Lord forgive me for my unChristian thoughts, but when I first heard this news I simply assumed that the family killed was an American family. But then when I saw this follow up item, about the victims being Haitian, suddenly my anger in this matter came down to low simmer. I actually felt happy that some average American family were NOT the victims here.
That probably makes me a bad person... but here we are.
I would only add the afterthought I had a few minutes later, I bet this new info will suddenly lead to leftys agreeing that something must be done about these non English speaking drivers from operating on our roads
Nothing wrong with those thoughts. When you hear of someone getting killed in your hometown you're always relieved when you find out that it wasn't a member of your family or a friend. That's the difference in empathy and sympathy.
I get that. If other nations were looked at through the lens of a "medical triage" (where multiple victims of an emergency are separated into three categories -- savable right now, savable with deferred medical help, and unsavable no matter what you do), Haiti would fall into that last triage category. How many decades have we poured billions of dollars into an unsalvagable country, at what point do we stop and put our resources to better use elsewhere?
I suddenly stopped caring too, but did have a thought: did they come here through proper channels? Did they becone citizens or at least acquire work visas? Or did they abuse the asylum system to skip the line? Important to know.
Yes, they had legitimate visas and came in legally (read the article). They were innocent victims, no less deserving of pity for their doom than if they were pink, white, or yellow.
No, the article just said that one did. I can tell you from experience that MANY come here and then apply for asylum.
Then again, I'm not surprised that they plowed into the side of an 18-wheeler. They had probably never driven a car back in Haiti (lots of mopeds on the roads there, just like in the DR). They come here, somehow get a license (I'm not going to go into the numerous ways they scam the system) and try driving on roadways at speeds they never did back in Haiti.
Well, could you have coped with the scenario I outlined? I've had to do something similar, and it wasn't easy at all. It wasn't them who did the plowing; it was the 18-wheeler that suddenly turned across their bow. The recommended safe following distance for a semi-trailer is 300 feet. That would not apply in an adjacent lane, so the poor Haitians were too close for safety once the truck barged across their lane. As anyone would be. Since when is death the penalty for doing nothing wrong?
Actually, I wondered at the time why someone would just plough into the side of a semi truck and I wondered if they were really bad drivers or careless and bad driving immigrants.
I was wondering why they had not locked the brakes up or tried to steer away. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seemed liked there was enough time to react. Was the driver not paying attention?
You are driving in the lane left of a semi-truck that is slightly ahead of you. It suddenly and without warning turns and cuts left across your lane. How much length do you have in which to even attempt to use the brakes?
I was in downtown traffic once, on the main drag, traveling at the posted speed of 40 mph. There was a large pickup truck in the lane to my left with his rear bumper about even with my front bumper. Then some idiot asshole in a panel van in the opposing traffic decided to turn left across our lanes of traffic, and I didn't see him until he had already crossed in front of the pickup, who had to jam on his brakes even seeing what was happening. I had, at best, maybe 20 feet in which to come to a dead stop without T-boning the van from a speed of about 60 feet/second. I made it with inches to spare (and this is an unpaid commercial for the quality of Jaguar brakes) and my calculation afterward indicated it had been at 2 gs. The passenger in the van looked out the door window and gawked. They continued on.
The Haitians had absolutely no chance of survival.
What are the odds?? Not as low as you might think:
"A new Pew Research Center analysis of Census Bureau data finds that, as of June 2025:
51.9 million immigrants lived in the U.S.
15.4% of all U.S. residents were immigrants, down from a recent historic high of 15.8%.
19% of the U.S. labor force were immigrants, down from 20% and by over 750,000 workers since January.
They are apparently counted in the population for allocating House districts, whether they "vote" or not.
That HAS to be changed! Representation is for citizens! We all need to raise the hue and cry.
I do genealogical research, and past censuses did indeed ask if the person were foreign born, from where, spoke English, if naturalized, etc. So go ahead and count them, so we know how many there are and their demographics and etc.!
Just do NOT include their numbers for Congressional representation!! It is a huge SCAM on American citizens, watering down our representation.
Be careful out there ya’ll. I hate to say this but better stay off the road this Labor Day weekend or be extra vigilant but don’t be neurotic and always pray.. 🙏
Evidence is that the driver was legal. Any evidence that the others were not? I dislike your presumption of guilt in the absence of proof. Is it worth it to save a buck by having them killed from an accident that never should have happened? Dose the word "ghoulish" have any meaning for you?
Wouldn't say I take satisfaction. Dark humor maybe. When I first heard about the incident i wanted to see justice because another incident of someone not being here taking out Americans. The sting doesn't sting as much knowing that no one was from our country. Shows how much of an issue illegal immigration is. If everyone involved wasn't from here. Let's stop being so serious like a liberal.
