I've done classic debate in high school, and my career demanded the ability to make technical presentations and field hardball questions, so my standard is fairly high. I did not think this was a particularly stellar debate. Trump was on his toes and hit hard punches, although not necessarily on the specific topic under discussion. My perfectionist tendencies get annoyed with that, but Trump is a street fighter who picks his punches and I cannot gainsay him. He was watching Biden like a hawk, and didn't mind if his face projected deadly intent and disdain for the proceedings. As for Biden, I was actually surprised that he was able to hold it together as long as he did. But in his case, it was mostly platitude salad and mythical gaslighting. I couldn't tell if he believed his own gaslighting, or just didn't care what he threw out. His tendency to waver on target got more pronounced toward the end. On the whole, balancing style and content, I think Trump was more effective at punching, but that there was poor engagement with the debate questions. (Biden very conspicuously was losing his cool toward the end.)
What really surprised me was the reaction of the CNN panel at the end, a chorus of "O woe is us." Seasoned veteran Biden loyalists like Van Jones and David Axelrod declared it a disaster, and floated the idea that "Now is the time for Biden to consider stepping aside," because he was so clearly past his shelf life. One observer said basically, "Who is this Joe Biden? We were told he was going to save the world, and he is just miserable. Somebody in the Democrat Party has been lying to us and needs to be held to account." The general sentiment was that there was no way that Biden could pull a victory out of this header. Watching this dismayed reaction, commiseration, and self-deluded myth-making was more engrossing than the debate.
I don't think any of this was scripted. That's just a fantasy. Biden was carefully executing his talking points, so maybe you could say he was "scripted," but that is not the point. He was just continuing the "narrative." Trump was clearly operating as an impromptu speaker, exploiting the turn of events and the terrain. The panel at the end was a shocker, because I would not have expected such candor to be expressed to a national audience. They were oblivious to the fact they had an audience, and were all wrapped up in a group autopsy. I would have expected seasoned operatives, such as they were, to be more circumspect and elliptical in anything said publicly, if they had such deep-reaching misgivings. How does it help the Democrat cause to show the nation all the doubts and flaws? I've never seen the like.
Maybe Biden was just the copper penny in the fusebox.
This was planned, and JB’s failure was seen. The Dems are lock step now on wanting JB out. Thst didn’t just happen 5 minutes after the debate. That was planned. The Dems want to replace him with Newsom, or Clinton. They have someone in mind waiting in the wings. Now it’s just matter of how and when.
Wouldn’t it be nice if Trump wins by a landslide, the Dems call foul because they weren’t able to remove Biden, and a massive audit exposes and cleans up all the real fraud that’s been going on for decades, back to Tammany Hall or almost certainly even before that, and delivers ways for the people to detect and actively participate in monitoring and resolving our own issues in every election moving forward, while providing processes and tools for us to do so with?
The Demoncrats and RINOS have a plan and everybody knows that here; I don’t think they are worried about JB, these demons know that he can steal this election like they have done it in the past. Remember is not elections it is selections.
I agree that President Trump wasn’t as precise in his refuting biden’s accusations. I was thinking of my Mom watching who doesn’t like DJT and the impact that could have on her and people like her who will never do the research. However we know the Dems want joe gone and it sounds like the narrative has started.
GGRockz agree! He had a fine line to walk “debating” a mentally disabled person. If JB was in his right mind, Trump would’ve been classic fighting Trump and rolled him. His base knows all Trump has done for this Country. I found it “touching” that Trump knows that and was kind of depending on that last night. I believe Trump knows this would expose JB as a horror of a “leader” and not want the Dems afterward to be able to say Trump was “unkind and flustered the poor man”!
This is exactly what bothered me, too. Trump’s performance was great… for anyone who already knows and loves him. Not so much for those who despise him based on fake media outrage.
Trump had several great opportunities to clear up much of the disinformation people have about him.
He seized some of these opportunities, such as the lie that Trump called soldiers “suckers and losers”, by appealing to logic and reason (“how does that even make sense, and where is the corroborating evidence?”).
Federally banning birth control pills was tackled head on as a state’s rights issue that is being handled by the courts, and Trump has made no such move to ban Federally.
But in too many other instances, Biden tee’d Trump up to refute media disinformation with similar appeals to logic and facts, and Trump whisked past them as though his audience already knew the details.
