Exactly. I don’t know how anyone who followed Q did not come to the conclusion that Biden is not a legitimate president. Go ahead and let them get their pardons 😂 all it’s going to do is get them to admit they are guilty. You don’t issue pardons for the innocent. If that was the case Trump could have pardoned himself in 2021 as he knew they would commit political persecution against him and his administration. But he didn’t because he is a man of integrity and cared about us and the country more than himself. Now look at these losers and self-serving assholes lining up for security blankets. It’s disgusting and so outrageous it didn’t even cross any anons mind that they might pull something like that just to save their own ass and get away with decades of crime. I wish them good luck. Right now they are like cornered rats with only two ways to go and unfortunately for them both are traps. 🪤 NCSWIC
This will likely have to go to the supreme court, of course if this is t just MSM bs, one would think based on the legal definition, the person would have to be convicted of a crime. So if these people committed crimes but have not been charged, convicted and sentenced then there's nothing to pardon.
What is the legal definition of a pardon?
pardon. 1) v. to use the executive power of a Governor or President to forgive a person convicted of a crime
Honest question and to take a cue from our enemy;
How is this NOT a "license to do whatever the fuck you want, without fear of punishment"?!?!?! (Commies often say that having a CCW is a "license to kill" - this is the same, but obviously it's OK when THEY (D)o it!!!)
Seriously; what's the limit to what someone could do & claim immunity to, with a "pre-emptive" pardon?
Have "pre-emptive pardons" ever been given before?
There is legal precedent for blanket pardons. Ford's pardon of Nixon was for any crimes he may have committed while President.
That being said, there would no longer be the possibility of self-incrimination. So Milley could be compelled to testify about all of his supposed crimes. And if he lies about them, that opens up perjury made after the fact.
Milley could also be recalled into service and tasked to lead the first all DEI infantry division in Ukraine.
No need to worry. This is where the movie starts to get good. The way I see it is they have two options now. Either accept the pardon and thereby admitting guilt and forfeiting their 5th amendment rights or walk the line without that blanket of security and risk getting caught up in a investigation of their crimes now that they have lost the power to keep covering them up. Either way we win.
From what I read, Milley could still be court-martialed, found guilty. He would still be guilty even if pardoned. His record would not be expunged of his crime. He probably would still lose his government pension.
A presidential pardon generally relieves the offender of all punishments, penalties, and disabilities that flow directly from the conviction and restores important rights lost including the right to vote and possess firearms.
Eligibility for a Pardon
To be eligible for a presidential pardon, a petitioner must usually wait at least five years after their federal conviction before applying. This waiting period is designed to give the petitioner a reasonable period of time to demonstrate that they can be a responsible, productive, and law-abiding citizen. The waiting period begins on the date the petitioner is released from confinement or, if no confinement was awarded, from the date of sentencing.
Petitioners must have also fully satisfied whatever sentence was imposed, including all probation, parole, or supervised release, before applying for a pardon. It is important to note that the waiting period begins after the petitioner is released from confinement for their most recent conviction, whether or not that is the offense for which pardon is sought. Petitioners may request a waiver of this waiting period requirement, though such waivers are rarely granted.
A presidential pardon does not, however, erase or expunge the record of a military conviction. Expungement is a judicial remedy, rarely granted by courts, and cannot be granted by the Department of Justice or by the President. Instead, both the federal conviction as well as the pardon would both appear on your record. Even if you are granted a pardon, you still have to disclose that you were convicted at court-martial but may also state that you were later pardoned for the offense.
Additionally, the pardon of a military court-martial conviction will not change the character of a military discharge (e.g. dishonorable or bad conduct). To request a change in their characterization of service, a veteran must still submit a petition to their respective board for correction of military/naval records.
Hang that prick.
You are too kind.
No really.......
Milley needs to be hanged, PERIOD!
Can you pardon treason because that is clearly what this asshole needs to be charged with.
I cannot and Biden cannot. Only legitimate president of the USA (so: Donald Trump) could pardon treason against USA. But shouldn't do that.
Exactly. I don’t know how anyone who followed Q did not come to the conclusion that Biden is not a legitimate president. Go ahead and let them get their pardons 😂 all it’s going to do is get them to admit they are guilty. You don’t issue pardons for the innocent. If that was the case Trump could have pardoned himself in 2021 as he knew they would commit political persecution against him and his administration. But he didn’t because he is a man of integrity and cared about us and the country more than himself. Now look at these losers and self-serving assholes lining up for security blankets. It’s disgusting and so outrageous it didn’t even cross any anons mind that they might pull something like that just to save their own ass and get away with decades of crime. I wish them good luck. Right now they are like cornered rats with only two ways to go and unfortunately for them both are traps. 🪤 NCSWIC
Nope.
