Referring to the time Q (on purpose) leaked their password that spelled out Pain in 23. 23rd of August? 23 days from now? 23 days from now would be 9/11 not including end date. Poetic justice
Nah, false positive. Check the discussion on this that took place on GAW a month or so ago.
One perspective is that firstly, he was focused on something quite different and then a random asked him the question. If Trump is not familiar with the Il Donaldo account, the question definitely sounds like, "Hay, are you the big daddy?"
He was asked also: are you Batman? the reply: yes. Yes, I am.
But we know batman is a fictional character. So, why did he reply like this?
Too much confirmation bias heavily resting on this random question. For those who want fervently to believe that the Il Donaldo account is Trump, it's all they need. Even if that means ignoring other factors, other possible interpretations. Confirmation Bias.
Rational thinking should be applied.
Why? Purpose? Trump is running the world, and yet he has time to post (oooooh, secret comms) on X, as if we are living in 2019?
If one is not, at a minimum, checking the possibility that confirmation bias is kicking in here, well, that's evidence that it actually is.
update: Newsweek published an article touching on this in Jan, 2022. Newsweek claims that:
A spokesperson for Donald Trump has confirmed to Newsweek that the account has absolutely no connection to the former president.
Now, we can speculate that Newsweek is lying, or we can speculate that, even if the account was somehow Trump's, a spokesperson for him would still deny it, (logically, what else would they do), BUT, other content in the article raises a very important issue for anons:
Among those who believe the account is run by Trump are members of the Dallas QAnon faction that waited for JFK Jr. to emerge in Dealey Plaza last year, and now believe the former President is communicating to them via coded messages.
To wit: how the mass Media propaganda has worked their butts off to create a "Qanon" concept that is fabrication and pure disinformation, and how certain narratives play in to this. That is, how certain beliefs and ideas that are NOT Q, totally play into this agenda that the DS Mockingbird Media had.
Newsweek continues:
In a January 21 live stream shared on a Telegram channel associated with the Dallas QAnon faction, its de facto leader Michael Protzman revealed to tens of thousands of followers his group had attempted to decode a January 18 tweet by Il Donaldo Trumpo, which read: "I'm Batman."
Using Gematria, a type of numerology that allocates words to numbers, Protzman, known to his followers as Negative 48, explained how he had stayed up late in order to decode the message he believed was for his group.
This is what I meant when the other day I commented:
FI: The obsession with Q needs to finish. By which I mean, the entire objective of the Q operation was to get people to learn to think for themselves and break free of group think. Meanwhile, some people have turned Q into their substitute 'religion'.
Q educated us in lots of content that allows us to see so much of what is actually happening today (2025), and where it is headed, a lot that many others who have no grasp of Q cannot see. But, Q stopped posting. That phase of the mission is pretty much over. We've had ooodles of confirmation PLUS morale boosters from DJT himself (example, the wwg1wga music at rallies, etc), boosters from Dan Scavino, but hanging onto beliefs because they are emotionally comforting is not what Q wanted anons to do.
Grasping at straws isn't necessary, either. It's 2025, DJT is very much in control, the Plan is proceeding and we can see the tidal wave of accountability coming, on the horizon, getting closer.
Given all this, personally, I think it's more productive to apply rational thinking, question one's beliefs, at not just buy into them for bias confirmation. BY which I mean, look at the comment Trump made and the thing he said to the reporter (?) who asked him that question, out of the blue, when he was clearly focused on other things, and apply some critical thinking as to what level of proof or evidence this really is. Reasonable doubt means looking for other possible explanations, and giving them the weight they deserve, putting one's own bias aside.
I mean, maybe il Donaldo is a secret Trump account, but that idea is 100% not Q, but is 100% anon, so make of that what you will. Also, there is definitely a case to be made for why it is NOT a secret Trump account. So, I'm just saying, have your beliefs, but recognize them for that they are, and what they are not.
Just some thing funny you posted, you said like he has time to post secret comms on X but lots of people believe that is what he did with his official account and still does with Truth.
