You can blame the Scofield reference Bible about 200 years ago which spread the virtually unheard of endtimes position of darbyism or premillennial dispensationalism.
This Bible was the first study Bible and it had footnotes explaining passages and concepts and this kooky fringe eschatological position that puts Israel Central to Future fulfillment of prophecy was injected into these footnotes.
Unfortunately this Bible was widely adopted by pastors and seminaries and this view of the end times and framing of Israel to be somehow Central to Christianity became the prominent belief.
So basically this Bible and the people that published it interjected a huge lie into the Christian church that is still prevalent today.
You know which industry had a disproportionate amount of Jews in it around the early 1900s? Book publishers and distributors.
Israel doesn't matter anymore in scripture. Jerusalem & the Temple was destroyed in 70AD by Rome's armies, on time and as promised by Jesus & Daniel & Revelation. All that crazy destruction language was about that event. That's a wrap on those prophecies. The 3rd temple doesn't matter. The red heifer doesn't matter. That's all BS interpretations that Christians didn't believe for 1800 years. It's done.
God wins.... down here. Jesus is reigning right now as His Word goes forth and grows. There will be NO END to His kingdom.
Sigh. Nobody "killed" Jesus. You make it sound like if it hadn't been for these "killers" Jesus would have lived a happy, healthy life. Jesus came here to sacrifice himself for us. For you. He didn't have to. He did it out of love. Just stop with the "Them killed Jesus" nonsense. Not to mention lumping anyone who identifies as a Christian into the same category. Plenty of Christians know there is a difference between the state of Israel and the Jewish people. Just like there is a difference between the Deep State here in America and real Americans.
That was the satanic asshoe,we are fighting today.
And we all know that their are good people rulled by assholes all around the world. I don't feel the need to make the disclaimer when it comes to jews anymore than I need to make it for the good people in Iran.
Read the Bible, Fren. God punished Jesus, who was made sin. God hates sin. Jesus died because he was made sin. Jesus became all sin. All the sin from before he was crucified, all the sin from his time, and all the sin to come. That's why he died. To pay for sin. Then he defeated death, so we could also defeat death through him, despite our sin. Accept that now, and accept his gift. God bless you, and have a good night.
"Nobody 'killed' Jesus. . . Just stop with "Them [sic] killed Jesus nonsense" (nopus).
Your statement is false. Apostle Paul refutes your lie with his affirmation articulated in the passage following:
"For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last" (I Thessalonians 2:14-15 New International Version).
The Jews kill Jesus Christ and the prophets as stated in text italicized explicitly. Are you calling Apostle Paul a liar or are you the liar?
Don't you think this translation would be more apt given WWG1WGA ?
"For brethren, ye are become followers of the Churches of God, which in Judea are in Christ Jesus, because ye have also suffered the same things of your own country men, even as they have of the Jews,
"Who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own Prophets, and have persecuted us away, [e]and God they please not, and are contrary to all men, --1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 -- 1599 Geneva Bible
I answer your question with a no based on the comparative meaning of the text italicized in your reply.
Christians posit an argument contrary to zionism, Jewish supremacy, et cetera through peaceful discourse. Israelis express hostility toward Christians by spitting on them.
A counterargument in words to an ideology has nothing in common with persecution just short of violence.
Look very closely at this link and dive into John Nelson Darby, his background and when he became popular. In addition, take a look at the Scofield Reference Bible and when this became popular. The futuristic view of the Bible did not exist until this happened.
Just wanted to make sure we had the same working definition. I’m familiar with the official one. It’s always hard to tell if the same meaning is in mind with certain words though.
Why do such Christians want to bring on the end of the World and the Second Coming anyway??
It will come in God's Time. Only God knows.
Seems heresy to me, to force God's hand with policy decisions based on off-the-wall "predictions" from "prophesy". Might as well join the Hale Bop Comet.
Thank you, my thoughts exactly it will come in God's time not ours. It reminds me of when I read about the Tigris and Euphrates rivers drying up... well that's because they were dammed up by man, not the hand of God the same thing with Israel becoming a nation. The land was purchased by a Rothschild one of the most evilest of evil and given to them to occupy.
There's so many man made things trying to make this happen, where is God in all of this.
We will know the spirit by the fruits. this war and all this death is not good fruit it's blood sacrifices for what I don't know but I don't call it good.
Imagine a family member threatening to go apostate rather than consider that the income tax might be invalid and look at ways to avoid paying it.
All over “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”, with NO consideration of what that might actually mean or why it might have been said.
