Obamacare needs to go. It resulted in crappier medical care, which is more expensive and has higher deductibles. Medical, Pharmaceutical and Insurance industries are all about profits.
I dropped my insurance 7 years ago because of it. I spent 5 days in the hospital 2 years ago and they just had a charity pay the bill. I could have paid for it, but they never even asked me to do so.
I understand you are happy he found a solution that helped you, meanwhile others are being buried. Including us. Maybe instead you should be looking at how much money pharmaceutical companies make off of the medication you are taking... chances are, since it solves such a big problem for you, there is more profit in it. It probably costs 50 cents to make, however supply and demand. They have it, you want to feel better. There are other ways to get the costs down without destroying everyone else.. I get it. You want to feel better. But I don't think Obamacare is the answer.
I cured my UC with the carnivore diet. What you fail to realize is that you've unintentionally become dependent on a medical system that is designed to make life-long patients.
Without insurance my medication is $1,200 a month the last time I checked
It cost that much BECAUSE of Obamacare.
Obamacare caused MASSIVE inflation with everything healthcare related.
IF removed, your prices would initially go up. But now that the companies are forced to compete since people are not forced to join them, prices will come down.
Also, have you looked into importing a generic version of your medication?
With that, have you looked into Vitamin B1 therapy for your IBS? There is a lot of research out there on how Vitamin E and a special derivative of Vitamin B1 called TTFD have cured people's IBS.
That is crazy they want 1200 a month for those drugs, i am hoping things change in the future and everyone can benefit. The drug company's are run by psychopaths.
Also try looking into doing some short fasts to help your gut problems or do some intermittent fasting.
My help a little and is free :)
May not solve everything but its been helping my health problems along with eating a lot better.
The goal s/b to help those who need medical assistance without making others suffer thru unacceptably high costs, and subpar medical treatment and lost of choice in doctors.
Well the problem that I ran into is that absolutely nothing was being done before Obamacare. And you guys want to sit there and say that our medical system was this shining glorious thing and it really wasn't. You still had to pay $200 to see the fucking doctor. You still had private insurance companies telling you what treatments you could and couldn't get and looking for every excuse they could to just take your money and not pay. My memory isn't that short. I remember what it was like before Obamacare. Obamacare made it possible for people under 18 to see the doctor without bankrupting their parents. It made it possible for me to see the doctor and get treated when I was shitting blood every 10 to 15 minutes and I couldn't even leave the house. Talk all the shit you want about it but Obamacare I would say is probably the only reason I'm even alive today. The alternative would have been to go to a gastroenterologist, get the prescription, get the colonoscopy, and pay for my meds all completely out of pocket because private insurance wanted $1,000 a month and they would only cover two doctors visits a year and only partially, and I would have had to fight them to get my medication even covered halfway. I wouldn't have been able to afford it and eventually I would have gone on disability because of it. So yes overall for my perspective it was a good thing. Sorry if you guys hate the idea that a society should take care of its elderly and sick so they don't wind up on the street or die.
I mean beyond that, it's my personal belief that hospitals should be considered public infrastructure because this private for-profit medical system is a bloated monstrosity that's making us all sick. The entire insurance industry ought to be abolished or neutered.
My memory isn’t short. I, while on Tricare, had better doctors, didn’t pay crap to see a doctor, and didn’t pay any premiums. Now I pay premiums (on EFFING TRICARE), get tossed to Doctors who I wonder how they got their damn license to practice and pay a high deductible every year BEFORE I don’t have to pay. So I’m quite aware of what Obamacrap did to me and my family (daughters all had insurance go sky high with ridiculous unaffordable deductibles.). So don’t assume I have no idea what a crap deal that was for me and mine. It doesn’t work for the majority of people and therefore something else needs to be done.
I mean beyond that, it's my personal belief that hospitals should be considered public infrastructure because this private for-profit medical system is a bloated monstrosity that's making us all sick.
I have friends who live in Canada.
You do not want the system that you think you want.
I somewhat agree with you, and have empathy. My mom has UC and it sucks. Especially now that she is in a nursing home with dementia.
