We get no benefit to our nation by being a member. Only the defense industry selling their guns, bombs, and planes benefit. The common people get bodies back in bags to bury and mourn.
Im wondering how Europe managed to survive for thousands of years before the American taxpayer started subsidizing their defense. Time to cut the cord and let the chips fall where they may.
I hope Trump doesn't keep arming Ukraine because it would mean that Biden was doing the right thing all this time and most of us don't think he was. GEOTUS also said he would have this settled before he even took office, so I'm going to wait and see on this one.
Also, to Hell with NATO. I think it should be reconfigured or replaced like NAFTA was at the very least and with a provision that Europe can kiss our ass. Otherwise who needs it.
With Grok's help since my English is not the best :
NATO Should Be Dismantled: A European Perspective
There's a growing sentiment among many Europeans that NATO should be dismantled. A significant portion of the population feels alienated by the organization, believing it no longer serves their interests or security needs. However, the reality is that EU countries often feel compelled to remain members due to the perceived link between NATO involvement and EU membership, even though no formal obligation exists.
The financial burden is a common grievance; Europeans often feel they disproportionately fund NATO's operations while deriving limited benefits. More critically, there's a perception among some that NATO, under significant U.S. influence, drags European nations into conflicts and policies that do not align with their national interests or the will of their citizens. This involvement, critics argue, has sometimes led to increased terrorism threats within Europe.
Regarding control over NATO, the U.S. holds a pivotal role:
Article 10 of the NATO treaty states, "...Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America..." This clause ensures that any new member's entry is sanctioned by the U.S.
Article 13 provides an exit mechanism but underscores U.S. control: "...any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America..." This means that even the act of leaving NATO involves U.S. governmental oversight.
This structure effectively gives the U.S. considerable influence, if not outright control, over NATO's membership dynamics, which can be seen as a point of contention for those advocating for European autonomy in security matters
So my hope is Trump destroys NATO (No need for Grok on that one ;) )
When the banksters learned it was enriching to fund both sides of wars, the European became a commodity to use.
There was no need for a NATO before that time. There shouldn't ever be a need for a NATO in the future. Destroy the banksters profit model by destroying their central banking system and peace will come to most of the world.
The US should have a constitutional amendment forbidding military alliances with nations that disallow their own citizens from bearing arms. That would end US entanglement with NATO as well, and for good reason.
"If Europe doesn't increase its defense spending to 5% of GDP"
I don't care about this part.
"...the USA should leave NATO"
But that's a great idea.
Remind me again what exactly we get from NATO that we actually need?
"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world." ~ George Washington in his farewell speech.
What has our meddling every made better? Foreign alliances caused WW 1. The US joining the war late caused the overwhelming defeat of the Central Powers, resulting in the utter rape of Germany at Versailles.
Which ultimately caused WWII. In which we demonstrated that American manufacturing could out produce the rest of the world.
It's time to put the US Army back on a pre-War Between the States footing (state run militia and troops), and reassign the Air Force to being the Army Air Corps.
We leave the Navy as is, and put the Marines back under the Dept. of the Navy so they can do their job of ensuring that the seas are safe for US Shipping.
They should pay it all.
We should leave NATO anyway.
Came here to say exactly that.
What about "Constitutional Republic" do people not understand?
Any time you see the word "NATO" ---- replace it with "Rothschild Banking".
Exactly!
We get no benefit to our nation by being a member. Only the defense industry selling their guns, bombs, and planes benefit. The common people get bodies back in bags to bury and mourn.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/trump-informs-europe-he-wants-5--nato-defense-spending-targe
Fuck NATO and the Ukraine!
Leave them both!
Im wondering how Europe managed to survive for thousands of years before the American taxpayer started subsidizing their defense. Time to cut the cord and let the chips fall where they may.
WWII was created for NATO and the UN like 'Covid' was created for the vaccine.
NATO is the continuation of the Marshall Plan. Through it the US taxpayers subsidize EVERYTHING in Europe.
Fuck that, globohomo needs to pay for it all, or we out
I hope Trump doesn't keep arming Ukraine because it would mean that Biden was doing the right thing all this time and most of us don't think he was. GEOTUS also said he would have this settled before he even took office, so I'm going to wait and see on this one.
Also, to Hell with NATO. I think it should be reconfigured or replaced like NAFTA was at the very least and with a provision that Europe can kiss our ass. Otherwise who needs it.
With Grok's help since my English is not the best :
NATO Should Be Dismantled: A European Perspective
There's a growing sentiment among many Europeans that NATO should be dismantled. A significant portion of the population feels alienated by the organization, believing it no longer serves their interests or security needs. However, the reality is that EU countries often feel compelled to remain members due to the perceived link between NATO involvement and EU membership, even though no formal obligation exists.
The financial burden is a common grievance; Europeans often feel they disproportionately fund NATO's operations while deriving limited benefits. More critically, there's a perception among some that NATO, under significant U.S. influence, drags European nations into conflicts and policies that do not align with their national interests or the will of their citizens. This involvement, critics argue, has sometimes led to increased terrorism threats within Europe.
Regarding control over NATO, the U.S. holds a pivotal role:
Article 10 of the NATO treaty states, "...Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America..." This clause ensures that any new member's entry is sanctioned by the U.S.
Article 13 provides an exit mechanism but underscores U.S. control: "...any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America..." This means that even the act of leaving NATO involves U.S. governmental oversight.
This structure effectively gives the U.S. considerable influence, if not outright control, over NATO's membership dynamics, which can be seen as a point of contention for those advocating for European autonomy in security matters
So my hope is Trump destroys NATO (No need for Grok on that one ;) )
https://www.nato.int/cps/cz/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm
When the banksters learned it was enriching to fund both sides of wars, the European became a commodity to use.
There was no need for a NATO before that time. There shouldn't ever be a need for a NATO in the future. Destroy the banksters profit model by destroying their central banking system and peace will come to most of the world.
TRUMP to Zelenskyy: "You are human excrement"
NATO should go away
Leave the UN, NATO. We are paying the majority and they need us more than we need them. Reimagine and rename on OUR terms.
The US should have a constitutional amendment forbidding military alliances with nations that disallow their own citizens from bearing arms. That would end US entanglement with NATO as well, and for good reason.
I say dump NATO... Dump the UN...!!!!
"If Europe doesn't increase its defense spending to 5% of GDP" I don't care about this part.
"...the USA should leave NATO" But that's a great idea.
Remind me again what exactly we get from NATO that we actually need?
"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world." ~ George Washington in his farewell speech.
What has our meddling every made better? Foreign alliances caused WW 1. The US joining the war late caused the overwhelming defeat of the Central Powers, resulting in the utter rape of Germany at Versailles.
Which ultimately caused WWII. In which we demonstrated that American manufacturing could out produce the rest of the world.
It's time to put the US Army back on a pre-War Between the States footing (state run militia and troops), and reassign the Air Force to being the Army Air Corps.
We leave the Navy as is, and put the Marines back under the Dept. of the Navy so they can do their job of ensuring that the seas are safe for US Shipping.
I agree with your last three words.
The US should leave NATO.
Can someone explain why he would continue arming the side that has 0% chance of victory?
Can you put up an archived link?
No, didn't work.
What about all countries decreasing the % to 0.5% (including the US).
Why to feed military industrial complex (paying higher taxes every year)?