It is very literally an assertion that the person is only following Jesus because Jesus can be seen as agreeing to support Caesar. Who’s this person’s actual “god”?
I read an article from a Lutheran pastor that said the actual quote was something like” render unto Caesar what Caesar DESERVES and render unto God what God deserves. The word deserves was interpreted differently.
first off, The federal and state government are not Caesar regardless of how we interpret that scripture. 2) No one who is wise christian or otherwise pays taxes to anyone. The bad guys aren't the only ones who have NGOs, 508c1a orgs, etc.
I mean, I still pay taxes, but only because I haven’t figured out precisely how not to yet.
“Caesar” colloquially means the Roman “god”, or as I understand it, the unquestionable, unchecked, universal, highest authority of the jurisdiction.
Both the government levels here would love to be in that mode. California has acted like it applies to them, and the feds are certainly always pushing for it.
We’ve been paying taxes to whatever entity owns the federal reserve.
Our legislation has been written by the UN and foreigners and oligarchs.
Our “representatives” have been selected by whoever runs the voting machines.
We have been subject to Roman Civic Law, not US/English Common Law.
Don’t get me wrong, I think we are in the process of getting these things back, but I could keep listing grievances for quite a while. If you read the Declaration of Independence, a lot of those same grievances are in play today, and to similar not-“The People” powers.
If the government is “of” the people, try arresting a police officer for false witness and entrapment. The non-magisterial administrative courts will proceed to throw you in prison without a jury trial, and the jury likely would have agreed with them anyway.
Long story short, we all have work to do, and none of us are here, neither earnest posters nor shills, because things have been working the way they’re supposed to.
That goes right along with in believing God puts alm politicians in office. The authority God speaks ofnis the leadership in the church and I'm not talking about denominational leaders. Nobody received a gift ministry by going to seminary school.
Welcome Brethren, to the North Weston Ministerial Congregation of the Holy Blessed Virgin, Antiochal Baptist Church, led by Pastor Bob, who just got his Ordainment license down at the county clerk’s office and would love to bless you for chipping in $1.25 to handle the costs of that, and post-service congregational lunch buffet down at Denny’s. All donations are tax deductible.
To be fair, not all of these traps are easy to get out of or circumvent.
Current Israel isn't "the Jews". Khazars aren't the Jews. No one is really "the jews" and even if they were; Yeshua (Jesus) the Christ tells us the truth about this whole issue when they were "the Jews" 2000 years ago in Matthew 3:9
Don’t just say to each other, ‘We’re safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.’ That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones.
If God incarnate says It Means Nothing. i think that its safe to say that it means nothing.
Christ means everything. We are all equal in Christ.
That was part of the old covenant which Yeshua the Christ fulfilled and ended with his death and resurrection. All of those who accept forgiveness from sin from Yeshua the Christ are in the new covenant of his blood that was shed for all people. The old covenant is fulfilled and ended 2000 years ago.
So the Ten Commandments (Old Testament) is ended also? Is that your position?
If yes… WOW. The only part of Gods Word written by His own hand in STONE.
If no, then what is or isn’t “Old Covenant “ and how can tell what is or is not? The only thing I can think of that we’re specifically removed was animal sacrificing, some Jesus is now the Lamb.
Are you really that deceived...?...or maybe you believe in Judaism?.... Yeshua the Christ is God and the more you worship the small country and their idolatry the further you get from him....
Here is what God says:
in Matthew 5
Eye for Eye (from Exodus 21 which is one chapter away from the ten commandments where it also says you should be put to death for cursing your mother or father. Real civilized right?)
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[b] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
If you really think the old covenant should still be in place then you are crazy. There are dozens of old covenant laws that are barbaric and go against all worldwide and modern human rights laws.
You obviously think the 10 Commandments- the LITERAL WORD OF GOD has been supplanted.
I never said that, captain logical fallacy. Yeshua never said that either.
"A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man"."
Since you seem to be a Zionist or at least a simp you should check and see if mossad is desperate enough to be hiring mid-wit shills. The pay is probably great. ...They have been taking a lot of damage lately...
I really have a difficult time with calling those that practice judaism are God's chosen people. They do not accept Christ as their savior, and therefore they end up in the same place as the muslims they fight with. So what do christians really mean when they say jews are God's chosen people?
Anyone that reads the OT will see that Israel and Judah were NOT a righteous people. As a matter of fact, God punished them many times for turning away from Him but God says He would not break His covenant with Abraham. How strong was that covenant?