Here is something most people don't think about though. Obamacare is a huge reason why costs go up for treatments and meds. Just like Pell Grants and student loans for college. If the government subsidizes something, the places that provide the service or make the product will always raise their prices because the govt will continue to pay - forcing the US taxpayer to cover their overspending.
I agree the insurance industry should be abolished, but big pharma needs reigned in immediately.
"It made it possible for me to see the doctor and get treated when I was shitting blood every 10 to 15 minutes and I couldn't even leave the house."
With a screen name like "Gay4Jesus" there's probably a more chronic behavioral source of your colonic problems that socialized medicine and its bastard stepchild, Obamacare, can't cure.
There may be some non-pharmakeical solutions to ulcerative colitis. I’ve seen some things that I forwarded to a friend of mine with it before, though you have a more severe sounding case. Will see if I can dig them back up, though you will still need to do your own research and take accountability for your own outcomes.
I believe it can come down to what’s causing it rather than treating the symptoms, and suggest looking into terrain theory detoxing and natureopathy.
I am glad someone benefitted from it. I know quite a few people who got royally screwed by it, including myself and multiple friends and family members. Our medical system had issues before, and has issues now, but we can’t look at things through lenses of “this thing doesn’t fix my problem, therefore bad” or “this thing fixes my problem, therefore justified”, but all things have to be seen through first principles.
Wait, did you just say "unelected bureaucrats don’t get to make unilateral decisions about Americans’ healthcare" because that sounds like what happened with the masks, jabs, lockdowns. 🤔
How about reimbursing all the ppl who were unfairly charged for NOT getting that shit insurance before Trump stopped that part of the deal Aaaaand how about returning all the forced IRS charge back fee to those who got the insurance but later didnt cancel or notify Obummercare before you know You're getting a bonus and you have to pay the bonus and the entire Obummer care premium back for that entire year!!! It happened to me. So I am sure there are many more ppl that were stabbed and bled from this atrocious money grab designed by Obummer and the IRS
Actually, I purchased the most basic level insurance it's like 20 dollars a month from work. Now, dental is different. I need a lot of it so $50+.
Basic because I know how to treat myself. Only time I need help would be major incident and then there's nothing I can do. I don't even want to walk into their death facilities any way.
Here in the south, I don't need to worry about Obummer care.
We had GREAT health care and insurance before Obamacare. The Deductibles went through the roof, and the cost of the insurance tripled within a year of Obamacare. We did not have Co-pays to see Doctors; now, co-pays for doctors are $75. And Phamcey's costs went through the roof. We now have a GoodRx card and will check on the price before we pay the Co-Pay. I can buy from GoodRx many times chapter than paying the Co-pays.
I heard Trump has an EO that will take away their properties if found treasonous. That's why all those movie stars and Epstein list have been saying they will leave.
This made me think of Chevron Deference as well--a prelude perhaps?
Basically the same principle--with the Chevron Deference, departments in the executive branch basically get any powers not explicitly denied to them by their authorizing acts or the Constitution (ideally anyway). Without Chevron Deference though, they only get the powers explicitly given to them by Congress.
Exactly. I'm surprised with just how many people still have no idea what overturning the Chevron Deference will do to the deep state, the government, and what it will do for everyone else.
THE STATE should come up with insurance for the vulnerable, like Children, pregnant women, and others who cannot afford insurance. We have Georgia Families® Medicaid and PeachCare for Kids®. We do not need a boondoggle-bloated Federal Socialized healthcare system.
Like widows and orphans? I’m quite open to a tentpole model.
Basically, there would be a non-mandatory open government registry and comment forum for charities and needs to be broadcast, where they could both be seen and reviewed, and everything else is determined between the people and the charity and beneficiaries.
Where there are gaps, people can raise their hands. Where there are issues, the same. Corruptions would have guidance available to file for investigations.
Just a thought. I’m reluctant toward direct or mandatory involvement, but open to assistance in helping getting things published and organized.
That means they owe me 2100 dollars for the fines they charged me for their own data being wrong for "2 months 1 day" and "well you called to cancel, you have employer insurance now, but we didn't record the latter so you owe us anyway". They also owe me all payments due to HC under their "mandate" through illegitimate enforcement. I kept the paperwork in case this day ever came, though it may still not, but one can hope.