“Good people on both sides” wasn’t explained as the unifying statement it was meant to be, appealing to the fact that there were ordinary citizens protesting both in favor of and against a statue.
His immigration plan wasn’t explained as respecting the legal process and protecting controlled, legal immigration while getting rid of the criminals and gangs.
His economic policies weren’t explained for empowering normal citizens the way we know they do. Economically, most of the focus was on how poor things are under Biden, not how much better they were under Trump.
He conducted himself well, rarely appeared too aggressive, and presented himself as a leader. But he didn’t do enough to speak to the people who only know him via CNN banter.
Frankly, he does a better job speaking to outsiders at his rallies, taking more time to show himself as the funny, kind, enigmatic, and prescient leader he is. This was his opportunity to show the country this side of him, and instead we saw… a guy that seems Presidential and better than Biden.
Which is… fine. But I want the country to realize that Trump isn’t just a tolerable leader, or a lesser of two evils. I want them to realize he’s a great leader, and exactly what we need. This was his last chance to do that pre-election, and it didn’t land that way.
I disagree. Trump brought his "resting tolerant face" and was the adult in the room. His opponent was angry and was probably being prompted to be that way, but his anger LOOKS evil; he can't help it.
Whatever drugs they gave him will have repercussions. Remember the SOTU and his extra flubs afterward? It's cruel to treat anyone that way. I think the drugs are accelerating his dementia and it should be obvious to all.
He seized some of these opportunities, such as the lie that Trump called soldiers “suckers and losers”
Now that the "suckers and losers" lie has been fully exposed to the public, I plan on referring to libtards as suckers & losers routinely, when they repeat lying MSM propaganda.
If Trump would have spent the entire time defending himself against media lies, it would not have been a win for Trump. This debate was about showing how lost Biden is.
Or Biden is not the man in charge, he is getting his marching orders from someone behind the scenes (like Obama, or some other dedicated Dem/Commie). and the Dems/Commies love this set up. I say Obama because he mentioned loving to be able to do this in the past; run things from behind the scenes.
Biden was himself that all Dems refused to believe he was, but they all saw it.
Oh, I agree that Biden is not in charge--as in leading the show. One could say he is "in the charge"--of his wife, Jill. My joke is that he should change his middle name from Robinette to "marionette." This creates the unsettling situation of SOMEONE ELSE exercising presidential authority than the one elected to be President. What happens to governance if THAT person is unpredictably struck by lightning?
Biden is the visible point of the spear that is subverting our constitutional form of government.
The interesting question is how are they glued together? What is the motivation that drives their coordination and teamwork? And loyalty. It could be fatal if anyone broke ranks and revealed the plot.
He is dumb, but his ideology fits the Dems/Commies views and that is all they care about. So, I'm not sure who is pulling the strings, could be Obama or someone else.
The panel reaction looked raw, but I believe it was rather expected. It's quite clear "the stage was set" to hand this debate to Trump. It looks like Biden didn't get his performance drug cocktail to mask his senility. This is the earliest a presidential debate has taken place in an election cycle, initiated by the Biden campaign. Why would they do that? It was a setup.
The moderators were the most impartial I've ever seen, especially coming from a libtard network like CNN. That could only have been by design.
The only reason we saw that panel's "honest" reaction was because it was planned that way. The dems have been covering for Biden this whole time, and suddenly they "woke up" after one event? Not!
I cannot believe what I witnessed last night, however it was also exactly what I expected. They set Biden up to fail, early enough in the cycle to swap with him with another candidate for whom they could pull off another stolen presidential victory. At least that is the plan, I believe.
I don't agree with your premise that Biden was sent forth without chemical assistance. He managed to keep himself together remarkably well. I've been in those shoes onstage and it is not an easy thing to do. Nor do I think that his wife would have permitted him to appear without it. So, prove it if you can.
It is an old wise saying that simple incompetence and bad luck are sufficient to explain many instances of pratfall disaster. The Dems are well down the road on self-imposed delusions about where they are in life and what the truth is. Isn't it fair to say that this was bound to happen eventually? And so it did, in a very public way.
There is too much eagerness to surmise this is all "according to plan." I have never seen much forethought in Democrat policies and maneuvers. They are all last minute and short-sighted. I prefer to think they are honestly in a pickle they had been denying for years now. Panic for them is good for us. Why not be optimistic, instead of granting them powers of connivance not in evidence?