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
This from Gab is called "replacement theology" first introduced by Augustine. It is not scriptural. Do not get me wrong, Israel is rotten--not all the people---just like our government but with one difference. God gave HIS land to Israel because of a promise to Abraham. If you read Ezek.36, God says He will bring them back to the land to PROVE He is God. Before you say the Rothshield's brought Israel back to the land, God used Cyrus--a Persian--to bring Israel back to the land in the OT. Everything in the bible revolves around Jerusalem. A city of little importance except for it's religious culture. It will be the place of the final battle. Do not be deceived.
Replacement theology is an invented term by zionists. Covenant theology and dispensationalists invented the term Replacement theology to disparage the church in Christ that doesn't hold to their theology on carnal Israel. Carnal Israel is lost Israel, they need a Savior.
And while we all long for nations to experience, revival, salvation, doesn’t come to a nation. It comes to an individual. Israel needs that just like any other country. A revival that sweeps individual hearts into the Kingdom of God through Jesus Christ.
They might have invented the "term" but it was Augustine ---not the Apostles or the Bible --- that put this forward saying the church replaced the Israel. A doctrine from the mouth of Satan himself. Yes Israel needs a Savior as we all do and according to the Gospel, they will be saved after the Tribulation. The first Holocaust saw the Jews loose 1/3 of their population. The Tribulation will see 2/3rds of them die. Zach 12-14
I don't follow any of the "church fathers". I don't care about Augustine. I follow Jesus Christ and His Kingdom by the Holy Spirit. Natural Israel must turn to Jesus Christ, just like any other nation. Nations are carnal inventions. Carnal Israel is not special. Zionists, no matter what church father they claim to follow, make a Carnal nation of Israel to be God's chosen people. Zionism is a carnal PSYOP. I hope you see that, and quit fighting for carnal, lost, Israel.
I just follow what the Bible teaches and if you would read the OT for what it says you would find that God sets up kingdoms on this earth and gives them to who He pleases.
Yes friend. The kingdom is established in spiritual, Zion. Revelation 14:1 says so. I have no imagination that I can turn the carnal church. At least you get to here the kingdom in Christ message. The church is victorious in Christ and lives from the new creation kingdom now. No carnal kingdom is promised. The spiritual kingdom is established. See Ephesians 1:3.
Revelation 14:1 is not an allegory. The 144,000 are of the tribes of Israel and not some allegory referring to the church. After the first 5 chapters of Rev, everything turns Jewish in nature because the church is in heaven---the Rapture has taken place and God is about to pour out His wrath on the earth.
Friend, the book of of Revelation is not carnal, about carnal nations or carnal things. The Christian church is dragged off into carnality by the carnal futurist interpretation of Revelation. The doctrine you've been fed and accepted is what fuels the carnal PSYOP.
I'd love to debate your points, and will if you'd like. We can set up a debate at my .win site. Here's the address.
The RevelationOfJesusChrist .win forum discusses the spiritual/idealist interpretation of Revelation as the original interpretation of Revelation by the original Christian church.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ is the original faith delivered to the saints, the church blessed in heavenly places, and made accepted in Jesus Christ. (see Jude 1:3 and Ephesians 1:1-6)
But this idea that Iran would suicide it's entirely country to nuke Israel or USA (not through missle, but by smuggling it in through the trade system) is concerning
Quote found on this board,
"It is not the chronic liars that we need to be concerned about, it's the compulsive believers that enable them."
Truth.
Jesus himself,had problems with the snakes,and they killed him.
And so many early church fathers and theologians said the same things about them. So did the Protestant reformers.
Yet some Evangelical will tell me 1900 years of Christians were somehow wrong
Christian used to know who killed Jesus.
Now not so much.
You can blame the Scofield reference Bible about 200 years ago which spread the virtually unheard of endtimes position of darbyism or premillennial dispensationalism.
This Bible was the first study Bible and it had footnotes explaining passages and concepts and this kooky fringe eschatological position that puts Israel Central to Future fulfillment of prophecy was injected into these footnotes.
Unfortunately this Bible was widely adopted by pastors and seminaries and this view of the end times and framing of Israel to be somehow Central to Christianity became the prominent belief.
So basically this Bible and the people that published it interjected a huge lie into the Christian church that is still prevalent today.
You know which industry had a disproportionate amount of Jews in it around the early 1900s? Book publishers and distributors.