Yeah, it could be wrong. But it also could be right. We won't know for some time if ever.
You said like he has time to post secret comms on X but lots of people believe that is what he did with his official account and still does with Truth
Well, let's break that down a bit.
'Secret comms on X (aka twitter)' - during the Q operation (aka posting phase, 2017.10 ~ 2020.12) DJT certainly posted some comms, comms that were 'secret' in the sense that Q followers could understand and grasp the meaning, and which make sense, inasmuch as they created 'q proofs' that helped to validate Q and the Q operation. So, there was a purpose, and a clear result (tangible outcomes).
'and still does with Truth' - the problem here (imo) is with 'lots of people believe'. I personally do not think that the majority of the Q community believe that DJT is posting 'secret' comms on Truth now, but maybe he is.
comms, but secret?
DJT certainly DOES post comms on Truth. All the time. And they have a clear purpose. Shaping the narratives, pushing and shoving and pulling the DS and the public and the entire discourse in directions he wants, directions that he sees as being important to his work and the whole DJT project.
But, are these 'secret comms'? What would be the purpose? Do you or I or anyone who has followed Q or even looked into Q after the fact now or still need some sort of validation? If there are 'secret comms' that he's posting on Truth, what is the purpose? what are the tangible outcomes? Who is he posting 'secret comms' to?
lack of control factors
There is no Q posting anymore to either validate or guide or correct misinterpretations if they appear. So, if there were 'secret comms', this would be like flying a massive jet but without a tail rudder. You have ailerons, which can turn things, but no tail rudder to control the yaw. IOW, is there any corrective function available, now that Q isn't posting? If people come up with incorrect interpretations, or dumb ideas, how could Trump then control the situation?
To me, it seems completely unreasonable for the highest level military operation in history go to a phase where it has a lot less control and security of outcome, by switching to an 'uncontrolled' secret comms phase.
Also, During the Q drop era, it was Q that was informing, guiding, directing. DJT (Q+) was simply validating Q, reinforcing Q, getting anons and others to take Q seriously.
Comms to who?
Comms? Yes, DJT is clearly posting comms. And, he is posting comms that both control the puiblic narrative, impact on DS sectors as well as the general public and the media industrial complex, etc, and then some comms that are meaningful to anons. Like retruthing a post that has a Q meme or Q-related content in it.
But the purpose of those latter ones? Is it to get anons to do stuff? Like when Q would drop? Or are they simply morale boosters. "We're still here folks", "The Plan is still going on" "We're moving ahead". That's not exactly 'secret comms'.
What purpose redundancy?
But then, ok, granted that DJT DOES post comms on Truth, and that some of those comms are meaningful to anons, even if not 'secret' (Secret comms would be like, OK, do this at X time, investigate Y content, verify with Q, etc), why on earth would he want to also do that then on Il Donaldo account AS WELL?
To me, the accumulative leaps in logic, lack of reasoning, make me think the whole proposition makes no sense. So, DJT posting comms to verify during the Q operation and then posting comms in the current phase, when he has returned to the White house, and the work is NOT preparing for 2020-2024 and 2025+, to influence public narratives etc, these make sense to me, but do NOT actually qualify as things that suggest he might be doing it AS WELL on an X parody account.
The How we think is perhaps more important than WHAT we think
I'll keep it a variable like I keep most things.
I can easily support this approach. I think this is very wise. I mean, for me, as a variable, I would say I'm of the view that "90% Papi is not actually DJT, but 10% could be". Others might think its 50/50, or even 70/30, etc.
What I think is problematic is that there are people who call themselves anons but who do not think in those terms. They think "Oh, he most definitely IS DJT. This is a fact! It's not a variable, it's real!!!" And, they treat the output from Papi as equal to Potus.
It's this approach that I think is extremely (I guess, in my current mood) damaging to our work and counter productive to the whole purpose of the Q operation. What Q wanted to accomplish and what Q wants anons to do and how to approach the information war. At some point, if people sign up for dogmatic 'truths', and start to confuse facts with beliefs, variables with 'sure things', it derails the thinking process and the approach, and becomes pseudo-religious and group think. And that's probably the key reason why I oppose that sort of thinking when I see it on the Board.
