Guy on 4chan seems correct. Not a gunsmithfag. Have harvested white tails with common calibers. A 30-0six would have to be supressed and slowed way down to not push a man over and a mauser action/stock is not easily disassembled into a collection of small parts or is it reassemble with a scope and accurate on its first shot. I'm thinking the weapon in the woods minimally was not on that roof with that suspect.
Not exactly a gunfag either but have never heard of a breakdown Mauser or bolt action rifle.
You can take them apart, sure, but it’s for cleaning and maintenance, and not so you can quickly conceal it in a backpack. Bolt actions don’t work like that, that I’m aware of.
Looking at that model, even broken down it’d be pushing 2.5-3 feet long. Might be worth going by a good gun shop to ask about that specific model, but if they’re claiming it was broken down for transport, especially by some suburban kid, and that the scope was mounted like that, not buying it.
You can get breakdown bolt actions. But they are specialty rifles. Its not something really common. The problem is achieving repeatable accuracy with such a rife. Which means a design made for that purpose and very high cost.
When we get into the realm of specialty high cost bolt action rifles, that means fewer numbers of them exist.
With fewer numbers of them existing, I would believe tracking that small amount and limited access would be easier.
Specialty guns and money... why not start considering a second shooter off Charlie's right with a smaller disguised weapon at that point? I'm leaning more and more toward big money, highly coordinated, and specialty tools used.
Force delivered on target is highly dependent on where the target is hit. If he were hit in center solid mass the reaction would have been more what you describe - knocked over. This round, seemingly, only went through a narrow portion of tissue and unfortunately severed vital arteries. Imagine shooting a tin can and it flails wildly while if you shoot a piece of paper hanging it is pierced but hardly reacts.
What do you think of his shirt movement as seen in the videos taken from in front of him? It seems like he was hit on a body armor plate and his shirt displays a shock wave. I am not convinced it ricocheted up into his neck as opposed to perhaps a second shooter from his right piercing his neck. I do think it's very hard to believe that the pictured mauser was used on the roof.
Also, if it were a 30-0six that hit his neck, where did it land because that bullet would have gotten redirected only slightly and for sure whacked something else. A human neck is not going to stop that caliber at 200 yards. Also, body armor usually mushrooms and drops a round unless he was wearing a cast iron skillet and it hit the sidewall then went up into his head... the official story is lousy and belittling.
I’m not a Gunfag but know one who isn’t online. He says that 55 grain accelerator soft point bullet would shoot from that rifle and wouldn’t shoot a head off. Probably why they used that particular rifle. He says they’re so old and people can’t get them anymore, people probably forgot they exist.
Edit to add; he says they discontinued them due poor accuracy so maybe it’s not the right bullet used either
In the early 2000s those things were going for 100-200 dollars online from Russian surplus outlets. You could buy crates of them in bulk for better deals.
It's annoying how many normies quickly come to the defense of the official narrative always. They always come up with explanations of why it is plausible rather than why It's not
Yeah that guy has some credible facts. like the rifle .cal .If it was a .30-06 ithe impact would have looked VERY different. edit... IF it was a .30-06 then maybe the shot hit the soft vest went straight through and out the neck. Thats the ONLY way. me thinks.edit... any gunfags know if an "A.P." .30-06 going subsonic would be able to go through a soft vest?
Well, one an AP 50bmg will 100% pierce an inch and two, I said almost an inch meaning just under. A lvl 4 body armor would be needed to have a good chance to stop it and he was not wearing a lvl 4 plate.
"Some grades of steel, particularly steel used for Armor can stop Armor Piercing bullets from a . 50 BMG with 3 inches of thickness or less. Some steel could possibly be 5 inches thick and a single Armor Piercing round from close range will punch right through it."
Yes fren I know but would it if it was sub-sonic? Hit in front then changes path and exits the neck.Thats what I want to know. sub-sonic would explain the exit angle.But I don't know if its got enough energy/ASS to go through soft vest.would any subsonic .30-06 have enough energy at 2 hundred yards to do that.
A sub sonic round is a good point. It would have a lot less muzzle velocity but the impact power would still be very high. Based on the videos I have seen the sound does not sound suppressed to me for being 200 yards away but it is possible that it was. Just very hard to tell without clean audio. Building echos and crowd noises dont make it any easier.
If it was subsonic the penetration would be less true but the impact would still have tremendous force. If he was wearing something extremely advanced from normal applications (Military, Police, Private etc) then none of this analysis means much from anyone to be honest. Its just very rare for someone to wear a plate without supporting torso Kevlar. Something is definitely odd about it.
