Here we saved Europe and Rebuilt Europe after WWII (Marshall Plan) and the thanks we've gotten was to bend over the barrel and take it up the wazoo for a few decades.
It's over. It's all over. Maximum economic pressure on the EU.
If they retaliate, they can see our military leave for good. Good luck funding NATO cucks.
I agree with the above on Ukraine but even more important. Insist on basic human rights first & foremost! Your citizens must have free speech before we can talk any further. And real elections too! None of this canceling if they don't like the results!
I'd like to make that stipulation, but it's imposing a double standard.
We don't require Chinese citizens to have "free speech" or "religious freedom" before we trade with them.
We don't insist that Saudi Arabia allow "free speech" or "women's rights" before we trade with them.
We don't insist that Russia allows LGBTQ rights or "racial equality" before we trade with them.
So... insisting that Europe allow "free speech" in order to trade, or to not impose trade tariffs is a bit one-sided. We don't require other regions to pass that same test... so why just single out Europe?
I would think Europe having free speech would more than likely keep them as an ally. If we give up on Europe (people with free speech, can change the nations thinking-look right here and see), they may become like the Chinese-and become our rivals. One more nation(s) to be concerned about. Maybe they are not much of an ally now, but once we put the distance between them and us with treating them like China, Saudi Arabia, or even Russia we may have to search forever for an ally in that region. Just my opinion on the matter. I don't know what Trump, or his administration, have in mind.
I think Trump will want to require them to lift the ban on our beef and some other things that they ban. I can understand their issue not wanting to bring in items they have already banned due to health concerns (several of our processed food items with certain dyes and fake sweeteners, etc). Their beef ban is because we had a few instances (Idk exact numbers) of mad cow and they have had none, so they want to take no chances.
Agreed Entirely - this should absolutely be part of the deal, and since VP Vance has been the most vocal about it, I think he would be good on the negotiating team.
I heard today that zero for zero tariffs can sometimes still be worse than the existence of tariffs, due to other mechanisms like subsidies and offshore packaging which can still shift the trade balance.
From what I have read, that's not an issue, because Trump and admin officials are saying, it's not just about the actual real tariffs, but all the other things that create the imbalance as well. In other words, if a country is creating an unfair advantage over the US, then the US tariffs will take that into account. Not just what is called "a tariff" by the other country.
Honestly we should produce our own produce and things and if EU want our stuff they should pay the price, they have ripped off our country for centuries, we have giving them USAID, I don’t see fairness. Of course eliminate NATO, we don’t need any organization that’s a way to stop money laundering to all these countries and America will be a better place specially with homeless living a good life.
Nope. We'll wait until the Ukraine War is completely over before making that deal.
If the EU continues the Ukraine War for a few more years... then it's their loss.
Unless a peace deal is made, and the EU agrees to it... no other deal can take place.
Agreed. And considering how high the tariffs (if the VAT is included) actually were from the EU, I'm not even sure that would be reasonable enough.
President Trump sees the VAT as a hidden tariff, and is treating it as such. (Europe, of course, disagrees....)
Agreed.
Here we saved Europe and Rebuilt Europe after WWII (Marshall Plan) and the thanks we've gotten was to bend over the barrel and take it up the wazoo for a few decades.
It's over. It's all over. Maximum economic pressure on the EU.
If they retaliate, they can see our military leave for good. Good luck funding NATO cucks.
No more support for the abusers.
I agree with the above on Ukraine but even more important. Insist on basic human rights first & foremost! Your citizens must have free speech before we can talk any further. And real elections too! None of this canceling if they don't like the results!
I'd like to make that stipulation, but it's imposing a double standard.
We don't require Chinese citizens to have "free speech" or "religious freedom" before we trade with them.
We don't insist that Saudi Arabia allow "free speech" or "women's rights" before we trade with them.
We don't insist that Russia allows LGBTQ rights or "racial equality" before we trade with them.
So... insisting that Europe allow "free speech" in order to trade, or to not impose trade tariffs is a bit one-sided. We don't require other regions to pass that same test... so why just single out Europe?
I would think Europe having free speech would more than likely keep them as an ally. If we give up on Europe (people with free speech, can change the nations thinking-look right here and see), they may become like the Chinese-and become our rivals. One more nation(s) to be concerned about. Maybe they are not much of an ally now, but once we put the distance between them and us with treating them like China, Saudi Arabia, or even Russia we may have to search forever for an ally in that region. Just my opinion on the matter. I don't know what Trump, or his administration, have in mind.
Agreed! I was thinking though, just insisting in fair elections would be enough. The people will eventually vote in free speech
I think Trump will want to require them to lift the ban on our beef and some other things that they ban. I can understand their issue not wanting to bring in items they have already banned due to health concerns (several of our processed food items with certain dyes and fake sweeteners, etc). Their beef ban is because we had a few instances (Idk exact numbers) of mad cow and they have had none, so they want to take no chances.
Great points.
Make them give up their political prisoners, like the girl who killed a Muslim raping her....
And quit arresting and fining people for free speach.
Then we can talk.
I'm with you on that, or at least, make sure their elections really do represent the people & no canceling of them if they don't like the results
Agreed Entirely - this should absolutely be part of the deal, and since VP Vance has been the most vocal about it, I think he would be good on the negotiating team.
Will be interesting to see how the Trump administration proceeds.
I heard today that zero for zero tariffs can sometimes still be worse than the existence of tariffs, due to other mechanisms like subsidies and offshore packaging which can still shift the trade balance.
From what I have read, that's not an issue, because Trump and admin officials are saying, it's not just about the actual real tariffs, but all the other things that create the imbalance as well. In other words, if a country is creating an unfair advantage over the US, then the US tariffs will take that into account. Not just what is called "a tariff" by the other country.
Yup! Make them stand down on the war mongering!
Honestly we should produce our own produce and things and if EU want our stuff they should pay the price, they have ripped off our country for centuries, we have giving them USAID, I don’t see fairness. Of course eliminate NATO, we don’t need any organization that’s a way to stop money laundering to all these countries and America will be a better place specially with homeless living a good life.