Gen Z has no idea what it was like before Obamacare and the welfare crowd doesn’t care. I pay quadruple what I did 20 years ago and it burns my ass daily. I barely even go to the dr.
Osamacare's premise was a good one - the uninsured get access to healthcare. Like all gov't mandates though, it fell apart when it met the marketplace. 'Forcing' people to subsidize care options for the rest of a given group is ineffective in the long run. (ex: mandatory charge for birth control options for men, or post-menopausal women.) If you want to reduce costs, and make health care more affordable, there's a simple solution, that takes gov't completely out of the equation. Or, mostly out of the equation.
Health care decision are between a doctor and a patient. Period. Not a doctor and a HMO office. Not a doctor and an insurance company. Not a doctor and a bureaucrat. Go back to the era insurance companies offered a 'buffet' of options to group health plans, with associated cost. Patient choose what they want/need at the buffet.
The arguement will then be made this is ripe for corruption. There's some truth to that. But how is it different from osamacare? Unlimited one-size-fits-all medical insurance is a recipe for fraud. How? The more mandatory insurance a company has, the more the employees (and their families) end up using. A broken leg is a broken leg. With osamacare, a stabbed finger chopping onions in the kitchen goes from washing your hands and a bandaid, to a trip to the ER. After all, why not? It's just 'the company's money', right?
So, you eliminate osamacare. Insurance is one again private. Decisions are once again between doctor and patient. How do you reduce/eliminate insurance fraud? Mandatory 20 year sentence for insurance fraud. A doctor that orders testing to cover his ass because his malpractice attorney said he should is one thing. Hauling homeless off the street for unnecessary x-rays and perscriptions is something else entirely.
The issue of the uninsured will always be there. To that I say, too damn bad. You want a nanny state for health care? Look no further than Canada. Their rich and citizens-of-means come to the US for care. Not becuase it's necessarily better, but because they're rich, and don't have to wait in line for 16 months to see a cancer specialist. Reducing the business costs of insurance means smaller companies that do not have plans may decide it's once again an affordable option. That means more potential options for people that otherwise wouldn't have it.
Only because this isn't insurance. It's prepayment for yourself and one other person.
Health insurance would be like car insurance. If something major happened, you'd be covered. But you need to do all the day to day shit yourself, like basic doctor visits and prescriptions.
You can bet prescription prices would drop if they had to convince people to spend $5,000 a month instead of convincing the government to pay for the "bargain" of $3,000 a month per patient.
I have dealt with nanny state of homelessness and I know how entitled they are. Woman in her mid 30 had 9 kids and housed in some of the churches. She even trashed the church for looking down on her when her kids were physically trashing the church and I stepped in and said the rules are clear, no food in the rooms except kitchen.
Oh mine, you should have seen the entitlement. She was trying to beat me up while pregnant. I started to film and they said it's not legal. Yes, you will forever have the poor but no one should be subsidizing everyone else. That's communist.
And, of course, Justice Roberts should have sent the entire bill back to Congress. Instead he changed the penalty to a tax and made it law. NOT his JOB. This still gets me angry.
Not so much stupid as maybe wanting him to get a chance, and he really messed his chance up. I believe his second term was fixed and we were getting him whether we wanted him or not. And now, a third term-he may be running things for Biden, as we speak.
Obamacare needs to go. It resulted in crappier medical care, which is more expensive and has higher deductibles. Medical, Pharmaceutical and Insurance industries are all about profits.
Obama is such an evil pos. He is the worse.
RINOs working against their own campaign promises to keep it are worse.
Oh yeah. Those need to go also.
I dropped my insurance 7 years ago because of it. I spent 5 days in the hospital 2 years ago and they just had a charity pay the bill. I could have paid for it, but they never even asked me to do so.