I think its just physically impossible. But I am interested in your conclusion and am open to the possibility that Im not considering some unknown yet important variable.
Young_Patriot, discern between the groups of dupes: the true dupes who are dumb enough to believe official narratives, and the fake dupes who know the ugly truth but are too lazy and cowardly to do anything about it so they pretend not to know.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!!!! I have BOTH SEMI/BOLT and the Bolt Action does NOT BREAK DOWN!!!!!! The AR-10 does can be broken down when the receiver pin is taken out and the one gets two pieces...Can also be carried in a back-pack for going through crowds also!!!!!!!!
takedown
(You)'re falling for the FBI narrative.
In both of the pressers they explicitly and repeatedly uttered this word:
screwdriver
as to strongly imply that the rifle was dissassembled, though they did not make clear whether it might have been dissassembled immediately after the shoot
We all know the evidence of 'the rifle' is extremely sus "found in a wooded area" etc. along with it being invisible in all of the video footage including the crucial run-across-roof sequence (which someone on YouTube even cross-synched in timing with other cellphone vids taken at the tent):
There is no way he was able to 'break down' the rifle, especially if it was a rig that required a screwdriver to do so, in the 15 seconds needed to run across roof to the edge of the eave and drop to ground.
See: >>515824155 →
515824155 →
'b-but if you practice'
Doesn't matter. Any takedown-reassembly would have taken him 20 seconds bare minimum, the FBI has a "h-he used a screwdriver" (which would take much longer) narrative, and the shooting videos prove that he was not only not 'taking down' /stuffing into a bag any dissasembled rifle but that there was no 'rifle' visible whatsoever in any of the pics or footage (not even the middle school kid-lunch tiny backpack which can't fit a rifle).
Entire FBI fact pattern and all 'evidence' released is unbelievable dog-ate-my-homework upchuck. https://files.catbox.moe/t63uy0.png //rifle pic--https://files.catbox.moe/k3drp9.jpeg
And rifles that are not designed as "takedown" rifles will badly lose their zero upon being reassembled. Though the rifle could have been "zeroed" and then planted, then broken down after assassination. But if the story is he reassembled that kind of rifle on the roof and then took it down again to run and then reassembled before ditching it then I think we can categorize that as a known lie. Just like Epstein shit.
Also I saw a video that looked like him jumping down to the grass with what very well could have a been rifle wrapped in a garment or towel. It was grainy footage and maybe I just fell for the power of persuasion. Was that convincingly dismissed?
I also went to sleep at 3am, but slept until almost 10 am, lol. I have a hard time sleeping at night for whatever reason, morning hours I sleep like a rock. 🤷♀️
They'd have to kill all the related troons as well, "suicided" ... but then MSM will scream, "SEE REPUBS, WHAT YOU'VE DONE ... YOU BULLIED THEM ALL INTO SUICIDE REEEEEE."
Discord straight up said that didn't happen and discord wasn't used to plan the hit. Something is definitely not adding up but I don't think this is the missing piece.
I don’t believe it was the rifle that sent the kill shot in the first place. There is credible evidence IMO that it was his security team to his right side that had the kill shot. I’ve watched the video over and over and I’m convinced.
If the shooter was in one of the many rooms or rooftops in the shadows from that angle you wouldn’t see the smoke. I saved an mp4 clip of that angle. There’s even a frame where you can see the bullet pass over his right shoulder. If you were on /pol/ that night you wouldn’t have seen it too.
online friend just responded to this when I sent it to him:
I was somewhat involved in the free speech wall at University of Toronto that propelled Peterson around ten years ago. The way the leftist mobs organized, harassed and doxxed organizers, is exactly as this post describes it. They group chats got leaked since they weren't even secretive.
I think if they were infiltrated and manipulated by a mossad agent, it's very plausible it would work like this
Aye, private aircraft can't just turn off transponder legally.
That was for the rest of the team to get away, to leave their patsy.
If you watch him jump off the roof, you can see the disappointment that there's no vehicle to pick him up - like they probably told him there would be. And then he fucked his leg up.
What I see in the assassination video is a bullet hitting high on the chest lifting Charlies shirt and the bullet ricocheting off his bullet proof vest and penetrating into his neck.
The video of the shooter jumping off the roof shows something like a rifle in some frames and then as he is limping off, I don't see a rifle at all.
It makes no sense at all for the shooter to spend the time disassembling the rifle only to discard it in the trees East of the buildings. Logically the rifle should have been left at the scene, wiped clean, especially with no 'messages' left on it, if the perp really wanted to get away.
It feels like children playing out a video game in real life, especially the part where he didn't seem to have a plan after escaping. Someone goaded these adult children into doing the act. . .
