Automation is a necessary step toward progress. We used to cut wood with a hand Saw now we use high speed battery powered saws. Life moves forward. Cars used to be built by hand now it's mostly automated. Go find another line of work.
It's up to the guys who pay the dock workers how they utilize people or machines in the company, it's not up to the dock workers. If the owners want to use machines that is their perogative. The dock workers can probably keep their jobs if they work for less than the cost of the machines, don't call in sick, and do the job without errors. But being good unionists they will want more money, more time off and no repercussions if something goes wrong. Plus, let's say if all the dock workers retired on the same day wouldn't the owners have a green light to replace those workers with robots? Screw the unions, they are all Communist front groups, anyways.
I tend to agree though my knowledge of the Unions is somewhat limited. I've never worked with them either. From what I know they did have a somewhat benevolent beginning, in protest for workers' fair treatment, but like other well intended orgs they were comp'd by the leftists
My dad was a teamster for 32 years. When he died my mother had to spend 16 years suing for his death benefits. She won finally but ended up nearly working g herself to death until then. My dad cursed them before he died.
Maybe the union workers can become the guys who manage the machines. They can be retrained to set robot parameters and schedule their workload. Kinda like being middle management with a little bit of robot control. Heck, I'd want to sit in a office all day programming on a computer than being out in the elements with the chance of getting injured. Seems like a no trainer to me.
I worked for the USPS for 30 years and only joined the union because of the healthcare benefits. I was and still am anti union but was forced to join the union because of the health benefits. I'm more of a management person. I personally saw union personel slow down the processing of the mail because of minor preceived contract violations. These people raised their hand and asked to be hired by a good paying employer. So once they joined the union that wanting of a job went out the window and they only thought of how can I get overtime, do less work, create more union positions, and get paid more. It was unsettling because I worked in a small mail processing facility where there were only about 20-30 workers. You either loved the union or hated it. I chose to see it for what it is, a communist organization dedicated to foment ill will between the workers and management. Heck, in the facility we had two mail handlers (guys who would unload trucks and take the mail to processing stations). The postmaster stated that this facility didn't need mail handlers and forced both guys to sit in a room all night long. For eight hours they did not work, yet during that time they filed grievences stating their rights were being violated. Every single night they would write up the same grievences, with a pencil in long hand. Eventually the Postmaster won and the two employees were transfered to a larger facitlity an hour's drive away. They got to keep their jobs, yet they had to travel two hours a day to go to work. The post office did just fine without them because the clerks picked up their workload. The postmaster was right. This is just one example of how unions work, or don't work to better the system.
once they joined the union that wanting of a job went out the window and they only thought of how can I get overtime, do less work, create more union positions, and get paid more
is this why I seem to always see construction workers just standing around smoking cigs and on the phone?
Somewhat Ironically the Union Boss erased a lot of good will with the Video statement he issued. Which essentially boiled down to “We’re holding the Country Hostage. And we’ll cripple the National Economy and put all of you out of Business if we don’t get what we want.”
Union Boss also has suspected Mob ties. And barely avoided a long stint in Jail on RICO charges. As the Star Witness for the prosecution. Turned up dead in the Trunk of a Car in New Jersey.
Last I looked the RICO case was involving the Gambino Crime Family. And several Gambino leaders who were actively employed by the Union or in Union membership.
So your solution is to ask for more money? The union can't unionize machines is the problem. The mafia is losing its cash cows. You can thank the unions for the automation.
My direct-labor maintenance team at work was replaced a 3rd party supplier as a means to save the company money. It resulted in 25 people getting laid off. But it's necessary to protect the company's bottom line. You might not like it, and neither do i, but workers are expendable for cheaper methods achieving the same end goal for the company's benefit. Which begs the question, why don't more of us work for ourselves?
A WWII and Korean war vet was school custodian for 30 years before his SS retirement kicked in and never once acted like it was "degrading". These "degrading" jobs put food on the table for a lot of grateful people. It had been said to me in the military; "I would never make you do anything I wouldn't."
The timing of it makes me think it's orchestrated - I mean, the issues are real, but there's a hidden purpose. Sum of all Fears - it's a lot harder to bring a nuke to port if the workers are on strike. Ports on the whole east coast are standing still. Ships will be anchored out until it's over.
LOL really? You can't stop it! People bitched that the automobile would eliminate the need for barns and stables in the city because they would not need horses to move goods. Take your argument to McDonalds when the workers started demanding 15-20 an hr. to sling fast food. What happened? Oh they put in self service ordering which is actually more efficient. Your job and many like it are giving way to automation because that's how progress works. Where was the UAW when auto manufactures replaced welders with robots in the 80s?? Today cars are manufactured faster and more efficient. You are the cog in the machine and you're being replaced with a computer to make getting goods to market more efficient. You don't own the dockyards you just work their!
Automation is a necessary step toward progress. We used to cut wood with a hand Saw now we use high speed battery powered saws. Life moves forward. Cars used to be built by hand now it's mostly automated. Go find another line of work.
Reminds me of Elon talking to fighter pilots, telling them to their faces that drones will make human pilots obsolete.
Funny thing about that: aircraft can make WAY harder maneuvers when they don't have to worry about squishy meat bits inside.
Apples and oranges, handshake.
As an actual inquiry and not an insult: Are you retarded?