I understand you are happy he found a solution that helped you, meanwhile others are being buried. Including us. Maybe instead you should be looking at how much money pharmaceutical companies make off of the medication you are taking... chances are, since it solves such a big problem for you, there is more profit in it. It probably costs 50 cents to make, however supply and demand. They have it, you want to feel better. There are other ways to get the costs down without destroying everyone else.. I get it. You want to feel better. But I don't think Obamacare is the answer.
I cured my UC with the carnivore diet. What you fail to realize is that you've unintentionally become dependent on a medical system that is designed to make life-long patients.
It cost that much BECAUSE of Obamacare.
Obamacare caused MASSIVE inflation with everything healthcare related.
IF removed, your prices would initially go up. But now that the companies are forced to compete since people are not forced to join them, prices will come down.
Also, have you looked into importing a generic version of your medication?
With that, have you looked into Vitamin B1 therapy for your IBS? There is a lot of research out there on how Vitamin E and a special derivative of Vitamin B1 called TTFD have cured people's IBS.
That is crazy they want 1200 a month for those drugs, i am hoping things change in the future and everyone can benefit. The drug company's are run by psychopaths.
Also try looking into doing some short fasts to help your gut problems or do some intermittent fasting. My help a little and is free :)
May not solve everything but its been helping my health problems along with eating a lot better.
The goal s/b to help those who need medical assistance without making others suffer thru unacceptably high costs, and subpar medical treatment and lost of choice in doctors.
Well the problem that I ran into is that absolutely nothing was being done before Obamacare. And you guys want to sit there and say that our medical system was this shining glorious thing and it really wasn't. You still had to pay $200 to see the fucking doctor. You still had private insurance companies telling you what treatments you could and couldn't get and looking for every excuse they could to just take your money and not pay. My memory isn't that short. I remember what it was like before Obamacare. Obamacare made it possible for people under 18 to see the doctor without bankrupting their parents. It made it possible for me to see the doctor and get treated when I was shitting blood every 10 to 15 minutes and I couldn't even leave the house. Talk all the shit you want about it but Obamacare I would say is probably the only reason I'm even alive today. The alternative would have been to go to a gastroenterologist, get the prescription, get the colonoscopy, and pay for my meds all completely out of pocket because private insurance wanted $1,000 a month and they would only cover two doctors visits a year and only partially, and I would have had to fight them to get my medication even covered halfway. I wouldn't have been able to afford it and eventually I would have gone on disability because of it. So yes overall for my perspective it was a good thing. Sorry if you guys hate the idea that a society should take care of its elderly and sick so they don't wind up on the street or die.
I mean beyond that, it's my personal belief that hospitals should be considered public infrastructure because this private for-profit medical system is a bloated monstrosity that's making us all sick. The entire insurance industry ought to be abolished or neutered.
My memory isn’t short. I, while on Tricare, had better doctors, didn’t pay crap to see a doctor, and didn’t pay any premiums. Now I pay premiums (on EFFING TRICARE), get tossed to Doctors who I wonder how they got their damn license to practice and pay a high deductible every year BEFORE I don’t have to pay. So I’m quite aware of what Obamacrap did to me and my family (daughters all had insurance go sky high with ridiculous unaffordable deductibles.). So don’t assume I have no idea what a crap deal that was for me and mine. It doesn’t work for the majority of people and therefore something else needs to be done.
I have friends who live in Canada.
You do not want the system that you think you want.
I somewhat agree with you, and have empathy. My mom has UC and it sucks. Especially now that she is in a nursing home with dementia.
Here is something most people don't think about though. Obamacare is a huge reason why costs go up for treatments and meds. Just like Pell Grants and student loans for college. If the government subsidizes something, the places that provide the service or make the product will always raise their prices because the govt will continue to pay - forcing the US taxpayer to cover their overspending.
I agree the insurance industry should be abolished, but big pharma needs reigned in immediately.
There are a lot of ancaps out there who used to argue that insurance was a great solution for a lot of market issues.
Not mandatory insurance, obviously. Not sure if they still think those theories are a good idea, but it was interesting to chew on.
But yeah pharma can get bent.
"It made it possible for me to see the doctor and get treated when I was shitting blood every 10 to 15 minutes and I couldn't even leave the house."
