They impeached POTUS after he was out of office. Why not impeach Obama
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Impeach doesn’t mean anything. Obummer needs to be confined to a tiny room with no WiFi
Your title is wrong. Trump was still president when he was impeached. He was impeached the 2nd time on Jan. 13, 2021. The newly elected president isn't sworn in until Jan. 20th. So Trump was president and Biden was president-elect.
Yup
They might after everything that has come out. The House can issue an official impeachment investigation (usually done by the house judiciary committee) if their findings support high crimes and misdemeanors, they can put forth a vote, which require a 218-vote simple majority, if all members are present for the vote.
It's a bit of a paper tiger but it could be done.
I agree to the paper-tiger aspect. It would not make much of a difference, except that Trump may be able to reverse some of Obama's doings, also on paper.
The other stuff: the results and outcomes, the off-shore bank-accounts, are harder to undo.
For example, the Ukraine war. The foundations for that, i.e., criminal biolabs, hacking enterprises, black market weapons and money-laundromats, which were set up during Obama's reign, will take considerable time to unravel. In a way, the Russians are doing their bit with that, much to the chagrin of all the cookie-jar owners...
The legal argument for a post term impeachment of a president lies in the fact that a successful impeachment would bar the individual from ever holding public office again.
So, it has some teeth but not much, I wonder if it would also strip his security clearances and remove SS protections and stop his retirement checks.
Two-term limits were set via an Amendment, I believe. It is not as 'concrete' as Articles in the constitution, which had no time-limits, orignially. Still, amendments carry weight.
This was done because Franklin Roosevelt had four terms, and the last years he was basically like Biden, in terms of health. But hey, there was a war on. The lesson learned was: being a president is a hard, and stressful job, all in the public eye. The difference between Roosevelt and Biden was that we had millions of cameras, this time around. The congress in 1947 decided to set boundaries, and allow two terms only - given the example of Washington, who refused a third term, due to feeble health. (Don't mention the war conducted by wifely pen, we think we managed to make it look legit, honest)
I like to compare this precedent with another superpower, but with a man who is healthy: Putin started fairly young (but well qualified, and work-exposed): he did two terms, had Medvedev take a term, and now he is doing a second round of two terms. Of course, Russians actually like that - not only because he is eminently competent, but it also provides stability, and the economy, and all sorts of things, are only impoving - so why vote for someone untested? The Russian people voted for Putin every time, and he only gets more popular.
The argument is: It takes more than eight years to build trust, even when just moving into a new town - here in New Zealand it is a running joke amongst furreners like me, that it takes 15 years before people recognize you and wave out to you, and even then they'll need to see you once a week at the same time, walking.
To compare: in England, it takes about ten years to 'become' a local, but someone will happily strike up a conversation, especiallty in the pub. In New Zealand it is like people are really surprised if you even look at them funny.
In the USA, everyone is something. My favorite quote on that subject is
which I have found applied to just about every person I met. Excepting one blue-collar stranger in a fraying jalopy, who helped me once - never saw him again. The quote is used to describe Mr. Pecksniff, a character in "the Chuzzlewits", by Charles Dickens. The main character travels to the East Coast USA during an election season, and witnesses the spectacle. Mr Pecksniff (note the nasal reference) was known for his hypocrisy and self-serving nature.
So it boils down to choice. Do the people want a competent, popular, well-tested president to have more than two terms? The congress in 1947 said: never again will we subject the American people to a senile-man-in-a-wheelchair, with a wife-ly signature. They decided to pass 22A FOR the people (did the people vote? I guess so). But in a way, the exercise was a cover-up, because those in Washington, sniffing the swamp-vapors, so to speak, KNEW that Rosie-baby was a basket-case. And they remained quiet all that time.
Oh wait. Even one term can suffer that fate ...
Maybe the two-term fix (i.e. 22 Amendment), does not prevent dementia and autopens. Why is 22A even there, if it does not work?
Also Slightly OT. But you see, Obama cannot run again, because of the 22A
Correct, but my point was that after impeachment the impeached can never hold public office of any type again (not just the presidency).
For instance, if Trump wanted to be Governor of Florida after leaving the Presidency he could. Not saying he would do that, but he could.
Would it not also bar post-presidential goverment-/taxpayer-funded "benefits" (ex. security, $/pension, library, etc.)?
I questioned the very same things above.
Ah, yes. 'Missed that.
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Why bother,just charge him and jail him.
