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60% of bees dead from certain type of chemicals.. If enough bees die, humans will too. Pollination by bees is essential. Listen to this please (twitter.com) Part MSM Conspiracy Theory
posted 1 year ago by KnockKnockItsJinx 1 year ago by KnockKnockItsJinx +172 / -0
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– cathole953 20 points 1 year ago +20 / -0

I don't even have to listen to know it's not true, because people have been perpetuating this for decades now. 60% of honeybees are not dying off. It's specific subspecies that are having die offs, and in some cases its not event chemicals, its competition from other species of honey bees. On the whole, commercial bee rearing and bee populations in general are up. The problem is less biodiversity, which is a problem, but nowhere near as bad as the false total bee die off narrative being pushed.

Furthermore, it's not even a nationwide phenomenon. It's pretty localized to specific regions. Some regions are having this problem, others are experiencing a massive uptick in honey bee populations both commercial and wild. This is just another MSM false "the world is ending" narrative pushed to make us all feel depressed and despondent.

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– IAMMEFORREAL 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Good lord you're brain washed.

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– Notimportant81 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

How did pollination get done before Europeans imported the honeybee as a crop animal?

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– cyberrigger 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Lots of other critters pollinate besides honey bees.

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– Notimportant81 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Yes.

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– Standingoak 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Before Agriculture ?

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– PandaMoon17 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

It is an insecticide.... so other pollinators will die from it too.

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– TXBeeLady 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

I am a beekeeper, and am aware of the die-off.

What is NOT mentioned is the majority of this decline is affecting COMMERCIAL beekeepers. I run my county bee club and our winter losses were normal.

Did you know that almonds alone in California require 1.5-1.6M colonies of bees for pollination? A crop that isn’t even native to the US? Bees are trucked from all over the country to California to sit on a monocrop for an entire brood cycle. Not to mention the chemical pest treatments that are required by contract. There are plenty of research facilities studying this issue right now with no single factor cause emerging. This also happened in 2008 and was dubbed Colony Collapse Disorder, due to multiple causes.

IMHO, bees were not created to be ridden hard and put up wet. Pollinate local farms and orchards instead. And for the love of God, monoculture kills native insects and soils.

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– TaQo 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

I thought I read recently how chlorine dioxide can help bees, to kill off all the things getting them...

Have you read that in your studies?

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– TXBeeLady 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I have not come across that topic; but I don’t chemically treat my colonies, so there is that.

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– cyberrigger 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Why is it that the "nice" bees die off? ---- and get replaced with the wild murderous bastards that sting you through your gloves?

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– Farmerberry 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

What happened to that terrible, TERRIBLE disaster when KILLER African Honey Bees were rampaging up USA some years ago?

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– TXBeeLady 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

My honest opinion?

The “Africanized” bees escaped in South America in 1956. Since half of the crossbreed is Apis mellifera (European honeybee), I would think that over the last 70 years the Apis m. scuttellata genes would have bred down significantly, since queens are replaced by the colony every year or so and new queens mate outside of their colony specifically for genetic diversity.

I have had hives that were extra spicy; they just get inspected less than the others. And in a season or two, the colony will have replaced their queen and be as nice as kittens. All behavior is based on Queen genetics. The only way to truly tell if a colony is Africanized is via genetic autopsy.

Granted, I am in North Texas where “Africanized” bees have been supposedly found and I have no idea about the current state of affairs down in the valley. But as a keeper I do know the proper conditions (weather and timing) for opening a bee hive without deliberately pissing them off. Inexperienced keepers may not yet understand those conditions and be the reason for angry bees and not genetics.

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– cyberrigger 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Central Texas here.

I've had some nice Italians that were pets --- crawl on your hand and be sweet. You could talk to them like a friend.

The wild bees here are evil bastards ---- they only want to kill you and your children ---- and your dog.