Israel doesn't matter anymore in scripture. Jerusalem & the Temple was destroyed in 70AD by Rome's armies, on time and as promised by Jesus & Daniel & Revelation. All that crazy destruction language was about that event. That's a wrap on those prophecies. The 3rd temple doesn't matter. The red heifer doesn't matter. That's all BS interpretations that Christians didn't believe for 1800 years. It's done.
God wins.... down here. Jesus is reigning right now as His Word goes forth and grows. There will be NO END to His kingdom.
Yup I know the back story fren. Sam Untermeyer and the Oxford American press.
This article on the Rothschilds says that they funded Scofield: https://prepareforchange.net/2025/06/19/the-hidden-hand-unraveling-the-rothschilds-israel/?
Thank you!
Sigh. Nobody "killed" Jesus. You make it sound like if it hadn't been for these "killers" Jesus would have lived a happy, healthy life. Jesus came here to sacrifice himself for us. For you. He didn't have to. He did it out of love. Just stop with the "Them killed Jesus" nonsense. Not to mention lumping anyone who identifies as a Christian into the same category. Plenty of Christians know there is a difference between the state of Israel and the Jewish people. Just like there is a difference between the Deep State here in America and real Americans.
They did kill him.
That was the satanic asshoe,we are fighting today.
And we all know that their are good people rulled by assholes all around the world. I don't feel the need to make the disclaimer when it comes to jews anymore than I need to make it for the good people in Iran.
Its understood among mature adults.
Read the Bible, Fren. God punished Jesus, who was made sin. God hates sin. Jesus died because he was made sin. Jesus became all sin. All the sin from before he was crucified, all the sin from his time, and all the sin to come. That's why he died. To pay for sin. Then he defeated death, so we could also defeat death through him, despite our sin. Accept that now, and accept his gift. God bless you, and have a good night.
I'm familer with it.
But my statement was still correct,he didn't nail himself to the cross,like one of Hilary 's suicides.
"Nobody 'killed' Jesus. . . Just stop with "Them [sic] killed Jesus nonsense" (nopus).
Your statement is false. Apostle Paul refutes your lie with his affirmation articulated in the passage following:
The Jews kill Jesus Christ and the prophets as stated in text italicized explicitly. Are you calling Apostle Paul a liar or are you the liar?
Man I love a good biblical smack down against heresy. Well done fren.
Don't you think this translation would be more apt given WWG1WGA ?
"For brethren, ye are become followers of the Churches of God, which in Judea are in Christ Jesus, because ye have also suffered the same things of your own country men, even as they have of the Jews,
"Who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own Prophets, and have persecuted us away, [e]and God they please not, and are contrary to all men, --1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 -- 1599 Geneva Bible
I answer your question with a no based on the comparative meaning of the text italicized in your reply.
Christians posit an argument contrary to zionism, Jewish supremacy, et cetera through peaceful discourse. Israelis express hostility toward Christians by spitting on them.
A counterargument in words to an ideology has nothing in common with persecution just short of violence.
"contrary" ≠ "hostile"
Well put .
That Scofield Bible has done so much damage.
Bingo!
Curious, what’s your understanding of the word “dispensationalism”?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
Look very closely at this link and dive into John Nelson Darby, his background and when he became popular. In addition, take a look at the Scofield Reference Bible and when this became popular. The futuristic view of the Bible did not exist until this happened.
Just wanted to make sure we had the same working definition. I’m familiar with the official one. It’s always hard to tell if the same meaning is in mind with certain words though.
Full blog post here
https://news.gab.com/2025/06/the-real-battle-is-here-at-home-not-in-the-middle-east/
God bless you all and let us rejoice in the beautiful day the Lord has made!
u/#howdareyou
But seriously, this is right on the money. Every Christian needs to accept this.
Why do such Christians want to bring on the end of the World and the Second Coming anyway??
It will come in God's Time. Only God knows.
Seems heresy to me, to force God's hand with policy decisions based on off-the-wall "predictions" from "prophesy". Might as well join the Hale Bop Comet.
Cause it is heresy.
Thank you, my thoughts exactly it will come in God's time not ours. It reminds me of when I read about the Tigris and Euphrates rivers drying up... well that's because they were dammed up by man, not the hand of God the same thing with Israel becoming a nation. The land was purchased by a Rothschild one of the most evilest of evil and given to them to occupy. There's so many man made things trying to make this happen, where is God in all of this.
We will know the spirit by the fruits. this war and all this death is not good fruit it's blood sacrifices for what I don't know but I don't call it good.
Amen. 🙏💪🌎
💯!!