Focus on tangible outcomes is a key part of evaluation
Because, lets say the Papi is DJT (or DJT's representative). (Even though I find the premise rather nonsensical at this point, but that's MY bias.) What real tangible impact does this or would this accomplish? Does it affect how anons are engaging? What? Using unverifiable hopium? The only people paying attention to this are people who are already pretty much convinced that Q is legit. So, what's the purpose and the value here?
I don't see it. But maybe you can. I'd be happy to hear if someone thinks there are clear, apparent benefits or outcomes of DJT posting via a separate 'parody account'.
Let's not Operation Trust ourselves
There was lots of noise about Operation Trust at a few junctures. Just today, I watched a clip (not on GAW, but I saw it elsewhere) of Tucker Carlson talking about 'Qanon' with some chemistry professor. The professor's conclusion? 'Qanon' was ex-spooks who were fed up with the system, went bad and were trying to divert energy away from what is important. "siphon off energy" was the phrase he used. Essentially, this is the Q is "Operation Trust 2.0" narrative.
But we (I'll assume) know that this is a very bogus interpretation. Q generated energy, rather than siphoning it off or redirecting people AWAY from the real issues.
However, when we (the generic we) start to slip into dogmatic or doctrinal group think, we can begin to create our own operation trust. In other words, some people can end up focusing on things that are not important (such as doing decodes that endlessly give exciting vibes but which have no real practical outcome), instead of focusing on what's valuable and important. Sure, opinion can differ on 'what's important', certainly on an individual level, but as a movement, the question becomes one worth discussing and debating.
And, in my opinion, the important or critical factor is the HOW we think and HOW we approach the information, rather than whether we're actually right or wrong, aka the WHAT. Because right thinking and careful internal approaches can then translate into effective and productive external activities. I mean, Q used the Socratic method for a reason. It's effective.
Upsides and downsides
So, if Papi is DJT in disguise, and I do not buy into that belief, well, what's the damage? The downside? I'm still paying close attention to DJT, I'm still engaged with the info war to make an impact, and I'm still validating the value of the Q drop operation in a positive way. So, would there be a downside? I don't see one. And, I do not need hopium. My spiritual and mental immune system is running like a hot rod and I'm chock full of hopermectin*. (*patent pending)
On the other hand, if Papi is some funny, smart Q supporter who has found a great way to deliver morale boosts and funny memes, and generally support anon ideas, as part of our movement, but is NOT DJT and yet people fervently believe he IS DJT, what's the downside?
Ignoring critical thinking? Ignoring confirmation biases? lack of self-reflection? Addiction to hopium? People just kidding themselves and chasing the red dot like cats? Making it harder for some folks to take Q seriously, and equating Qanon with Q?
For me, that's where I arrive. The downsides of attaching to (what in my opinion are unreasonable, emotionally driven) beliefs as if they are facts significantly outweigh the downsides of if Papi is in fact DJT but people didn't know or believe this.
So, I fully support the approach of 'I'll keep it a variable' even if we have different opinions or conclusions as to how much of a variable it is, but the approach that some have adopted that their belief is not just belief, but actual fact, that I find most concerning and problematic.
Some here have made posts headlined "Hey, POTUS confirmed and said X!!!!" when in fact it was something that Papi posted and wrote (and not a DJT truth, or such).
u/#q24
Timestamp it was posted. Stringers and Castle comms that go with Scavino's black & white photo he posted yesterday. LFG
u/#q219
MIL Time:
u/#q1419
Referring to the time Q (on purpose) leaked their password that spelled out Pain in 23. 23rd of August? 23 days from now? 23 days from now would be 9/11 not including end date. Poetic justice
u/#catdance
EDIT:
Ezra Cohen pointing to an image of NG Truck. Has number 273 on it.
https://x.com/EzraACohen/status/1958237116707602492
u/#q273
RED. Matches with the timestamp of Papi Trumpos post above
Red Cross?
https://files.catbox.moe/s97r5p.png
The storm is here.
