Trump has been saying this, AND this particular deal has always been on the table. They just didnt bother listening. Much like a lot of Anons here who started reeing "Why does Trump want to supply arms to Ukraine?"
The whole of NATO has been, oh we can't afford it but you go ahead and fund the war... That way Europe can beg off if Putin comes back at them, which he won't (Probably) they are good customers, until they aren't...
Several NATO member states were not notified in advance that they would be asked to fund new arms deliveries to Ukraine under US President Donald Trump’s latest proposal, Reuters has reported, citing European officials.
On Monday, Trump pledged to provide more US-made weapons to Kiev through a new scheme funded by European NATO members. “We’re not buying it,” Trump said during an Oval Office meeting with the bloc’s secretary-general, Mark Rutte. “We will manufacture it, and they’re going to be paying for it.”
Trump noted that the plan is seen by Washington as a business opportunity.
Rutte said six countries – Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, and Canada – were willing to take part in the arms procurement scheme. However, high-ranking sources at the embassies of two of those countries told Reuters they only learned of their supposed participation when the announcement was made.
“It is my clear sense that nobody has been briefed about the exact details in advance,” one European ambassador told Reuters. “And I also suspect that internally in the administration they are only now beginning to sort out what it means in practice.”
Several countries have already distanced themselves from Trump’s plan. According to Politico and La Stampa, France and Italy will not be financially supporting the effort. Hungary and the Czech Republic have also declined to participate, with Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala saying Prague is focusing on other projects.
Tried to fetch the Reuters link, but it's paywalled and archive says there are four copies, but none were accessible to me.
It just shows the impotence of NATO. These people will argue over who’s going to pay for the weapons, who’s going to set up the bureaucracy and how its going to be accomplished. They’ll all fight for their piece of the grift, and nothing will ever get delivered. This way President Rump can pretend to his bosses in the Deep State he’s doing something without anything getting done. He’s hoping Putin get’s off his lazy butt and routs the Ukrainians, like he should have done a year ago!
PDJT IS USING THE SYSTEM AGAINST THE NATO COUNTRIES...they don't want the war to end because of the monies coming in for "poor Ukrainians refugee(s) status"!!!!!!!!!
I was over there in Europe when the Serbian War broke out and EVERYONE was on the bandwagon to get arms & such but the United States HAD TO SUPPLY THE MATERIALS!!!!! Just like they are "trying" to do now!!!!
Several countries have already distanced themselves from Trump’s plan. According to Politico and La Stampa, France and Italy will not be financially supporting the effort. Hungary and the Czech Republic have also declined to participate, with Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala saying Prague is focusing on other projects.
And they canbe now painted as "Not caring about Ukraine", kek!
Hehe - Sure OK fine I will send weapons. Here is the bill. What? now you aren't so keen? I guess you don't think it's as important as you were telling me? Pay and get them or don't pay and don't, your call.
I prefer isolationism. There's no loss for us, and even better if we forcefully kick out all illegals, including H1Bs. Especially H1Bs, so Americans can get good jobs and careers.
Back then, the oceans were tremendous barriers to easy access across the world. With the advent of air travel, that changed dramatically.
Isolationism and getting mixed up in everyone's poker game are false alternatives. Having a geographically spread presence is compatible with not meddling in the affairs of other nations.
One could argue that there is no other way. The American people should not have to pay for war on the other side of the world. Not even a little bit.
This is the cold hard fact. Wars cost money. Someone has to pay for it. But has anyone asked the people? Oh wait, Donald Trump did. The people of the USA voted to end the wars.
When a country's once-illustrious cities are full of homeless camps and illegals who are crowding up hotels and motels, causing crime hot-hotspots. Arguably those issues need the appliction of money and thought ... as does the country's failing water infrastruture / roads / municipal buildings / housing / community hubs.
Maybe not spend all of the nation's wealth on propping up some madman with swastika armbands spouting falsehoods? Who's in favor of paying for more weapons for 'elensky? Oh sorry, oops, you have to buy bottled water, because the town water is toxic.