Yup which is why I say Evangelicals will put Israel before Christ when push comes to shove.
Imagine a family member threatening to go apostate rather than consider that the income tax might be invalid and look at ways to avoid paying it.
All over “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”, with NO consideration of what that might actually mean or why it might have been said.
It is very literally an assertion that the person is only following Jesus because Jesus can be seen as agreeing to support Caesar. Who’s this person’s actual “god”?
I read an article from a Lutheran pastor that said the actual quote was something like” render unto Caesar what Caesar DESERVES and render unto God what God deserves. The word deserves was interpreted differently.
It’s not even necessary to change the wording to get that meaning, that’s what it says even as written.
“Render to Caesar what is his”
Well, what IS his?
Elsewhere in the Bible
Psalm 24:1 - The Earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof
Oh. So if EVERYTHING is God’s, does that mean NOTHING is Caesar’s?
Now obviously, if you owe a man something for valid reasons, you do in fact owe that debt. So what would be Caesar’s valid reason?
first off, The federal and state government are not Caesar regardless of how we interpret that scripture. 2) No one who is wise christian or otherwise pays taxes to anyone. The bad guys aren't the only ones who have NGOs, 508c1a orgs, etc.
I mean, I still pay taxes, but only because I haven’t figured out precisely how not to yet.
“Caesar” colloquially means the Roman “god”, or as I understand it, the unquestionable, unchecked, universal, highest authority of the jurisdiction.
Both the government levels here would love to be in that mode. California has acted like it applies to them, and the feds are certainly always pushing for it.
This is a government by the people for the people, not for Rome or the king of England.
We’ve been paying taxes to whatever entity owns the federal reserve.
Our legislation has been written by the UN and foreigners and oligarchs.
Our “representatives” have been selected by whoever runs the voting machines.
We have been subject to Roman Civic Law, not US/English Common Law.
Don’t get me wrong, I think we are in the process of getting these things back, but I could keep listing grievances for quite a while. If you read the Declaration of Independence, a lot of those same grievances are in play today, and to similar not-“The People” powers.
If the government is “of” the people, try arresting a police officer for false witness and entrapment. The non-magisterial administrative courts will proceed to throw you in prison without a jury trial, and the jury likely would have agreed with them anyway.
Long story short, we all have work to do, and none of us are here, neither earnest posters nor shills, because things have been working the way they’re supposed to.
Lots of Latin in American Law....are you certain ?
That goes right along with in believing God puts alm politicians in office. The authority God speaks ofnis the leadership in the church and I'm not talking about denominational leaders. Nobody received a gift ministry by going to seminary school.
To be fair, not all of these traps are easy to get out of or circumvent.
"First unto the Jews, and then unto the Gentiles..."
Current Israel isn't "the Jews". Khazars aren't the Jews. No one is really "the jews" and even if they were; Yeshua (Jesus) the Christ tells us the truth about this whole issue when they were "the Jews" 2000 years ago in Matthew 3:9
If God incarnate says It Means Nothing. i think that its safe to say that it means nothing. Christ means everything. We are all equal in Christ.
Genesis 12:3.
That was part of the old covenant which Yeshua the Christ fulfilled and ended with his death and resurrection. All of those who accept forgiveness from sin from Yeshua the Christ are in the new covenant of his blood that was shed for all people. The old covenant is fulfilled and ended 2000 years ago.
Nope. I suppose the best thing is to agree to disagree.
So the Ten Commandments (Old Testament) is ended also? Is that your position?
If yes… WOW. The only part of Gods Word written by His own hand in STONE.
If no, then what is or isn’t “Old Covenant “ and how can tell what is or is not? The only thing I can think of that we’re specifically removed was animal sacrificing, some Jesus is now the Lamb.
Are you really that deceived...?...or maybe you believe in Judaism?.... Yeshua the Christ is God and the more you worship the small country and their idolatry the further you get from him....
Here is what God says:
in Matthew 5
Eye for Eye (from Exodus 21 which is one chapter away from the ten commandments where it also says you should be put to death for cursing your mother or father. Real civilized right?)
If you really think the old covenant should still be in place then you are crazy. There are dozens of old covenant laws that are barbaric and go against all worldwide and modern human rights laws.
I never said that, captain logical fallacy. Yeshua never said that either.
"A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man"."
Since you seem to be a Zionist or at least a simp you should check and see if mossad is desperate enough to be hiring mid-wit shills. The pay is probably great. ...They have been taking a lot of damage lately...
