Respectfully, you're conflating Israel in the Bible w/ the nation of Israel today. They are not one and the same.
If you don't believe me, ask ChatGPT or Grok this simple question:
Is it possible for me to support Israel, the chosen people of God, while at the same time being critical of the recent actions of Israel, in which they bombed Iran preemptively?
Evangelicals like Covidiots will have a very hard time admitting they were duped. They will choose Israel over America at the precipice. All the Zionists and Evangelical heretics will come out of the woodwork if Trump refuses to fight for Israel. Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Charlie Kirk etc.
I don't know that all were duped as you say. For some, they simply haven't dug deeply enough into the nuances, which is a lot of us on a lot of topics, actually.
On your second point? I believe you're 100% right.
Yeah thatās true in some cases. I have yet to meet an Evangelical that is sound in scripture, theology and church history. Not trying to sound like an arrogant smart ass but I just havenāt.
I am converting to Catholicism but in general I find that Catholics, Orthodox and High Church Protestants are much more knowledgeable about what they believe and why they do. High Church Protestants can debate me and bring up good points. Evangelicals though just say things that are just blatantly false and generally have no concept about why they believe what they believe.
On my journey back to Christ in the past year I tried an Evangelical church and it just felt too individualized and not really about worshipping Christ and instead it was partaking in cult of personality of the pastor. It felt strange. Too many theatrics. Between that and really deep diving into theology I just donāt get it.
As a recovering fundamental Baptist, I share your pain. It wasn't until I found the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) that I found pastor and congregants with a real solid grasp of Scripture, theology, and church history. And the fact that my views on secondary doctrine hadn't yet fully evolved wasn't a show-stopper for them. It was like coming home.
Sadly, here in Peru (where I'm currently living), there's little Evangelical expression outside of the big cities - which I stay away from if at all possible.
Just think, Brewer: one day, beyond all that we can see, we'll finally worship as one church, Christ's church in Heaven. What a day that'll be.
Haters aside. All Israel wants from the US is a few MOPs which only the US can deliver by way of B-2 spirit stealth bomber. Otherwise, they would not need US involvement. To take out the deep nuclear site in Fordow they need the mother of all bombs - MOPs. Trump had already moved those assets into the area. So, it sounds like Israel will go ahead without the help of the US. They plan on hitting Fordow tonight. It will take repeated strikes. No guarantee they will be able to destroy the site. A nuclear armed Iran is a DS wet dream.
So, I saw a segment some years ago that talks about āDeath to Americaā.
Itās basically a translation issue. Weād probably say āFuck Americaā, but they donāt convey it that way. The way they convey it is similar to āDeath to Taxesā.
So, Bibi can get fucked or dead. Before that, he can shove this propaganda right up his ass.
Yes - if US gets involved in this right now, guarantee the Iranian sleeper cells in NYC and elsewhere will be activated. If US resists getting involved, it will give more time to possibly ferret them out. Of course, Bibi could initiate an attack in NYC (again) under the guise of it being Iran terrorists, which would get the US masses all worked up again for war. This is a dicey time. Must play it correctly.
USS Liberty- Americans dead.
911 false flag- Americans dead.
Israel attacks Iran, who was two weeks away from centrifuging enough fissile material, to make a nuclear weapon, since the 1970's - America dead! This story sounds like the story of 6 million Jews being at peril since the 1890's!
Israel can get fucked.
Wasn't it this asshole that said he wanted to drain America before bringing it down or some such statement.
Did you notice?
Bibi said, "President Drumph' and then corrected it to Trump. I bet he calls him Drumph in private to mock him.
Also, the newsman said that Bibi's statement, "... was couched in a 'Thank you President Trump, you've been Israel's best friend..."
Bibi DID NOT SAY THAT. He said, "...and I deeply appreciate HIS SUPPORT".
Bibi only wants our taxpayer money, treasure and non-J soldiers to fight HIS battles. NO THANKS.
9/11 dancing jews, selling us tech to the CCP for decades, and the USS Liberty. That's just a start. Fuck them!!
Nope , allow them to "Fuck Themselves!!"