I've done classic debate in high school, and my career demanded the ability to make technical presentations and field hardball questions, so my standard is fairly high. I did not think this was a particularly stellar debate. Trump was on his toes and hit hard punches, although not necessarily on the specific topic under discussion. My perfectionist tendencies get annoyed with that, but Trump is a street fighter who picks his punches and I cannot gainsay him. He was watching Biden like a hawk, and didn't mind if his face projected deadly intent and disdain for the proceedings. As for Biden, I was actually surprised that he was able to hold it together as long as he did. But in his case, it was mostly platitude salad and mythical gaslighting. I couldn't tell if he believed his own gaslighting, or just didn't care what he threw out. His tendency to waver on target got more pronounced toward the end. On the whole, balancing style and content, I think Trump was more effective at punching, but that there was poor engagement with the debate questions. (Biden very conspicuously was losing his cool toward the end.)
What really surprised me was the reaction of the CNN panel at the end, a chorus of "O woe is us." Seasoned veteran Biden loyalists like Van Jones and David Axelrod declared it a disaster, and floated the idea that "Now is the time for Biden to consider stepping aside," because he was so clearly past his shelf life. One observer said basically, "Who is this Joe Biden? We were told he was going to save the world, and he is just miserable. Somebody in the Democrat Party has been lying to us and needs to be held to account." The general sentiment was that there was no way that Biden could pull a victory out of this header. Watching this dismayed reaction, commiseration, and self-deluded myth-making was more engrossing than the debate.
I don't think any of this was scripted. That's just a fantasy. Biden was carefully executing his talking points, so maybe you could say he was "scripted," but that is not the point. He was just continuing the "narrative." Trump was clearly operating as an impromptu speaker, exploiting the turn of events and the terrain. The panel at the end was a shocker, because I would not have expected such candor to be expressed to a national audience. They were oblivious to the fact they had an audience, and were all wrapped up in a group autopsy. I would have expected seasoned operatives, such as they were, to be more circumspect and elliptical in anything said publicly, if they had such deep-reaching misgivings. How does it help the Democrat cause to show the nation all the doubts and flaws? I've never seen the like.
Maybe Biden was just the copper penny in the fusebox.
This was planned, and JB’s failure was seen. The Dems are lock step now on wanting JB out. Thst didn’t just happen 5 minutes after the debate. That was planned. The Dems want to replace him with Newsom, or Clinton. They have someone in mind waiting in the wings. Now it’s just matter of how and when.
This. We will see if they are able to do so.
Wouldn’t it be nice if Trump wins by a landslide, the Dems call foul because they weren’t able to remove Biden, and a massive audit exposes and cleans up all the real fraud that’s been going on for decades, back to Tammany Hall or almost certainly even before that, and delivers ways for the people to detect and actively participate in monitoring and resolving our own issues in every election moving forward, while providing processes and tools for us to do so with?
That would be great! Give hope again!
The Demoncrats and RINOS have a plan and everybody knows that here; I don’t think they are worried about JB, these demons know that he can steal this election like they have done it in the past. Remember is not elections it is selections.
I agree that President Trump wasn’t as precise in his refuting biden’s accusations. I was thinking of my Mom watching who doesn’t like DJT and the impact that could have on her and people like her who will never do the research. However we know the Dems want joe gone and it sounds like the narrative has started.
He couldn't run him over.
Someone like your mother would say he is a bully.
GGRockz agree! He had a fine line to walk “debating” a mentally disabled person. If JB was in his right mind, Trump would’ve been classic fighting Trump and rolled him. His base knows all Trump has done for this Country. I found it “touching” that Trump knows that and was kind of depending on that last night. I believe Trump knows this would expose JB as a horror of a “leader” and not want the Dems afterward to be able to say Trump was “unkind and flustered the poor man”!
Thank you.
It was frustrating reading these comments.
This is exactly what bothered me, too. Trump’s performance was great… for anyone who already knows and loves him. Not so much for those who despise him based on fake media outrage.
Trump had several great opportunities to clear up much of the disinformation people have about him.
He seized some of these opportunities, such as the lie that Trump called soldiers “suckers and losers”, by appealing to logic and reason (“how does that even make sense, and where is the corroborating evidence?”).
Federally banning birth control pills was tackled head on as a state’s rights issue that is being handled by the courts, and Trump has made no such move to ban Federally.
But in too many other instances, Biden tee’d Trump up to refute media disinformation with similar appeals to logic and facts, and Trump whisked past them as though his audience already knew the details.