I like public gallows myself. but tomatoe tomateo
Correct. Impeachment would be a waste of time and Trump only has 4 years to get everything done. Besides the fact - I'd rather the evidence be used against him in a real criminal trial. Not a political trial that would amount to nothing.
Even if he was impeached and convicted, and could no longer run for any elective office, a criminal trial that ends in a Treason conviction would do that as well - and have real punishment attached.
The Jackholes in CONgress already take off a crapload of time. Why let them take even more time away from their actual jobs to run the clock out to the midterms??
Impeach are you nuts. What the hell would that do absolutely nothing. You dont impeach you imprison him on treason charges, because thats what it is.
agreeing with the sentiment while agreeing with anons who added corrections to how this should have been said.
Obama was an illegit. deep state project foisted on America. Impeach broadly means “to formally accuse someone of wrongdoing, particularly in a legal or official capacity.”
So Congress can impeach Obummer for everything going back to his Senate days.
The Senate can vote to convict Obummer for treason & fraud upon America, and erase his entire [fake] presidency
[an anon raised a point about treason, so here’s a clarification edit, the Senate, in finding Obummer guilty, (if the House were to impeach the entire “presidency 2009-2017 for wrongdoing) would not be finding him guilty in a criminal sense for treason like a criminal court that could impose a penalty for treason — that would be up to a criminal court or tribunal, but the House would impeach 1st after such trial or tribunal & the Senate would subsequently get to do the trial for impeaching retroactively the entire Obummer era.]
The Senate can not vote to convict him of Treason. Only the DOJ can charge him, try him, and do you know - the thing. Impeachment is only a political process - not criminal.
yes
some want a tribunal, and want his entire presidency declared invalid, and as Congress has a duty to the People, they simply pass a resolution declaring that Obummer never was a legitimate president and that treaties he signed, memorandums, laws, and appointments he made were illegitimate.
theft of sovereignty — Vattel, Blackstone, John Locke
Vattel: “sovereignty belongs to the nation; rulers are delegates/trustees of that sovereignty. if a ruler uses power through fraud, foreign intervention, or against the people’s will, he is legitimate. [remedy] The people may resist or refuse obedience, other nations may withdraw recognition of a usurper.”
John Locke: [remedy] “the people have the right to revolt, abolish the government, and restore rightful authority.”
There’s no reason why Congress can’t remedy past wrongs by joint resolution & bylaws declaring that the Obummer years illegitimate decisions are completely null & void.
Except I don't believe they have that power. I think it would have to come from SCOTUS. Don't get me wrong - I'd love to see it. I just don't believe CONgress has that power. Besides - what would stop them from doing that to Trump the next time the demons are in charge? I'm not sure even SCOTUS could do it on it's own without court cases that rise to their level.
Now - John Locke was right. The people could do it if the military didn't stop them. Who knows what would happen at that point though.
you might have the strongest position that Congress does not have the power.
It’s not a numerator that Congress can declare a past occupant of the White House is presidency was not existent.
In contracts law, fraud, vitiates everything. Each president election is a new contract agreement for four years, and whether it is a simple matter that doesn’t need to be a numerator, or it is such a huge deal that it can’t be a power unless it is enumerated, you might have the strongest position, and I’ll agree with you on that
It is probably something that needs to be resolved at some point in the future, or any branch could try it. I'm sure there are a fair amount of rich people that would pay someone dearly to invalidate Trump.
If Obama (or Biden) ends up being invalidated due to fraud I think there will be an amendment created to lawfully outline the process in case future presidents do something similar - like the 25th amendment but with more teeth. Maybe include some stuff like some laws can be revoted on but with an equal number of dems/reps so it can't be ramrodded in by the currently-ruling party. Or make a law for a state-by-state referendum where the state legislatures vote and each state's resulting vote is counted as 1 of 50. The majority of the state votes wins.
I don't know. I just know it will be a huge cluster.
excellent ideas for doing this in a constitutional way that would also prevent misuse of the procedure
Thanks. Hopefully it isn't an afterthought and is being looked at somewhere.
3.5 minimum…
Don't you think Obama is due for a little more than just impeachment?
What is with you people? Of course I do. I want them to take everything from him! Take his Nobel also. You guys act like the left. Like only one thing can happen. I support doing it all. I want everyone to know what 53000 in hotdogs looks like also!!!
Faggot
fuck you I want them to take it all!
The House and Senate won't do jack. Nor will the legal system. I think that's what Bongino is hinting at. Indictments, trials etc. Garbage.
He has finally understood what many of us already have. Government legitimacy is ALL GONE. It can't be recovered. It will have to be the Military.
Treason has no statue of limitations