Suddenly, the many-sticks-in-a-bundle management theory fails spectacularly, as each individual stick decides to be crooked and refuses to be tied down...
Just... uh... Curious here. So we are happy that Trump tricked other countries into buying our weapons to send to Ukraine? So... Weren't we like completely opposed to arm Uke and helping to start WW3? That's not mentioning the fact that we are now cheering on selling weapons into a war that does not involve us in order to make arms dealers, arms manufacturers, and war mongers (like Lindsey Graham, and don't forget to vote for him because he never lets us down) in a kind of direct 180 turn from hating war mongers and arms manufaturers that make money selling ars in wars that do not involve us? So next we are cheering on the CIA for fomenting war, seeking Graham's autograph for finding a way to sell arms (through other countries' money, of course) to Russia as well? You fools are as brainwashed to accept the weekly paradigm as bad as the left. WTF happened to the Great Awakening? Lol. More like Great Go Back To Sleep and Think What You Are Told By Trillionaire Megalomaniacal Real Life Bond Vilains. I Renane this board GGBTSTWYATBTMRLBV! Trump is so brilliant! Actually, it is pretty impressive to see how they can even change the views of entire movements into what the movements started off completely against. After multiple bans on this board for stating truth and reality and being told that doesn't fit the GA way of thinking, it's nuts to come back and see what you all have become. Don't forget to vote Graham and fight hard to keep those Epstein files hidden! Can't be doing the work of the Dems now, can we? We'll just do the work of the deep state instead. Araket now signing off the Great Awakening that's no longer any kind of awakening at all.
Just for balance... The proper answer to sending American arms, money, or any kind of military aid to Uke is simple. "No".
And yet we are watching NATO infighting over having to hand money to the USA...
It is brilliant, if it works. We hope that they all say that they cannot afford to cut granny's power to send money to USA ... this, while Trump looks like a hawk.
Furthermore, with all this Epstein noise, we find out that Epstein was involved in Maxwell's cold-war Mossad black operations, inluding international arms-deals (Iran Contra), and that the latter was born in Ukraine - in fact the daughter was replicating the system of corruption, book-cooking and blackmail. What info do the Russians have on Epstein/Maxwell?
Also, if you read Trump's Art of the Deal - there is an element of overstating one's position - so waving the sanctions/weapons deal nonsense is a way of kicking the can down the road - and the Russians will kill some more notsees. Convenient. Keep in mind that the standout, still sanction-free export from Russia to USA is Uranium. At a minimum USA needs to keep the lights on. So I don't think 'bone-crushing santions' are gunna work, but they are still a tool at the heavily symbolic negotation.
Also, I think that Russia is being given '50 days' to wrap things up. The Russians are laughing and "restating their goals". How enfuriating for the Euro-war-mongers - they are caught between stealing from granny to feed American weapons manufacturers, and 'tapping out' so they can get on with their own lives. I don't know what will happen when the 51st day (why that number?), but Trump needs to make hay at home, and that's why I hypothesise that Ukraine is on a sort of 'hold'.
Anyway - I don't appreciate you lumping the GAW community into a pro-Graham camp. Very odd.
Also, there is a rule to not grief people. Just cool it down. Drink some water or something.
Trump has been saying this, AND this particular deal has always been on the table. They just didnt bother listening. Much like a lot of Anons here who started reeing "Why does Trump want to supply arms to Ukraine?"
YUGE smile on me silly face.
GOD BLESS OUR DJT !!
The whole of NATO has been, oh we can't afford it but you go ahead and fund the war... That way Europe can beg off if Putin comes back at them, which he won't (Probably) they are good customers, until they aren't...
The show requires arms to Ukraine.
Not happening unless NATO can pay for it 🤣
Several NATO member states were not notified in advance that they would be asked to fund new arms deliveries to Ukraine under US President Donald Trump’s latest proposal, Reuters has reported, citing European officials.