I really have a difficult time with calling those that practice judaism are God's chosen people. They do not accept Christ as their savior, and therefore they end up in the same place as the muslims they fight with. So what do christians really mean when they say jews are God's chosen people?
Anyone that reads the OT will see that Israel and Judah were NOT a righteous people. As a matter of fact, God punished them many times for turning away from Him but God says He would not break His covenant with Abraham. How strong was that covenant? Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
This from Gab is called "replacement theology" first introduced by Augustine. It is not scriptural. Do not get me wrong, Israel is rotten--not all the people---just like our government but with one difference. God gave HIS land to Israel because of a promise to Abraham. If you read Ezek.36, God says He will bring them back to the land to PROVE He is God. Before you say the Rothshield's brought Israel back to the land, God used Cyrus--a Persian--to bring Israel back to the land in the OT. Everything in the bible revolves around Jerusalem. A city of little importance except for it's religious culture. It will be the place of the final battle. Do not be deceived.
Replacement theology is an invented term by zionists. Covenant theology and dispensationalists invented the term Replacement theology to disparage the church in Christ that doesn't hold to their theology on carnal Israel. Carnal Israel is lost Israel, they need a Savior.
https://x.com/Truthwins116/status/1935908689539743876
And while we all long for nations to experience, revival, salvation, doesn’t come to a nation. It comes to an individual. Israel needs that just like any other country. A revival that sweeps individual hearts into the Kingdom of God through Jesus Christ.
100%
💪
They might have invented the "term" but it was Augustine ---not the Apostles or the Bible --- that put this forward saying the church replaced the Israel. A doctrine from the mouth of Satan himself. Yes Israel needs a Savior as we all do and according to the Gospel, they will be saved after the Tribulation. The first Holocaust saw the Jews loose 1/3 of their population. The Tribulation will see 2/3rds of them die. Zach 12-14
I don't follow any of the "church fathers". I don't care about Augustine. I follow Jesus Christ and His Kingdom by the Holy Spirit. Natural Israel must turn to Jesus Christ, just like any other nation. Nations are carnal inventions. Carnal Israel is not special. Zionists, no matter what church father they claim to follow, make a Carnal nation of Israel to be God's chosen people. Zionism is a carnal PSYOP. I hope you see that, and quit fighting for carnal, lost, Israel.
I just follow what the Bible teaches and if you would read the OT for what it says you would find that God sets up kingdoms on this earth and gives them to who He pleases.
Yes friend. The kingdom is established in spiritual, Zion. Revelation 14:1 says so. I have no imagination that I can turn the carnal church. At least you get to here the kingdom in Christ message. The church is victorious in Christ and lives from the new creation kingdom now. No carnal kingdom is promised. The spiritual kingdom is established. See Ephesians 1:3.
Revelation 14:1 is not an allegory. The 144,000 are of the tribes of Israel and not some allegory referring to the church. After the first 5 chapters of Rev, everything turns Jewish in nature because the church is in heaven---the Rapture has taken place and God is about to pour out His wrath on the earth.
Friend, the book of of Revelation is not carnal, about carnal nations or carnal things. The Christian church is dragged off into carnality by the carnal futurist interpretation of Revelation. The doctrine you've been fed and accepted is what fuels the carnal PSYOP.
I'd love to debate your points, and will if you'd like. We can set up a debate at my .win site. Here's the address.
The RevelationOfJesusChrist .win forum discusses the spiritual/idealist interpretation of Revelation as the original interpretation of Revelation by the original Christian church.
https://patriots.win/c/RevelationOfJesusChrist/new
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ is the original faith delivered to the saints, the church blessed in heavenly places, and made accepted in Jesus Christ. (see Jude 1:3 and Ephesians 1:1-6)
The book of Revelation is not a zionist prophecy.
The only One that will save the Jewish people will be God, it doesn’t matter what any of us believe.
....The only who who saves anyone is God.
Please sticky this!
AMEN !!!
Thank you ILove. God bless
Say it loud, say it proud!
u/#jesuslovespopcorn
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Christians have no obligation to the Khazarian Mafia.
Ditto
Excellent post thank you and here's Mark on the topic https://files.catbox.moe/u4svd5.mp4
Old Testament only.
Hebrews and Romans killed God's incarnate son, yet in this material world, they are 'the chosen'!
Amen
Hmm. I don't really want another war.
But this idea that Iran would suicide it's entirely country to nuke Israel or USA (not through missle, but by smuggling it in through the trade system) is concerning
Lol i remember getting a lot of people upset when i said this on here last year