This will likely have to go to the supreme court, of course if this is t just MSM bs, one would think based on the legal definition, the person would have to be convicted of a crime. So if these people committed crimes but have not been charged, convicted and sentenced then there's nothing to pardon.
What is the legal definition of a pardon? pardon. 1) v. to use the executive power of a Governor or President to forgive a person convicted of a crime
Agreed.
Honest question and to take a cue from our enemy; How is this NOT a "license to do whatever the fuck you want, without fear of punishment"?!?!?! (Commies often say that having a CCW is a "license to kill" - this is the same, but obviously it's OK when THEY (D)o it!!!)
Seriously; what's the limit to what someone could do & claim immunity to, with a "pre-emptive" pardon?
Have "pre-emptive pardons" ever been given before?
There is legal precedent for blanket pardons. Ford's pardon of Nixon was for any crimes he may have committed while President.
That being said, there would no longer be the possibility of self-incrimination. So Milley could be compelled to testify about all of his supposed crimes. And if he lies about them, that opens up perjury made after the fact.
Milley could also be recalled into service and tasked to lead the first all DEI infantry division in Ukraine.
Poetic Justice. After cleaning latrines, he should be put on the front lines searching for land mines with a sledge hammer.
hopefully the brain dead potato will pardon everyone except himself and he can take the heat for all of them.......
even if pardoned, would that save him from the UCMJ? not sure how that works, but i imagine the Army would have its own rules.
So what Trump can still recall him to service, file a court martial. Milley’s defense I was Parton. HISTORY NOTED
I'm sure this was the exact use case that was expected with pardons 🙄
Plus I'm so excited to watch Milley fall
military law beats federal law. he should have left without retirement if he wanted to save his own neck.
Im really not worried about these pardons. I am sure that the Patriot team saw this coming and has it game planned.
They will have short expiration dates.
No need to worry. This is where the movie starts to get good. The way I see it is they have two options now. Either accept the pardon and thereby admitting guilt and forfeiting their 5th amendment rights or walk the line without that blanket of security and risk getting caught up in a investigation of their crimes now that they have lost the power to keep covering them up. Either way we win.
https://www.militaryjusticeattorneys.com/blog/2020/july/presidential-pardon-the-last-line-of-defense/
From what I read, Milley could still be court-martialed, found guilty. He would still be guilty even if pardoned. His record would not be expunged of his crime. He probably would still lose his government pension.
A presidential pardon generally relieves the offender of all punishments, penalties, and disabilities that flow directly from the conviction and restores important rights lost including the right to vote and possess firearms.
Eligibility for a Pardon
To be eligible for a presidential pardon, a petitioner must usually wait at least five years after their federal conviction before applying. This waiting period is designed to give the petitioner a reasonable period of time to demonstrate that they can be a responsible, productive, and law-abiding citizen. The waiting period begins on the date the petitioner is released from confinement or, if no confinement was awarded, from the date of sentencing.
Petitioners must have also fully satisfied whatever sentence was imposed, including all probation, parole, or supervised release, before applying for a pardon. It is important to note that the waiting period begins after the petitioner is released from confinement for their most recent conviction, whether or not that is the offense for which pardon is sought. Petitioners may request a waiver of this waiting period requirement, though such waivers are rarely granted.
A presidential pardon does not, however, erase or expunge the record of a military conviction. Expungement is a judicial remedy, rarely granted by courts, and cannot be granted by the Department of Justice or by the President. Instead, both the federal conviction as well as the pardon would both appear on your record. Even if you are granted a pardon, you still have to disclose that you were convicted at court-martial but may also state that you were later pardoned for the offense.
Additionally, the pardon of a military court-martial conviction will not change the character of a military discharge (e.g. dishonorable or bad conduct). To request a change in their characterization of service, a veteran must still submit a petition to their respective board for correction of military/naval records.
That is wonderful to hear.
Isn't there a distinction to be made between Federal Pardons, and Military Courts Martial, or Tribunals?
Doesn't matter in cases of treason, a presidential pardon would not work.
If he doesn't get a pardon, will he sing like Bird?
Pardon for Treason is not acceptable!
This is all bullshit the press is just making shit up.
It's gonna be fun times when trump discloses the 2020 fraud and all bidens pardons are reversed.
Great Point !!!
Death to traitors, pardoned or not.
This s**t is treason, that pardon should not cover treason.