On Monday, Trump pledged to provide more US-made weapons to Kiev through a new scheme funded by European NATO members. “We’re not buying it,” Trump said during an Oval Office meeting with the bloc’s secretary-general, Mark Rutte. “We will manufacture it, and they’re going to be paying for it.”
Trump noted that the plan is seen by Washington as a business opportunity.
Rutte said six countries – Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, and Canada – were willing to take part in the arms procurement scheme. However, high-ranking sources at the embassies of two of those countries told Reuters they only learned of their supposed participation when the announcement was made.
“It is my clear sense that nobody has been briefed about the exact details in advance,” one European ambassador told Reuters. “And I also suspect that internally in the administration they are only now beginning to sort out what it means in practice.”
Several countries have already distanced themselves from Trump’s plan. According to Politico and La Stampa, France and Italy will not be financially supporting the effort. Hungary and the Czech Republic have also declined to participate, with Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala saying Prague is focusing on other projects.
Tried to fetch the Reuters link, but it's paywalled and archive says there are four copies, but none were accessible to me.
best ocmment, IMO
Rofl...intentional wrench in the gears of NATO bureaucracy...hilarious.
PDJT IS USING THE SYSTEM AGAINST THE NATO COUNTRIES...they don't want the war to end because of the monies coming in for "poor Ukrainians refugee(s) status"!!!!!!!!!
I was over there in Europe when the Serbian War broke out and EVERYONE was on the bandwagon to get arms & such but the United States HAD TO SUPPLY THE MATERIALS!!!!! Just like they are "trying" to do now!!!!
Wow so now they believe the deep state exists, but it was Trump who is the DS puppet? Not the other dudes before ?
LOL the finest reaction is from Kallas (stunning and brave).
I take exception to your quote of "President Trump".
That was clearly referring to the previous administration.
And they canbe now painted as "Not caring about Ukraine", kek!
Europe is going to quickly discover that war isn't nearly as much fun when you have to foot the bill.
You mean .... We have to pay for it?
Hehe - Sure OK fine I will send weapons. Here is the bill. What? now you aren't so keen? I guess you don't think it's as important as you were telling me? Pay and get them or don't pay and don't, your call.
🤣
NATO right now:
NATOothless tiger
"What do we still need NATO for?" - DJT
We don't need NATO, but NATO needs us and our overwhelming contribution to the slush fund.
I prefer isolationism. There's no loss for us, and even better if we forcefully kick out all illegals, including H1Bs. Especially H1Bs, so Americans can get good jobs and careers.
I always wondered why isolationism was abandoned - and had to be undone by Pearl Harbor.
Back then, the oceans were tremendous barriers to easy access across the world. With the advent of air travel, that changed dramatically.
Isolationism and getting mixed up in everyone's poker game are false alternatives. Having a geographically spread presence is compatible with not meddling in the affairs of other nations.
Well said.
There is a 1984 book, "Defending a Free Society", that is still good reading. Chapter 6 spells out why the United States needs a strong global navy.
https://www.amazon.com/Defending-Free-Society-Robert-Poole/dp/0669072400
I wonder if all the EU nations that stood with Zelensky will stand by him now?
I wouldn't
'elensky no. 5 pongs, and it kills political careers, like the evil queen's potion. One whiff and you are dead.
"Rutte said six countries – Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, and Canada – were willing to take part in the arms procurement scheme"
aren't these the countries Trump has been repeating in his rallies going way back, when he talks about improving our education system?
One could argue that there is no other way. The American people should not have to pay for war on the other side of the world. Not even a little bit.
This is the cold hard fact. Wars cost money. Someone has to pay for it. But has anyone asked the people? Oh wait, Donald Trump did. The people of the USA voted to end the wars.
When a country's once-illustrious cities are full of homeless camps and illegals who are crowding up hotels and motels, causing crime hot-hotspots. Arguably those issues need the appliction of money and thought ... as does the country's failing water infrastruture / roads / municipal buildings / housing / community hubs.