It's up to the guys who pay the dock workers how they utilize people or machines in the company, it's not up to the dock workers. If the owners want to use machines that is their perogative. The dock workers can probably keep their jobs if they work for less than the cost of the machines, don't call in sick, and do the job without errors. But being good unionists they will want more money, more time off and no repercussions if something goes wrong. Plus, let's say if all the dock workers retired on the same day wouldn't the owners have a green light to replace those workers with robots? Screw the unions, they are all Communist front groups, anyways.
I tend to agree though my knowledge of the Unions is somewhat limited. I've never worked with them either. From what I know they did have a somewhat benevolent beginning, in protest for workers' fair treatment, but like other well intended orgs they were comp'd by the leftists
My dad was a teamster for 32 years. When he died my mother had to spend 16 years suing for his death benefits. She won finally but ended up nearly working g herself to death until then. My dad cursed them before he died.
Maybe the union workers can become the guys who manage the machines. They can be retrained to set robot parameters and schedule their workload. Kinda like being middle management with a little bit of robot control. Heck, I'd want to sit in a office all day programming on a computer than being out in the elements with the chance of getting injured. Seems like a no trainer to me.
I worked for the USPS for 30 years and only joined the union because of the healthcare benefits. I was and still am anti union but was forced to join the union because of the health benefits. I'm more of a management person. I personally saw union personel slow down the processing of the mail because of minor preceived contract violations. These people raised their hand and asked to be hired by a good paying employer. So once they joined the union that wanting of a job went out the window and they only thought of how can I get overtime, do less work, create more union positions, and get paid more. It was unsettling because I worked in a small mail processing facility where there were only about 20-30 workers. You either loved the union or hated it. I chose to see it for what it is, a communist organization dedicated to foment ill will between the workers and management. Heck, in the facility we had two mail handlers (guys who would unload trucks and take the mail to processing stations). The postmaster stated that this facility didn't need mail handlers and forced both guys to sit in a room all night long. For eight hours they did not work, yet during that time they filed grievences stating their rights were being violated. Every single night they would write up the same grievences, with a pencil in long hand. Eventually the Postmaster won and the two employees were transfered to a larger facitlity an hour's drive away. They got to keep their jobs, yet they had to travel two hours a day to go to work. The post office did just fine without them because the clerks picked up their workload. The postmaster was right. This is just one example of how unions work, or don't work to better the system.
Damn. That sounds like quite the racket
is this why I seem to always see construction workers just standing around smoking cigs and on the phone?
100% This ^^^
Somewhat Ironically the Union Boss erased a lot of good will with the Video statement he issued. Which essentially boiled down to “We’re holding the Country Hostage. And we’ll cripple the National Economy and put all of you out of Business if we don’t get what we want.”
Union Boss also has suspected Mob ties. And barely avoided a long stint in Jail on RICO charges. As the Star Witness for the prosecution. Turned up dead in the Trunk of a Car in New Jersey.
Mob ties eh? My antagonists on here know where THAT leads me to look...
La Cosa Nostra, Sicilian Mafia, Vatican
Just how much influence does the Vatican have over US labor?
Last I looked the RICO case was involving the Gambino Crime Family. And several Gambino leaders who were actively employed by the Union or in Union membership.
Just look at how much power they have over their followers
Fighting the automation won't save you in the long run. Other competition will gladly accept it to have an edge.
So your solution is to ask for more money? The union can't unionize machines is the problem. The mafia is losing its cash cows. You can thank the unions for the automation.
My direct-labor maintenance team at work was replaced a 3rd party supplier as a means to save the company money. It resulted in 25 people getting laid off. But it's necessary to protect the company's bottom line. You might not like it, and neither do i, but workers are expendable for cheaper methods achieving the same end goal for the company's benefit. Which begs the question, why don't more of us work for ourselves?
I mean to purposely dumb down your company just to keep employees does sound like charity.
so none of these workers would rather be doing something else?
automation would put an end to a lot of degrading jobs.
Thank God we don't have to put candies in wrappers by hand like that I Love Lucy episode 😭😭
yes, I remember that one🤠and it can definitely go awry!
think that's why we're being 'shown' all the absurdities. so we pay attention;)
A WWII and Korean war vet was school custodian for 30 years before his SS retirement kicked in and never once acted like it was "degrading". These "degrading" jobs put food on the table for a lot of grateful people. It had been said to me in the military; "I would never make you do anything I wouldn't."
yes, I live in the Midwest & see hard work every day. have also seen many die young because of the work, and 'system' inflicted on us.
why struggle so hard to 'put food on the table'...
there is a more efficient way, and that's why they have to get rid of the 'old guard'
we're watching it deconstruct.
The timing of it makes me think it's orchestrated - I mean, the issues are real, but there's a hidden purpose. Sum of all Fears - it's a lot harder to bring a nuke to port if the workers are on strike. Ports on the whole east coast are standing still. Ships will be anchored out until it's over.
LOL really? You can't stop it! People bitched that the automobile would eliminate the need for barns and stables in the city because they would not need horses to move goods. Take your argument to McDonalds when the workers started demanding 15-20 an hr. to sling fast food. What happened? Oh they put in self service ordering which is actually more efficient. Your job and many like it are giving way to automation because that's how progress works. Where was the UAW when auto manufactures replaced welders with robots in the 80s?? Today cars are manufactured faster and more efficient. You are the cog in the machine and you're being replaced with a computer to make getting goods to market more efficient. You don't own the dockyards you just work their!
Can they learn to farm? When all the IT jobs were sent to china and India, people would adapt.
Your next
Interesting
They can always learn how to make buggy whips.
Go back to horse riding then
So they’re nothing but luddites?