Im going to check,my popcorn supply.
Well stocked up?
No. To many false alarms......
I bought popcorn today but I am buying more tomorrow for sure lol.
Why take a chance?
u/#TheStorm u/#lightning u/#TrumpStorm
Someone asked Trump if he was il Donaldo Trumpo and he replied "Yeah, I think I might be.".
I don't have a link to that video could someone please post it?
https://x.com/QQSource/status/1855982037515055227/video/1
Good ole QA! Thanks buddy!
o7
That grin!!! Beats the hell out of that shit eating “gotcha” grin from Biden.
Nah, false positive. Check the discussion on this that took place on GAW a month or so ago.
One perspective is that firstly, he was focused on something quite different and then a random asked him the question. If Trump is not familiar with the Il Donaldo account, the question definitely sounds like, "Hay, are you the big daddy?"
He was asked also: are you Batman? the reply: yes. Yes, I am.
But we know batman is a fictional character. So, why did he reply like this?
Too much confirmation bias heavily resting on this random question. For those who want fervently to believe that the Il Donaldo account is Trump, it's all they need. Even if that means ignoring other factors, other possible interpretations. Confirmation Bias.
Rational thinking should be applied.
Why? Purpose? Trump is running the world, and yet he has time to post (oooooh, secret comms) on X, as if we are living in 2019?
If one is not, at a minimum, checking the possibility that confirmation bias is kicking in here, well, that's evidence that it actually is.
update: Newsweek published an article touching on this in Jan, 2022. Newsweek claims that:
Now, we can speculate that Newsweek is lying, or we can speculate that, even if the account was somehow Trump's, a spokesperson for him would still deny it, (logically, what else would they do), BUT, other content in the article raises a very important issue for anons:
To wit: how the mass Media propaganda has worked their butts off to create a "Qanon" concept that is fabrication and pure disinformation, and how certain narratives play in to this. That is, how certain beliefs and ideas that are NOT Q, totally play into this agenda that the DS Mockingbird Media had.
Newsweek continues:
https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-followers-think-this-fake-mexican-trump-twitter-account-real-1674560
This is what I meant when the other day I commented:
Q educated us in lots of content that allows us to see so much of what is actually happening today (2025), and where it is headed, a lot that many others who have no grasp of Q cannot see. But, Q stopped posting. That phase of the mission is pretty much over. We've had ooodles of confirmation PLUS morale boosters from DJT himself (example, the wwg1wga music at rallies, etc), boosters from Dan Scavino, but hanging onto beliefs because they are emotionally comforting is not what Q wanted anons to do.
Grasping at straws isn't necessary, either. It's 2025, DJT is very much in control, the Plan is proceeding and we can see the tidal wave of accountability coming, on the horizon, getting closer.
Given all this, personally, I think it's more productive to apply rational thinking, question one's beliefs, at not just buy into them for bias confirmation. BY which I mean, look at the comment Trump made and the thing he said to the reporter (?) who asked him that question, out of the blue, when he was clearly focused on other things, and apply some critical thinking as to what level of proof or evidence this really is. Reasonable doubt means looking for other possible explanations, and giving them the weight they deserve, putting one's own bias aside.
I mean, maybe il Donaldo is a secret Trump account, but that idea is 100% not Q, but is 100% anon, so make of that what you will. Also, there is definitely a case to be made for why it is NOT a secret Trump account. So, I'm just saying, have your beliefs, but recognize them for that they are, and what they are not.
I agree with you, not really sure why this board become obsessed with il donaldo in the first place. (No outside comms)
Just some thing funny you posted, you said like he has time to post secret comms on X but lots of people believe that is what he did with his official account and still does with Truth.
Yeah, it could be wrong. But it also could be right. We won't know for some time if ever.
I'll keep it a variable like I keep most things.
Well, let's break that down a bit.