Maybe not spend all of the nation's wealth on propping up some madman with swastika armbands spouting falsehoods? Who's in favor of paying for more weapons for 'elensky? Oh sorry, oops, you have to buy bottled water, because the town water is toxic.
Insanity.
Now they know.
I think he made his point! Lol
Suddenly, the many-sticks-in-a-bundle management theory fails spectacularly, as each individual stick decides to be crooked and refuses to be tied down...
And just like that, NATO sues for peace :) (hopefully)
NATO buying American weapons with American money.
indeed, but they are arguing now about the money they have to cough up. How much money?
If you were Putin, would you be even the least bit scared?
No, it's one of those moments where one would sit back and eat popcorn. EU is self-immolating in their own propaganda and hatred of Russians.
Just... uh... Curious here. So we are happy that Trump tricked other countries into buying our weapons to send to Ukraine? So... Weren't we like completely opposed to arm Uke and helping to start WW3? That's not mentioning the fact that we are now cheering on selling weapons into a war that does not involve us in order to make arms dealers, arms manufacturers, and war mongers (like Lindsey Graham, and don't forget to vote for him because he never lets us down) in a kind of direct 180 turn from hating war mongers and arms manufaturers that make money selling ars in wars that do not involve us? So next we are cheering on the CIA for fomenting war, seeking Graham's autograph for finding a way to sell arms (through other countries' money, of course) to Russia as well? You fools are as brainwashed to accept the weekly paradigm as bad as the left. WTF happened to the Great Awakening? Lol. More like Great Go Back To Sleep and Think What You Are Told By Trillionaire Megalomaniacal Real Life Bond Vilains. I Renane this board GGBTSTWYATBTMRLBV! Trump is so brilliant! Actually, it is pretty impressive to see how they can even change the views of entire movements into what the movements started off completely against. After multiple bans on this board for stating truth and reality and being told that doesn't fit the GA way of thinking, it's nuts to come back and see what you all have become. Don't forget to vote Graham and fight hard to keep those Epstein files hidden! Can't be doing the work of the Dems now, can we? We'll just do the work of the deep state instead. Araket now signing off the Great Awakening that's no longer any kind of awakening at all. Just for balance... The proper answer to sending American arms, money, or any kind of military aid to Uke is simple. "No".
At the risk of feeding trolls:
And yet we are watching NATO infighting over having to hand money to the USA...
It is brilliant, if it works. We hope that they all say that they cannot afford to cut granny's power to send money to USA ... this, while Trump looks like a hawk.
Furthermore, with all this Epstein noise, we find out that Epstein was involved in Maxwell's cold-war Mossad black operations, inluding international arms-deals (Iran Contra), and that the latter was born in Ukraine - in fact the daughter was replicating the system of corruption, book-cooking and blackmail. What info do the Russians have on Epstein/Maxwell?
Also, if you read Trump's Art of the Deal - there is an element of overstating one's position - so waving the sanctions/weapons deal nonsense is a way of kicking the can down the road - and the Russians will kill some more notsees. Convenient. Keep in mind that the standout, still sanction-free export from Russia to USA is Uranium. At a minimum USA needs to keep the lights on. So I don't think 'bone-crushing santions' are gunna work, but they are still a tool at the heavily symbolic negotation.
Also, I think that Russia is being given '50 days' to wrap things up. The Russians are laughing and "restating their goals". How enfuriating for the Euro-war-mongers - they are caught between stealing from granny to feed American weapons manufacturers, and 'tapping out' so they can get on with their own lives. I don't know what will happen when the 51st day (why that number?), but Trump needs to make hay at home, and that's why I hypothesise that Ukraine is on a sort of 'hold'.
Anyway - I don't appreciate you lumping the GAW community into a pro-Graham camp. Very odd.
Also, there is a rule to not grief people. Just cool it down. Drink some water or something.