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– cyberrigger 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

without deliberately pissing them off.

depends on the bees

My granddad would rob his hives with no suit ---- He probably had Italian bees.

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– cyberrigger 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Still here

My friend has Africanized hives ------ he has to wear full body armor and work on his hives at night with a red light.

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– Simple_Doot 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Thousands of bee species are indigenous to North America. Honey Bees are not, they were imported by Europeans.

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– ZeroDeltaTango 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Bees aren't even native to North America.

Thousands of bee species are indigenous to North America.

Gotta love the spirit of lively debate here at GAW - it knows no bounds ;p

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– PandaMoon17 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Insecticides kill other insects other than just honeybees. Most likely it affects the other pollinators local to America.

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– Shalimar 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

YES!!! The parish sprays so incessantly for mosquitoes that I no longer even see honey bees. Wasps are down some too.

As a kid, you had to watch closely when playing outside (barefoot) so you WOULDN'T step on one. Clover is down too.

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– TXBeeLady 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

We don’t see nearly the insects that we used to. If you live in the south, any summer night drive would result in bugs all over the windshield.

Not so much anymore.

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– ToxicLibertyism 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Everyone who owns land where bees can be commercially housed should reach out to local bee farmers to help cultivate the bee population. Or, cultivate their own bees.
There are even these super cool and simple do-it-yourself kits on the market these days. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IYgJB2DCP7I

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– Munchaussen 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Bull……not happening.

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– Brent75 [M] 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

I get the importance of bees too Anons, and yes I do know some typical yard, garden, and farm sprays kill the ones in the area of these sprays. But I know part of this is the also the WEF/Bill Gates “Let Me Farm For You” Envro-Scare tactics backed by MSM. So I’m flaring it as such.

WWG1WGA

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– friendlyfuzzybear 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

It could be a (designed) problem-reaction-solution situation. I'm more inclined to believe that it's an opportunistic problem-reaction-solution push. Hard to say without having a peek into the secret binders of Bill Gates and friends. But when a topic receives repeated presentation in the media it does pick up our antennae.

I have an uncle who as a life-long traditional corn and soy farmer took up small scale bee keeping in his later years as a hobby activity. In the 2010s he started having entire colonies collapse. He did not know why.

Many of us have this shared experience. When driving in evenings and early night during the 70s and 80s your headlamps and windshield would be covered in bug splatter. It took real elbow grease at the gas station to scrub off the yellow crud. Now, almost nothing. Also, the porch light litmus test. I used to have insects swarm around my porch lights in dense numbers. Now there is hardly any. So I view the honey bee issue as part of what appears to be insect species collapse at large.

Much as I love the comforts of modern civilization, witnessing the base of the food chain being knocked out is a bad harbinger.

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– Bobisouttacontrol 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Pollination occurs by many, many thousands of insect/bug species and birds, mammals, the wind, the rain...

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– Zadok 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

This is the Disney remake of 'Silent Spring'.

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– Ddrake517 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I’ve had three conversations about bees this week. First my 28yo daughter was talking about no mow May. She gave up and mowed her yard. 2nd, I’ve been seeing plenty of bees in my garden/orchard this spring and 3rd my brother was mowing under a flowering tree at his house. He had to get off the mower to pick up a stick and literally said the tree was buzzing with bees. This was all different environments but it appears bees are thriving in south/central Mich. My brother lives at a lake, my daughter in the city and I’m rural.

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– TheVerboten1 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I wish it were wasps dying off, it's a fight to get rid of them where I live in the country. I am surrounded by Almond orchards and they bring in a shitload of bee hives every spring, but it is the wasps I mostly have to deal with.

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– lovemyGod 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

hang plain paper brown bags around where you want them to leave, eaves, near outside sitting places, it really works not big bags, lunch sized bags are fine, just tie the top with a string and hang em up, wasps will stay away, they think it's another nest.

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– TheVerboten1 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Thank you for the tip. I will try this. They seem to hang around a play area of the yard where my grandchildren play.