With a screen name like "Gay4Jesus" there's probably a more chronic behavioral source of your colonic problems that socialized medicine and its bastard stepchild, Obamacare, can't cure.
There may be some non-pharmakeical solutions to ulcerative colitis. I’ve seen some things that I forwarded to a friend of mine with it before, though you have a more severe sounding case. Will see if I can dig them back up, though you will still need to do your own research and take accountability for your own outcomes.
I believe it can come down to what’s causing it rather than treating the symptoms, and suggest looking into terrain theory detoxing and natureopathy.
I am glad someone benefitted from it. I know quite a few people who got royally screwed by it, including myself and multiple friends and family members. Our medical system had issues before, and has issues now, but we can’t look at things through lenses of “this thing doesn’t fix my problem, therefore bad” or “this thing fixes my problem, therefore justified”, but all things have to be seen through first principles.
And while we all got this CRAP shoved down our throat...Congress exempts themself out of it.......
Yes. Same as the vaccine.
Wait, did you just say "unelected bureaucrats don’t get to make unilateral decisions about Americans’ healthcare" because that sounds like what happened with the masks, jabs, lockdowns. 🤔
Been doing that for ages.
How about reimbursing all the ppl who were unfairly charged for NOT getting that shit insurance before Trump stopped that part of the deal Aaaaand how about returning all the forced IRS charge back fee to those who got the insurance but later didnt cancel or notify Obummercare before you know You're getting a bonus and you have to pay the bonus and the entire Obummer care premium back for that entire year!!! It happened to me. So I am sure there are many more ppl that were stabbed and bled from this atrocious money grab designed by Obummer and the IRS
I would be getting a refund in this case.
The damage is done. We need to repeal Obama Care but we are still stuck with the cost and service level.
Actually, I purchased the most basic level insurance it's like 20 dollars a month from work. Now, dental is different. I need a lot of it so $50+.
Basic because I know how to treat myself. Only time I need help would be major incident and then there's nothing I can do. I don't even want to walk into their death facilities any way.
Here in the south, I don't need to worry about Obummer care.
We had GREAT health care and insurance before Obamacare. The Deductibles went through the roof, and the cost of the insurance tripled within a year of Obamacare. We did not have Co-pays to see Doctors; now, co-pays for doctors are $75. And Phamcey's costs went through the roof. We now have a GoodRx card and will check on the price before we pay the Co-Pay. I can buy from GoodRx many times chapter than paying the Co-pays.
Before Obamacare, I used to just buy dental and no health insurance because most of the time, I know how to fix me with herbs. Obamacare was shit.
Too late he and Mike bought the sea side mansion. Good enough for government work I guess.
I heard Trump has an EO that will take away their properties if found treasonous. That's why all those movie stars and Epstein list have been saying they will leave.
Chevron Deference decision should be out this week. Assuming they rule correctly, we will be seeing this in a bunch of other cases.
This made me think of Chevron Deference as well--a prelude perhaps?
Basically the same principle--with the Chevron Deference, departments in the executive branch basically get any powers not explicitly denied to them by their authorizing acts or the Constitution (ideally anyway). Without Chevron Deference though, they only get the powers explicitly given to them by Congress.
Exactly. I'm surprised with just how many people still have no idea what overturning the Chevron Deference will do to the deep state, the government, and what it will do for everyone else.
They have been doing that a lot.
THE STATE should come up with insurance for the vulnerable, like Children, pregnant women, and others who cannot afford insurance. We have Georgia Families® Medicaid and PeachCare for Kids®. We do not need a boondoggle-bloated Federal Socialized healthcare system.
Like widows and orphans? I’m quite open to a tentpole model.
Basically, there would be a non-mandatory open government registry and comment forum for charities and needs to be broadcast, where they could both be seen and reviewed, and everything else is determined between the people and the charity and beneficiaries.
Where there are gaps, people can raise their hands. Where there are issues, the same. Corruptions would have guidance available to file for investigations.
Just a thought. I’m reluctant toward direct or mandatory involvement, but open to assistance in helping getting things published and organized.
Actually a good idea. State run.
