Don't sign TSA release forms at airports
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Just DON'T SIGN YOUR OWN NAME.
I do that all the time on forms.
So long as the name you sign starts off with the correct letters, nobody reads after that.
If your name is Richard Elbert... then sign Roger Ebert, or Rick Eelheart.
If it's not your name, not your signature, then it's NOT a contract. It doesn't matter if you signed the form, if you didn't sign your correct name then it's not a contract or permission.
This is not true. Any mark you make can be interpreted as your signature, regardless of what you write.
Correct.
Even an X... OR a O... like Kate Hikes
Shoeless Joe Jackson enters the chat..
Those damned baseball spikes...
Its more about the illegal coercion. You cannot be forced unib to a contract. If they require a signature to do what is your constitional right to do then it's not a valid contract. Your consent can not be forced or it's not consent.
I sign my dog's name to some things. If anyone comes asking questions, they can talk to the dog.
"Not available. In a meeting at the moment."
Yeah... good luck with that when you do it for real on the screen in front of agent sheboon or get a TWIC card because you need it for work.
I've signed lengthy medical procedure contracts that were presented to me just before the procedure, then wrote after my name "but I don't understand what I just signed." Let them defend themselves against that if challenged.
Technically a valid contract must be a meeting of the minds, so if you don't understand ("stand under") the contract, it should not be enforceable.
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Yes, this. The lawyers who write these contracts and the medical providers who ask you to sign them must know that the general public doesn't completely understand the content of the contract. Legally, I don't see how their contracts are valid.
Med forms have fine print referring to giving blanket authority to them for injections
Can this actually stand up in court though?
There's a lot of gray area... from my perspective anyway.
For instance, What court is the venue?
Are you REALLY a "U.S. Citizen" ??? Because that's a whole legal status in and of itself that essentially says, you're a corporation (your STRAWMAN) that resides in Washington DC (zip codes anyone?) and the maritime Admiralty kangaroo court "port" assumes you are "lost at sea" and a ward of the state...
Signing that document most likely falls under the premise of "compelled performance", just like a driver's license etc.
So from a "law of the land/common law" perspective, it's bunk. But from their horseshittin circus court system, all your base are belong to them...
I'll offer this to you, fren - in consolation: None of us are here for very long. Discover your eternal nature by communion with the Christ, by dwelling in the temple built without human hands. In God's Light, all of this stuff is completely meaningless and insignificant... and consumed in the fire of the everlasting flame. The kingdom of God is within you...go there. You'll reach a higher state of "F it".
Always give yourself an out... this legalese shit can seem heavy.
Also: War Castles
No. No it can’t. You signed the document, and it is the act of signing that seals the deal, not what is written. You could even argue that trying to do what H2O said to do is fraud. Absolutely do not trust their advice here.
Correct. You could draw a picture of a rainy day or sign it Adolf Hitler. Still your signature.
The real trick is to sign but reserve your common law rights by adding "without prejudice" or "UD" (under duress) or "VC" (vi coactus - latin for "having been forced") next to your signature. It's a legal notation that indicates the signer's unwilling participation in the contract.
"common law rights" never hold up in court. Please prove me wrong.
The "real trick" is to not sign the damn contract. There is no other trick.
How do they prove you signed the document? Unless they have video (which they probably do) of you signing it, it would seem that the "beyond reasonable doubt" would apply (there is plenty of reasonable doubt that a signature that does not match your normal signature is not you)
I've wondered this myself. I don't know the answer, but I do know that evil corporate and government lawyers spend countless hours figuring out ways to screw us, and they are better at their game than we are, so I just always presume that they have ways of exposing me if I lie. Best policy is to always be honest.
No.
Are you a lawyer? Because I'm not, but that doesn't seem right somehow...any sauce besides anecdotal?
Thanks anon
Not a lawyer. However, if you submit incorrect information, such as signing the wrong name on a legal document, it can render the entire contract invalid or liability waiver unenforceable.
I most cases, it's also not illegal. If someone hands me a document to quickly read and sign, especially liability waiver forms or permission forms, then I quickly read it and sign any name or phrase I want. It's not my signature. You asked me to read it and sign, so I did.
You cannot do that on some government forms that require legal verification of identity under penalty of law. If they require your photo ID, drivers license or passport first to verify its really you... then signing the document with a false name often is illegal.
However, if I'm going into an event or an activity that requires waiving legal liability and you didn't check my photo ID first, or even do the most basic checks to verify my real identity before requesting that I sign... then you get an illegitimate contract. Signed, Vincent van Gogh. Enforce that in court. 😀
This is terrible advice.
Remarkably terrible advice. What he’s encouraging is fraud, and depending on what name you write, it could arguably be called identity theft.
You may write on tje contract ""I do not understand" the meaning is much deeper than not comprehending.