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– Merkava_4 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

The pesticide thing is a diversion cover story to steer you away from what's really killing the bees: Cell Towers.

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– grtdayn 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Moths do a better job than bees :)

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– ZeroDeltaTango 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Ya gotta admire the deepstate's innovation, creativity and hardcore commitment to pursuit of their goals: constantly coming up with new ways to injure, sicken, and slaughter humankind

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– Farmerberry 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

From a previous bee disaster lie: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/02/17/bee-pocaclypse-called-off-bees-doing-ok-global-warming-was-never-a-cause/

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– Ric0Suav3 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

The greedy knows no bounds! This world never needed anything synthetic! It was made perfect for our existence! Fallen men tried to play God and need to keep digging, to find a way out of their manmade fallacy! They only trying to make transgenderism palatable because they had a 'transgender' first lady! They only trying to make 'Minor Attracted Persons' palatable because they are pedophiles! They only trying to dig themselves out of a position they knowingly put themselves because they never thought she would lose! Now they all lose! Nothing can stop what is coming! All these demons will be revealed for who really they are...for internity! These are all dead men clutching at straws! Everything comes to light! No sugar coating! We will be known for who we trully are!

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– PandaMoon17 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Check out Grok prompt r/t this class of insecticides.

Grok prompt1: "health effects of neonicotanoids on humans"

Neonicotinoids are a class of insecticides widely used in agriculture, and their potential health effects on humans are a topic of ongoing research. Here's a concise overview based on current understanding: Direct Health Effects

Acute Exposure: High-level exposure to neonicotinoids (e.g., through occupational handling or accidental ingestion) can cause symptoms like nausea, vomiting, headache, dizziness, and, in rare cases, seizures or respiratory distress. Such cases are uncommon and typically linked to improper handling of concentrated formulations.
Chronic Exposure: Evidence on long-term, low-level exposure (e.g., via food residues or environmental contact) is limited and inconclusive. Some studies suggest potential concerns, but no definitive causal links have been established for specific chronic conditions in humans.

Potential Concerns

Neurological Effects: Neonicotinoids target nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in insects, which are also present in humans. Animal studies raise concerns about possible neurodevelopmental effects, particularly from prenatal or early-life exposure, but human data is sparse and not conclusive.
Endocrine Disruption: Some lab studies suggest neonicotinoids may interfere with hormonal systems, but there’s no clear evidence of this in humans at typical exposure levels.
Cancer and Other Diseases: There’s no strong evidence linking neonicotinoids to cancer or other chronic diseases in humans. Regulatory assessments (e.g., by the EPA and EFSA) have not classified them as carcinogenic.

Exposure Pathways

Dietary: Trace residues in food (e.g., fruits, vegetables, honey) are the primary exposure route for the general population. Levels are typically low and considered safe by regulatory standards (e.g., FDA, EFSA).
Environmental: Exposure via contaminated water, soil, or air (e.g., near agricultural areas) is possible but minimal for most people.
Occupational: Farmworkers or pesticide applicators face higher risks if proper safety measures aren’t followed.

Regulatory Perspective

Agencies like the EPA, EFSA, and WHO consider neonicotinoids safe for humans at current exposure levels, provided usage follows guidelines. Maximum residue limits (MRLs) in food are strictly enforced.
Some regions (e.g., the EU) have restricted neonicotinoid use due to environmental concerns (e.g., pollinator harm), not direct human health risks.

Research Gaps

Long-term human studies are limited, especially for low-dose, chronic exposure.
Vulnerable populations (e.g., children, pregnant women) need more research to assess potential risks.
Interactions with other pesticides or environmental factors are poorly understood.

Precautions

General Public: Washing produce thoroughly and consuming a varied diet can minimize exposure to pesticide residues.
Workers: Proper protective equipment and adherence to safety protocols are critical for those handling neonicotinoids.
Policy: Supporting research and sustainable pest management can reduce reliance on chemical pesticides.

