was God's son. Later on it was made more clear that he was God's FAITHFUL son, unlike Adam. I could be wrong and in the grand scheme of things I don't believe this is an ultra-important issue to debate and we should focus on what Jesus taught us, but I'm down to explore it more!
edit- I'll check out the work, thank you! As I said in my opening remark here I'm not 100% on this topic. I'm only relaying what I find more likely based on the passages I know.
First, I addressed most of these here: https://greatawakening.win/p/17tLAw7P7v/x/c/4ZCZxBYuFqV
Second, please explain these passages?
John 17:1-19
1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Prayer for the Disciples 6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
This.. It's right in your face blatant with the ring kissing so people can practice their critical thinking skill and realize it's wrong and know Jesus wouldn't like any of that rituals that worship man and blinded us from the truth.
Cool! Source?
https://ia801302.us.archive.org/20/items/KeyToTheApocalypseOrTheSevenInterpretationsOfSymbolicProphecy/KeyToTheApocalypseOrTheSevenInterpretationsOfSymbolicProphecyByHenryGrattanGuinness.pdf
If you want to skip ahead go to pages 49 - 64 (not the pdf page # but the book pages, its a bit jumbled up)
It was common knowledge up until around 1900s sometime... I wonder why we all don't know these things today....
Oh believe me I've heard this one before. In chick tracts.
Yet another private interpretation of extremely symbolic scripture that people accept as fact. I guess 2 Peter 1:20 doesn't apply anymore
Oh come now Rome fits the prophecies like a glove. Which aspects don't fit? Do you know the meanings of the prophecies then?
It's funny you target me and the author of this book with 2 Pt. 1:20. If you continue the verse, it reads:
Now tell me what I have to gain in telling you these things? It isn't me who's been making a profit off you with bad eschatology - it's TBN, "Israel", mega-pastors and the like.
Ask yourself who all has been saying the things I say and been successful in this world. You will notice a pattern.
"You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophecy of you, when he said: 'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'"
This pretty much sums up the leaders of the false religions in the world. Catholicism is doing exactly what the jews in Jesus' day did in setting aside God's word for their own so-called traditions and rules, which by the way reflect the contemporary thinkings of the time. Hence, why the Catholic Church persecuted people like Martin Luther for pointing out corruption in the Church and even executed people like William Tyndale for the crime of translating the Bible. This is reflected now with the Church pushing the globohomo agenda, being no different really that the so-called progressive churches we see now.
I wish I could quote this a thousand times, or one for each year of darkness that whore of a church wrought on the world, however many years that would be! And it still wouldn't be enough as I'm sure there are many more horrors which have gone undocumented!
Don't put luther on a pedestal, he spoke to demons.
Also coming from a longtime lutheran
I'm not, but he was right in his protest. There are tons of people who get things right but also get other things extremely wrong.
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Catholics probably hate me on here, rarely do they engage, just downvote and move on yes? Smh
Let's go! Fight me!
I believe he got rid of satan by throwing an inkwell at him.
In what context did Luther speak to demons? I'm not disagreeing, I'm genuinely curious.
Edit: Downvoted for literally just asking a question lol