'Secret comms on X (aka twitter)' - during the Q operation (aka posting phase, 2017.10 ~ 2020.12) DJT certainly posted some comms, comms that were 'secret' in the sense that Q followers could understand and grasp the meaning, and which make sense, inasmuch as they created 'q proofs' that helped to validate Q and the Q operation. So, there was a purpose, and a clear result (tangible outcomes).
'and still does with Truth' - the problem here (imo) is with 'lots of people believe'. I personally do not think that the majority of the Q community believe that DJT is posting 'secret' comms on Truth now, but maybe he is.
comms, but secret?
DJT certainly DOES post comms on Truth. All the time. And they have a clear purpose. Shaping the narratives, pushing and shoving and pulling the DS and the public and the entire discourse in directions he wants, directions that he sees as being important to his work and the whole DJT project.
But, are these 'secret comms'? What would be the purpose? Do you or I or anyone who has followed Q or even looked into Q after the fact now or still need some sort of validation? If there are 'secret comms' that he's posting on Truth, what is the purpose? what are the tangible outcomes? Who is he posting 'secret comms' to?
lack of control factors
There is no Q posting anymore to either validate or guide or correct misinterpretations if they appear. So, if there were 'secret comms', this would be like flying a massive jet but without a tail rudder. You have ailerons, which can turn things, but no tail rudder to control the yaw. IOW, is there any corrective function available, now that Q isn't posting? If people come up with incorrect interpretations, or dumb ideas, how could Trump then control the situation?
To me, it seems completely unreasonable for the highest level military operation in history go to a phase where it has a lot less control and security of outcome, by switching to an 'uncontrolled' secret comms phase.
Also, During the Q drop era, it was Q that was informing, guiding, directing. DJT (Q+) was simply validating Q, reinforcing Q, getting anons and others to take Q seriously.
Comms to who?
Comms? Yes, DJT is clearly posting comms. And, he is posting comms that both control the puiblic narrative, impact on DS sectors as well as the general public and the media industrial complex, etc, and then some comms that are meaningful to anons. Like retruthing a post that has a Q meme or Q-related content in it.
But the purpose of those latter ones? Is it to get anons to do stuff? Like when Q would drop? Or are they simply morale boosters. "We're still here folks", "The Plan is still going on" "We're moving ahead". That's not exactly 'secret comms'.
What purpose redundancy?
But then, ok, granted that DJT DOES post comms on Truth, and that some of those comms are meaningful to anons, even if not 'secret' (Secret comms would be like, OK, do this at X time, investigate Y content, verify with Q, etc), why on earth would he want to also do that then on Il Donaldo account AS WELL?
To me, the accumulative leaps in logic, lack of reasoning, make me think the whole proposition makes no sense. So, DJT posting comms to verify during the Q operation and then posting comms in the current phase, when he has returned to the White house, and the work is NOT preparing for 2020-2024 and 2025+, to influence public narratives etc, these make sense to me, but do NOT actually qualify as things that suggest he might be doing it AS WELL on an X parody account.
The How we think is perhaps more important than WHAT we think
I can easily support this approach. I think this is very wise. I mean, for me, as a variable, I would say I'm of the view that "90% Papi is not actually DJT, but 10% could be". Others might think its 50/50, or even 70/30, etc.
What I think is problematic is that there are people who call themselves anons but who do not think in those terms. They think "Oh, he most definitely IS DJT. This is a fact! It's not a variable, it's real!!!" And, they treat the output from Papi as equal to Potus.
It's this approach that I think is extremely (I guess, in my current mood) damaging to our work and counter productive to the whole purpose of the Q operation. What Q wanted to accomplish and what Q wants anons to do and how to approach the information war. At some point, if people sign up for dogmatic 'truths', and start to confuse facts with beliefs, variables with 'sure things', it derails the thinking process and the approach, and becomes pseudo-religious and group think. And that's probably the key reason why I oppose that sort of thinking when I see it on the Board.