If you’d like me to dive deeper into a specific aspect (e.g., a particular neonicotinoid like imidacloprid, exposure data, or regulatory differences), let me know! I can also search for recent studies or posts on X for more context if needed.

Grok Prompt #2: does neonicotinoid affect calcium uptake in cells

Neonicotinoids, as insecticides, primarily target nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs) in insects, but their potential effects on calcium uptake in cells, particularly in humans or mammals, are less studied and not fully established. Here’s a concise breakdown based on available evidence: Mechanistic Context

Neonicotinoids can activate nAChRs, which are ion channels that, when stimulated, allow influx of cations like calcium (Ca²⁺) and sodium (Na⁺) into cells. This receptor activation could theoretically influence calcium signaling in cells expressing nAChRs, such as neurons or muscle cells.
Calcium uptake and signaling are critical for numerous cellular processes, including neurotransmission, muscle contraction, and gene expression. Any disruption could have downstream effects.

Evidence in Mammalian/Human Cells

In Vitro Studies: Some studies on mammalian cell lines suggest neonicotinoids (e.g., imidacloprid, clothianidin) may indirectly affect calcium homeostasis by activating nAChRs, leading to increased intracellular calcium levels. For example, research on neuronal cells shows that neonicotinoids can trigger calcium influx, potentially causing excitotoxicity at high concentrations.
Animal Studies: Rodent studies indicate that high doses of neonicotinoids may alter calcium-dependent signaling pathways in the brain, potentially linked to neurobehavioral effects. However, these effects are typically observed at exposure levels far exceeding typical human scenarios.
Human Relevance: There’s no direct evidence that neonicotinoids significantly disrupt calcium uptake in human cells at environmentally relevant doses (e.g., dietary or occupational exposure). The affinity of neonicotinoids for human nAChRs is much lower than for insect receptors, reducing the likelihood of substantial effects.

Other Considerations

Oxidative Stress: Some studies suggest neonicotinoids may induce oxidative stress, which can indirectly impair calcium homeostasis by affecting mitochondrial function or endoplasmic reticulum stress responses. This has been observed in non-neuronal cells (e.g., liver or kidney cells) in animal models.
Cell Type Specificity: Effects on calcium uptake may vary by cell type. For instance, neuronal cells with high nAChR expression are more likely to show changes than other cell types.
Dose Dependency: Most studies showing calcium-related effects involve high doses or concentrations not typically encountered by humans, limiting real-world applicability.

Research Gaps

Data on low-dose, chronic exposure (relevant to human dietary or environmental exposure) and calcium uptake is scarce.
Specific neonicotinoids (e.g., imidacloprid vs. acetamiprid) may differ in their effects, but comparative studies are limited.
Long-term consequences of subtle calcium dysregulation (e.g., in neurodevelopment or aging) are not well-explored.

Conclusion

Neonicotinoids can influence calcium uptake in cells, primarily through nAChR activation, as shown in some in vitro and animal studies. However, there’s no clear evidence that they significantly disrupt calcium homeostasis in humans at typical exposure levels. Effects are more likely at high doses or in specific cell types like neurons. Further research is needed to clarify low-dose, chronic effects and human relevance.

If you want me to dig into specific studies, focus on a particular neonicotinoid, or check for recent findings (e.g., via web or X posts), let me know!

Grok prompt 3: "nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs) role in human cells"

Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs) are ligand-gated ion channels critical to various physiological processes in human cells. Below is a concise overview of their role, with a focus on their function in human cellular contexts, tying into the prior discussion about neonicotinoids and calcium uptake. Structure and Function

Composition: nAChRs are pentameric proteins composed of five subunits (e.g., α, β, δ, ε, or γ), with various combinations (e.g., α7, α4β2) determining their properties. Humans express 16 nAChR subunit genes (α1–α7, α9–α10, β1–β4, δ, ε, γ).
Activation: They bind acetylcholine (ACh) or nicotine, opening the channel to allow cations (primarily Na⁺, Ca²⁺, K⁺) to flow, depolarizing the cell membrane or triggering intracellular signaling.
Location: Found in the central nervous system (CNS), peripheral nervous system (PNS), skeletal muscle, and some non-neuronal cells (e.g., immune cells, epithelial cells).