Well, I don't think of nationalities when I consider innocent bystanders killed by criminal negligence in a violent and grisly manner. The penalty for being an illegal should be no worse than maybe a little detention and then deportation...not to be torn apart by a traffic collision. You want to see justice. I don't want to see injustice. Ever heard the phrase "as serious as death"? I don't think you would be so bold as to attend the funeral and remark, "Why so serious? Are you all liberals?"
Why should you have grief with the Haitians? They were here legally, seeking work, minding their own business. Not much prospect in Haiti. Who made you the extralegal moat dragon?
Lol. Read some statistics. Incompatible culture. Proclivity to cannibalism. Not skilled or educated. High all crime rate. Heavily dependent on assistance programs.
And bullshit, they're not here "legally". Over 10% of Haitis population is now in America almost exclusively under Bidens administration.
You can't argue that they "mind their own business" when they have some of the highest assault and rape crime rates.
You write as though white folks didn't do drugs and murder at a high rate among themselves.
I was talking about 3 individuals, for whom we have no indication were criminals. You spring from 3 individuals to an entire nationality, using collectivism to spread the evil of a few across the rest of the many, a thoroughly disreputable process. By this thinking, all Germans are Nazis, all Italians are Mafia, all Russians are Communists, and all Africans are primitive savages. But the thinking is bunk.
If we tolerated their presence, that is de facto "legal" so far as they are concerned, and they would have a point. But now that indulgence is over, and hopefully things will change. If they are encouraged by our laxity, who is really to blame?
My stance is individualism, which is anathema to libtards...and apparently also to racists.
Lord forgive me for my unChristian thoughts, but when I first heard this news I simply assumed that the family killed was an American family. But then when I saw this follow up item, about the victims being Haitian, suddenly my anger in this matter came down to low simmer. I actually felt happy that some average American family were NOT the victims here.
That probably makes me a bad person... but here we are.
Thank you for typing my exact thoughts out.
I would only add the afterthought I had a few minutes later, I bet this new info will suddenly lead to leftys agreeing that something must be done about these non English speaking drivers from operating on our roads
Nothing wrong with those thoughts. When you hear of someone getting killed in your hometown you're always relieved when you find out that it wasn't a member of your family or a friend. That's the difference in empathy and sympathy.
" . . . felt happy that some average American family were NOT the victims here."
Happy or relieved? For a split second I had a sense of relief but quickly reminded myself that they still died and that someone loved them.
Yeah, I get that, a human life is still valuable and one of God's creation. As I said, I was conflicted about it.
That's why I asked happy vs relieved.
Two very different emotions
Yes, 'relieved' was probably a better choice of words. Written in the heat of the moment.
In other words, relieved that it's not your close family (Amercians)
I just don't want you to beat yourself up too much over a human feeling
I get that. If other nations were looked at through the lens of a "medical triage" (where multiple victims of an emergency are separated into three categories -- savable right now, savable with deferred medical help, and unsavable no matter what you do), Haiti would fall into that last triage category. How many decades have we poured billions of dollars into an unsalvagable country, at what point do we stop and put our resources to better use elsewhere?
I suddenly stopped caring too, but did have a thought: did they come here through proper channels? Did they becone citizens or at least acquire work visas? Or did they abuse the asylum system to skip the line? Important to know.
Yes, they had legitimate visas and came in legally (read the article). They were innocent victims, no less deserving of pity for their doom than if they were pink, white, or yellow.
No, the article just said that one did. I can tell you from experience that MANY come here and then apply for asylum.
Then again, I'm not surprised that they plowed into the side of an 18-wheeler. They had probably never driven a car back in Haiti (lots of mopeds on the roads there, just like in the DR). They come here, somehow get a license (I'm not going to go into the numerous ways they scam the system) and try driving on roadways at speeds they never did back in Haiti.
Yep, most of us would have slowed down when seeing what was happening.
Well, could you have coped with the scenario I outlined? I've had to do something similar, and it wasn't easy at all. It wasn't them who did the plowing; it was the 18-wheeler that suddenly turned across their bow. The recommended safe following distance for a semi-trailer is 300 feet. That would not apply in an adjacent lane, so the poor Haitians were too close for safety once the truck barged across their lane. As anyone would be. Since when is death the penalty for doing nothing wrong?
The screwed up system and matrix make us think this way since we’re all weary, jaded, and only humans. God please forgive us all.
Actually, I wondered at the time why someone would just plough into the side of a semi truck and I wondered if they were really bad drivers or careless and bad driving immigrants.