“Good people on both sides” wasn’t explained as the unifying statement it was meant to be, appealing to the fact that there were ordinary citizens protesting both in favor of and against a statue.
His immigration plan wasn’t explained as respecting the legal process and protecting controlled, legal immigration while getting rid of the criminals and gangs.
His economic policies weren’t explained for empowering normal citizens the way we know they do. Economically, most of the focus was on how poor things are under Biden, not how much better they were under Trump.
He conducted himself well, rarely appeared too aggressive, and presented himself as a leader. But he didn’t do enough to speak to the people who only know him via CNN banter.
Frankly, he does a better job speaking to outsiders at his rallies, taking more time to show himself as the funny, kind, enigmatic, and prescient leader he is. This was his opportunity to show the country this side of him, and instead we saw… a guy that seems Presidential and better than Biden.
Which is… fine. But I want the country to realize that Trump isn’t just a tolerable leader, or a lesser of two evils. I want them to realize he’s a great leader, and exactly what we need. This was his last chance to do that pre-election, and it didn’t land that way.
I disagree. Trump brought his "resting tolerant face" and was the adult in the room. His opponent was angry and was probably being prompted to be that way, but his anger LOOKS evil; he can't help it.
Whatever drugs they gave him will have repercussions. Remember the SOTU and his extra flubs afterward? It's cruel to treat anyone that way. I think the drugs are accelerating his dementia and it should be obvious to all.
Now that the "suckers and losers" lie has been fully exposed to the public, I plan on referring to libtards as suckers & losers routinely, when they repeat lying MSM propaganda.
If Trump would have spent the entire time defending himself against media lies, it would not have been a win for Trump. This debate was about showing how lost Biden is.
Well written
Or Biden is not the man in charge, he is getting his marching orders from someone behind the scenes (like Obama, or some other dedicated Dem/Commie). and the Dems/Commies love this set up. I say Obama because he mentioned loving to be able to do this in the past; run things from behind the scenes. Biden was himself that all Dems refused to believe he was, but they all saw it.
Oh, I agree that Biden is not in charge--as in leading the show. One could say he is "in the charge"--of his wife, Jill. My joke is that he should change his middle name from Robinette to "marionette." This creates the unsettling situation of SOMEONE ELSE exercising presidential authority than the one elected to be President. What happens to governance if THAT person is unpredictably struck by lightning?
Biden is the visible point of the spear that is subverting our constitutional form of government.
And the people should know who is behind the puppet/marionette pulling the strings.
The interesting question is how are they glued together? What is the motivation that drives their coordination and teamwork? And loyalty. It could be fatal if anyone broke ranks and revealed the plot.
He is dumb, but his ideology fits the Dems/Commies views and that is all they care about. So, I'm not sure who is pulling the strings, could be Obama or someone else.
The panel reaction looked raw, but I believe it was rather expected. It's quite clear "the stage was set" to hand this debate to Trump. It looks like Biden didn't get his performance drug cocktail to mask his senility. This is the earliest a presidential debate has taken place in an election cycle, initiated by the Biden campaign. Why would they do that? It was a setup.
The moderators were the most impartial I've ever seen, especially coming from a libtard network like CNN. That could only have been by design. The only reason we saw that panel's "honest" reaction was because it was planned that way. The dems have been covering for Biden this whole time, and suddenly they "woke up" after one event? Not! I cannot believe what I witnessed last night, however it was also exactly what I expected. They set Biden up to fail, early enough in the cycle to swap with him with another candidate for whom they could pull off another stolen presidential victory. At least that is the plan, I believe.
I don't agree with your premise that Biden was sent forth without chemical assistance. He managed to keep himself together remarkably well. I've been in those shoes onstage and it is not an easy thing to do. Nor do I think that his wife would have permitted him to appear without it. So, prove it if you can.
It is an old wise saying that simple incompetence and bad luck are sufficient to explain many instances of pratfall disaster. The Dems are well down the road on self-imposed delusions about where they are in life and what the truth is. Isn't it fair to say that this was bound to happen eventually? And so it did, in a very public way.
There is too much eagerness to surmise this is all "according to plan." I have never seen much forethought in Democrat policies and maneuvers. They are all last minute and short-sighted. I prefer to think they are honestly in a pickle they had been denying for years now. Panic for them is good for us. Why not be optimistic, instead of granting them powers of connivance not in evidence?