Focus on tangible outcomes is a key part of evaluation
Because, lets say the Papi is DJT (or DJT's representative). (Even though I find the premise rather nonsensical at this point, but that's MY bias.) What real tangible impact does this or would this accomplish? Does it affect how anons are engaging? What? Using unverifiable hopium? The only people paying attention to this are people who are already pretty much convinced that Q is legit. So, what's the purpose and the value here?
I don't see it. But maybe you can. I'd be happy to hear if someone thinks there are clear, apparent benefits or outcomes of DJT posting via a separate 'parody account'.
Let's not Operation Trust ourselves
There was lots of noise about Operation Trust at a few junctures. Just today, I watched a clip (not on GAW, but I saw it elsewhere) of Tucker Carlson talking about 'Qanon' with some chemistry professor. The professor's conclusion? 'Qanon' was ex-spooks who were fed up with the system, went bad and were trying to divert energy away from what is important. "siphon off energy" was the phrase he used. Essentially, this is the Q is "Operation Trust 2.0" narrative.
But we (I'll assume) know that this is a very bogus interpretation. Q generated energy, rather than siphoning it off or redirecting people AWAY from the real issues.
However, when we (the generic we) start to slip into dogmatic or doctrinal group think, we can begin to create our own operation trust. In other words, some people can end up focusing on things that are not important (such as doing decodes that endlessly give exciting vibes but which have no real practical outcome), instead of focusing on what's valuable and important. Sure, opinion can differ on 'what's important', certainly on an individual level, but as a movement, the question becomes one worth discussing and debating.
And, in my opinion, the important or critical factor is the HOW we think and HOW we approach the information, rather than whether we're actually right or wrong, aka the WHAT. Because right thinking and careful internal approaches can then translate into effective and productive external activities. I mean, Q used the Socratic method for a reason. It's effective.
Upsides and downsides
So, if Papi is DJT in disguise, and I do not buy into that belief, well, what's the damage? The downside? I'm still paying close attention to DJT, I'm still engaged with the info war to make an impact, and I'm still validating the value of the Q drop operation in a positive way. So, would there be a downside? I don't see one. And, I do not need hopium. My spiritual and mental immune system is running like a hot rod and I'm chock full of hopermectin*. (*patent pending)
On the other hand, if Papi is some funny, smart Q supporter who has found a great way to deliver morale boosts and funny memes, and generally support anon ideas, as part of our movement, but is NOT DJT and yet people fervently believe he IS DJT, what's the downside?
Ignoring critical thinking? Ignoring confirmation biases? lack of self-reflection? Addiction to hopium? People just kidding themselves and chasing the red dot like cats? Making it harder for some folks to take Q seriously, and equating Qanon with Q?
For me, that's where I arrive. The downsides of attaching to (what in my opinion are unreasonable, emotionally driven) beliefs as if they are facts significantly outweigh the downsides of if Papi is in fact DJT but people didn't know or believe this.
So, I fully support the approach of 'I'll keep it a variable' even if we have different opinions or conclusions as to how much of a variable it is, but the approach that some have adopted that their belief is not just belief, but actual fact, that I find most concerning and problematic.
Some here have made posts headlined "Hey, POTUS confirmed and said X!!!!" when in fact it was something that Papi posted and wrote (and not a DJT truth, or such).
Blimey. No thanks.
Very well said and thought out. Glad you are on our side!
https://x.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1958232538172006570
Get rid of them ALL, Mr President, or else they’ll come after all of us when you leave office.
Friday Sir?
🙏
Is that the same song he played at a couple of his rallies before the election?
Imagine looking back in history when we are in 2050 and beyond seeing this time and the memes that have been made over the last 10 years.
EPIC!!!
great post and comments!
Red Red — queue-anon’s comment Q219 (Castle Runs Red) + Q273 Red
https://qalerts.app/?q=Red_Red
of those Red Red I like u/#q520 and Q3550 u/#q3550 and u/#q756 then DC is embedded in u/#q229
I posted this four years ago here, I'm sure other people posted it before me...but it's true now more than ever before. THERE IS A STORM COMING.
PAIN.
https://rumble.com/vctul5-everything-will-be-revealed...soon.html
Again