We shall see who ends up "Dead".
God does have a wry sense of humor.
Isreal last might be truer than we know.
I don't believe it is only 'HIS' war.
edit: I may as well go all the way - I stand with Israel and would never turn my back on Israel.
Bibi is corrupt AF, this is not our war. This fool didn't think Iran would strike back? He set his own people up for destruction.
Respectfully, you're conflating Israel in the Bible w/ the nation of Israel today. They are not one and the same.
If you don't believe me, ask ChatGPT or Grok this simple question:
Is it possible for me to support Israel, the chosen people of God, while at the same time being critical of the recent actions of Israel, in which they bombed Iran preemptively?
Evangelicals like Covidiots will have a very hard time admitting they were duped. They will choose Israel over America at the precipice. All the Zionists and Evangelical heretics will come out of the woodwork if Trump refuses to fight for Israel. Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Charlie Kirk etc.
I don't know that all were duped as you say. For some, they simply haven't dug deeply enough into the nuances, which is a lot of us on a lot of topics, actually.
On your second point? I believe you're 100% right.
Yeah thatās true in some cases. I have yet to meet an Evangelical that is sound in scripture, theology and church history. Not trying to sound like an arrogant smart ass but I just havenāt.
I am converting to Catholicism but in general I find that Catholics, Orthodox and High Church Protestants are much more knowledgeable about what they believe and why they do. High Church Protestants can debate me and bring up good points. Evangelicals though just say things that are just blatantly false and generally have no concept about why they believe what they believe.
On my journey back to Christ in the past year I tried an Evangelical church and it just felt too individualized and not really about worshipping Christ and instead it was partaking in cult of personality of the pastor. It felt strange. Too many theatrics. Between that and really deep diving into theology I just donāt get it.
As a recovering fundamental Baptist, I share your pain. It wasn't until I found the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) that I found pastor and congregants with a real solid grasp of Scripture, theology, and church history. And the fact that my views on secondary doctrine hadn't yet fully evolved wasn't a show-stopper for them. It was like coming home.
Sadly, here in Peru (where I'm currently living), there's little Evangelical expression outside of the big cities - which I stay away from if at all possible.
Just think, Brewer: one day, beyond all that we can see, we'll finally worship as one church, Christ's church in Heaven. What a day that'll be.
Yes we will have a pint in Heaven!
Amen! First one's on me!
Haters aside. All Israel wants from the US is a few MOPs which only the US can deliver by way of B-2 spirit stealth bomber. Otherwise, they would not need US involvement. To take out the deep nuclear site in Fordow they need the mother of all bombs - MOPs. Trump had already moved those assets into the area. So, it sounds like Israel will go ahead without the help of the US. They plan on hitting Fordow tonight. It will take repeated strikes. No guarantee they will be able to destroy the site. A nuclear armed Iran is a DS wet dream.
I don't particularly agree with you, but we can disagree around here on issues. That is why I like it here.
You mean, fake jew Israel, right?
So, I saw a segment some years ago that talks about āDeath to Americaā.
Itās basically a translation issue. Weād probably say āFuck Americaā, but they donāt convey it that way. The way they convey it is similar to āDeath to Taxesā.
So, Bibi can get fucked or dead. Before that, he can shove this propaganda right up his ass.
Yes - if US gets involved in this right now, guarantee the Iranian sleeper cells in NYC and elsewhere will be activated. If US resists getting involved, it will give more time to possibly ferret them out. Of course, Bibi could initiate an attack in NYC (again) under the guise of it being Iran terrorists, which would get the US masses all worked up again for war. This is a dicey time. Must play it correctly.
Sounds like a threat. Fuck you bi bi.
Israel is stolen land
we've paid Israel 3b in aide since 1985, which was increased to 3.6b since 2016, ...and they have universal healthcare
USS Liberty- Americans dead. 911 false flag- Americans dead. Israel attacks Iran, who was two weeks away from centrifuging enough fissile material, to make a nuclear weapon, since the 1970's - America dead! This story sounds like the story of 6 million Jews being at peril since the 1890's!
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Yo, Bibi -- do you understand, "Israel last?"