Roles in Human Cells

Neuronal Signaling (CNS and PNS):
    Synaptic Transmission: In the brain, nAChRs (e.g., α4β2, α7) modulate fast synaptic signaling, neurotransmitter release (e.g., dopamine, glutamate), and neuronal excitability.
    Cognitive Functions: Implicated in attention, memory, and learning. Dysregulation is linked to disorders like Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and schizophrenia.
    Calcium Signaling: α7 nAChRs, highly permeable to Ca²⁺, regulate calcium-dependent processes like synaptic plasticity and neuroprotection.
Neuromuscular Junction (Skeletal Muscle):
    Muscle-type nAChRs (α1β1δε or α1β1δγ) mediate muscle contraction. ACh released from motor neurons binds nAChRs, triggering Na⁺/Ca²⁺ influx and muscle depolarization.
    Dysfunction is associated with myasthenia gravis or congenital myasthenic syndromes.
Non-Neuronal Cells:
    Immune Cells: nAChRs (e.g., α7) on macrophages and T-cells modulate inflammation via the cholinergic anti-inflammatory pathway, regulating cytokine release.
    Epithelial Cells: Found in skin, lung, and gut, nAChRs influence cell proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis.
    Cancer: Aberrant nAChR expression (e.g., in lung cancer) can promote cell growth or metastasis, partly via calcium signaling.
Calcium Homeostasis:
    nAChRs, especially α7, allow significant Ca²⁺ influx, activating pathways like MAPK, CREB, or PI3K-Akt, which regulate gene expression, cell survival, or apoptosis.
    In neurons, this Ca²⁺ influx modulates synaptic strength and plasticity. In non-neuronal cells, it influences processes like wound healing or immune responses.

Relevance to Neonicotinoids

Neonicotinoids, as nAChR agonists, can bind human nAChRs, though with lower affinity than insect receptors. This binding may induce Ca²⁺ influx, particularly via α7 nAChRs, potentially disrupting calcium homeostasis in neurons or other cells at high doses.
In humans, such effects are minimal at typical exposure levels (e.g., dietary residues), but high occupational exposure could theoretically overstimulate nAChRs, leading to excitotoxicity or altered signaling.

Pathophysiological Implications

Neurological Disorders: Overactivation or inhibition of nAChRs is linked to epilepsy, addiction (nicotine dependence), and neurodegeneration.
Inflammation: α7 nAChRs are therapeutic targets for conditions like sepsis or rheumatoid arthritis due to their anti-inflammatory role.
Toxicity: Excessive nAChR activation (e.g., by nicotine or pesticides) can cause symptoms like tremors, seizures, or respiratory failure due to overstimulation.

Conclusion

nAChRs play diverse roles in human cells, from synaptic transmission and muscle contraction to immune modulation and calcium signaling. Their activation influences critical processes via ion flux, particularly Ca²⁺, making them sensitive to agonists like neonicotinoids. While neonicotinoid effects on human nAChRs are likely negligible at low exposures, their potential to disrupt calcium uptake underscores the need for careful monitoring, especially in vulnerable populations.

If you’d like a deeper dive into a specific nAChR subtype, their role in a particular cell type, or their interaction with neonicotinoids, let me know! I can also search for recent studies or X posts for additional insights.

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– RealityIsBroken 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Who knows what's going on with bees, nothing seems to be simple or cut and dry why.

But what pops to my mind is some scheme to get people eating more lab grown foods. Although I guess in this case non-meats lol

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