I was wondering why they had not locked the brakes up or tried to steer away. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seemed liked there was enough time to react. Was the driver not paying attention?
You have never been in that situation have you? They probably tried to do exactly that, and had already collided.
Good point.
You are driving in the lane left of a semi-truck that is slightly ahead of you. It suddenly and without warning turns and cuts left across your lane. How much length do you have in which to even attempt to use the brakes?
I was in downtown traffic once, on the main drag, traveling at the posted speed of 40 mph. There was a large pickup truck in the lane to my left with his rear bumper about even with my front bumper. Then some idiot asshole in a panel van in the opposing traffic decided to turn left across our lanes of traffic, and I didn't see him until he had already crossed in front of the pickup, who had to jam on his brakes even seeing what was happening. I had, at best, maybe 20 feet in which to come to a dead stop without T-boning the van from a speed of about 60 feet/second. I made it with inches to spare (and this is an unpaid commercial for the quality of Jaguar brakes) and my calculation afterward indicated it had been at 2 gs. The passenger in the van looked out the door window and gawked. They continued on.
The Haitians had absolutely no chance of survival.
Kinda like a twofer.
What are the odds?? Not as low as you might think:
"A new Pew Research Center analysis of Census Bureau data finds that, as of June 2025:
I keep asking stephenM if these people have been counted in the last census therefore skewing the electorate…
They are apparently counted in the population for allocating House districts, whether they "vote" or not.
That HAS to be changed! Representation is for citizens! We all need to raise the hue and cry.
I do genealogical research, and past censuses did indeed ask if the person were foreign born, from where, spoke English, if naturalized, etc. So go ahead and count them, so we know how many there are and their demographics and etc.!
Just do NOT include their numbers for Congressional representation!! It is a huge SCAM on American citizens, watering down our representation.
The population is the only number used for congressional seating…
So we now know why the Dems are obsessed with population, if they could count cats and dogs they would.
who is saying they are not? HA!
Well, they do their best to count graves.
Well, I’m not as pissed off as I was a couple weeks ago.
Be careful out there ya’ll. I hate to say this but better stay off the road this Labor Day weekend or be extra vigilant but don’t be neurotic and always pray.. 🙏
Not to be heartless but, look at the money ICE saved from this incident.
And how does a living illegal alien save ICE any money? The victims were legal aliens. Not a problem.
Don't have to spend money on agents finding any of them. Florida authorities found them
Evidence is that the driver was legal. Any evidence that the others were not? I dislike your presumption of guilt in the absence of proof. Is it worth it to save a buck by having them killed from an accident that never should have happened? Dose the word "ghoulish" have any meaning for you?
Depends do you think I'm a ghoul.
You tell me, considering you take satisfaction that 3 men died needlessly.
Wouldn't say I take satisfaction. Dark humor maybe. When I first heard about the incident i wanted to see justice because another incident of someone not being here taking out Americans. The sting doesn't sting as much knowing that no one was from our country. Shows how much of an issue illegal immigration is. If everyone involved wasn't from here. Let's stop being so serious like a liberal.
Well, I don't think of nationalities when I consider innocent bystanders killed by criminal negligence in a violent and grisly manner. The penalty for being an illegal should be no worse than maybe a little detention and then deportation...not to be torn apart by a traffic collision. You want to see justice. I don't want to see injustice. Ever heard the phrase "as serious as death"? I don't think you would be so bold as to attend the funeral and remark, "Why so serious? Are you all liberals?"
This puts Dems in a bind, optics wise, since both the perpetrator and the victims are their people.
Why should you have grief with the Haitians? They were here legally, seeking work, minding their own business. Not much prospect in Haiti. Who made you the extralegal moat dragon?
Lol. Read some statistics. Incompatible culture. Proclivity to cannibalism. Not skilled or educated. High all crime rate. Heavily dependent on assistance programs.
And bullshit, they're not here "legally". Over 10% of Haitis population is now in America almost exclusively under Bidens administration.
You can't argue that they "mind their own business" when they have some of the highest assault and rape crime rates.
Your stance is wild
You write as though white folks didn't do drugs and murder at a high rate among themselves.
I was talking about 3 individuals, for whom we have no indication were criminals. You spring from 3 individuals to an entire nationality, using collectivism to spread the evil of a few across the rest of the many, a thoroughly disreputable process. By this thinking, all Germans are Nazis, all Italians are Mafia, all Russians are Communists, and all Africans are primitive savages. But the thinking is bunk.
If we tolerated their presence, that is de facto "legal" so far as they are concerned, and they would have a point. But now that indulgence is over, and hopefully things will change. If they are encouraged by our laxity, who is really to blame?
My stance is individualism, which is anathema to libtards...and apparently also to racists.