That means they owe me 2100 dollars for the fines they charged me for their own data being wrong for "2 months 1 day" and "well you called to cancel, you have employer insurance now, but we didn't record the latter so you owe us anyway". They also owe me all payments due to HC under their "mandate" through illegitimate enforcement. I kept the paperwork in case this day ever came, though it may still not, but one can hope.
Oh mine. They are just money hungry.
Gen Z has no idea what it was like before Obamacare and the welfare crowd doesn’t care. I pay quadruple what I did 20 years ago and it burns my ass daily. I barely even go to the dr.
No. They do not
Thank you. Hey, are you happy about the winning? I am.
Oh me three.
all health insurance needs to go and the bullshit upsell on everything in medicine needs to be put to an end.
I agree. Health insurance is death insurance and we need a very comprehensive. I would love to see people do something for themselves.
Osamacare's premise was a good one - the uninsured get access to healthcare. Like all gov't mandates though, it fell apart when it met the marketplace. 'Forcing' people to subsidize care options for the rest of a given group is ineffective in the long run. (ex: mandatory charge for birth control options for men, or post-menopausal women.) If you want to reduce costs, and make health care more affordable, there's a simple solution, that takes gov't completely out of the equation. Or, mostly out of the equation.
Health care decision are between a doctor and a patient. Period. Not a doctor and a HMO office. Not a doctor and an insurance company. Not a doctor and a bureaucrat. Go back to the era insurance companies offered a 'buffet' of options to group health plans, with associated cost. Patient choose what they want/need at the buffet. The arguement will then be made this is ripe for corruption. There's some truth to that. But how is it different from osamacare? Unlimited one-size-fits-all medical insurance is a recipe for fraud. How? The more mandatory insurance a company has, the more the employees (and their families) end up using. A broken leg is a broken leg. With osamacare, a stabbed finger chopping onions in the kitchen goes from washing your hands and a bandaid, to a trip to the ER. After all, why not? It's just 'the company's money', right?
So, you eliminate osamacare. Insurance is one again private. Decisions are once again between doctor and patient. How do you reduce/eliminate insurance fraud? Mandatory 20 year sentence for insurance fraud. A doctor that orders testing to cover his ass because his malpractice attorney said he should is one thing. Hauling homeless off the street for unnecessary x-rays and perscriptions is something else entirely.
The issue of the uninsured will always be there. To that I say, too damn bad. You want a nanny state for health care? Look no further than Canada. Their rich and citizens-of-means come to the US for care. Not becuase it's necessarily better, but because they're rich, and don't have to wait in line for 16 months to see a cancer specialist. Reducing the business costs of insurance means smaller companies that do not have plans may decide it's once again an affordable option. That means more potential options for people that otherwise wouldn't have it.
Insurance itself is inherently a large part of the problem in all aspects of life.
Only because this isn't insurance. It's prepayment for yourself and one other person.
Health insurance would be like car insurance. If something major happened, you'd be covered. But you need to do all the day to day shit yourself, like basic doctor visits and prescriptions.
You can bet prescription prices would drop if they had to convince people to spend $5,000 a month instead of convincing the government to pay for the "bargain" of $3,000 a month per patient.
I have dealt with nanny state of homelessness and I know how entitled they are. Woman in her mid 30 had 9 kids and housed in some of the churches. She even trashed the church for looking down on her when her kids were physically trashing the church and I stepped in and said the rules are clear, no food in the rooms except kitchen.
Oh mine, you should have seen the entitlement. She was trying to beat me up while pregnant. I started to film and they said it's not legal. Yes, you will forever have the poor but no one should be subsidizing everyone else. That's communist.
I go to holistic doctor and I pay cash.
And, of course, Justice Roberts should have sent the entire bill back to Congress. Instead he changed the penalty to a tax and made it law. NOT his JOB. This still gets me angry.
I was so stupid to vote for him first term.
Not so much stupid as maybe wanting him to get a chance, and he really messed his chance up. I believe his second term was fixed and we were getting him whether we wanted him or not. And now, a third term-he may be running things for Biden, as we speak.
I think he was DS thru and thru but I did not see the DS at the time.