Im not convinced Kirk was wearing any armor and if he was it was soft armor that wouldnt be obvious and would not ricochet. And if it was soft armor it would have been defeated by 30-06 at that range anyway. If it were rigid conglomerate ceramic armor it would have stopped the round without ricochet but it would have been obvious that he was wearing it. I think the ricochet theory is a no go.
Im not convinced Kirk was wearing any armor and if he was it was soft armor that wouldnt be obvious and would not ricochet. And if it was soft armor it would have been defeated by 30-06 at that range anyway. If it were rigid conglomerate ceramic armor it would have stopped the round without ricochet but it would have been obvious that he was wearing it. I think the ricochet theory is a no go.
arteries definitely gush blood. jugular is the closest to the heart.... that shit will splatter. Youre stupid for spouting this shit. Shows you have no medical training/experience. STFU
4chan is a worldwide treasure.🙏🏻
u/#SmirkingTrump
Something makes no sense here. The rifle can't fit into that bag.
You can't disassemble a Mauser bolt-action rifle on-the-fly. Also why would he reassemble it before dumping it in the woods?https://x.com/1Titus70/status/1966322636365115556
The rifle is literally the smoking gun.
The entire story unravels when the rifle assembly is analyzed.
Q taught the Anons well.
Critical thinking will expose all.
u/#updoot https://files.catbox.moe/mh9pp3.png
This is very interesting from thread. Can any GunSmithFags confirm on the rifle? https://files.catbox.moe/3zx1b3.jpg //-pic of rifle- https://files.catbox.moe/k3drp9.jpeg u/#pepedetective
Guy on 4chan seems correct. Not a gunsmithfag. Have harvested white tails with common calibers. A 30-0six would have to be supressed and slowed way down to not push a man over and a mauser action/stock is not easily disassembled into a collection of small parts or is it reassemble with a scope and accurate on its first shot. I'm thinking the weapon in the woods minimally was not on that roof with that suspect.
Yep , the rifle takes the whole story apart.
Not exactly a gunfag either but have never heard of a breakdown Mauser or bolt action rifle.
You can take them apart, sure, but it’s for cleaning and maintenance, and not so you can quickly conceal it in a backpack. Bolt actions don’t work like that, that I’m aware of.
Looking at that model, even broken down it’d be pushing 2.5-3 feet long. Might be worth going by a good gun shop to ask about that specific model, but if they’re claiming it was broken down for transport, especially by some suburban kid, and that the scope was mounted like that, not buying it.
Right. I've handled mausers... there's nothing quick and easy about concealing them.
https://hsprecision.com/product/ptd-takedown-rifle/
You can get breakdown bolt actions. But they are specialty rifles. Its not something really common. The problem is achieving repeatable accuracy with such a rife. Which means a design made for that purpose and very high cost.
When we get into the realm of specialty high cost bolt action rifles, that means fewer numbers of them exist.
With fewer numbers of them existing, I would believe tracking that small amount and limited access would be easier.
Not only that, but it would mean someone with money was involved, and that person doesn’t seem to have been the father.
Specialty guns and money... why not start considering a second shooter off Charlie's right with a smaller disguised weapon at that point? I'm leaning more and more toward big money, highly coordinated, and specialty tools used.
Exactly. A second shooter, anyway.
https://hsprecision.com/product/ptd-takedown-rifle/
Kek.
Seems unlikely, but there do be one!
If the connection suggested exists then cost is negated.
Exactly, my dear Watson.
<puts on funny hat>
Force delivered on target is highly dependent on where the target is hit. If he were hit in center solid mass the reaction would have been more what you describe - knocked over. This round, seemingly, only went through a narrow portion of tissue and unfortunately severed vital arteries. Imagine shooting a tin can and it flails wildly while if you shoot a piece of paper hanging it is pierced but hardly reacts.
What do you think of his shirt movement as seen in the videos taken from in front of him? It seems like he was hit on a body armor plate and his shirt displays a shock wave. I am not convinced it ricocheted up into his neck as opposed to perhaps a second shooter from his right piercing his neck. I do think it's very hard to believe that the pictured mauser was used on the roof.
Also, if it were a 30-0six that hit his neck, where did it land because that bullet would have gotten redirected only slightly and for sure whacked something else. A human neck is not going to stop that caliber at 200 yards. Also, body armor usually mushrooms and drops a round unless he was wearing a cast iron skillet and it hit the sidewall then went up into his head... the official story is lousy and belittling.
From the sideways video it appeared that the round hit the upper edge of his body armor and then you had fragmentation going into his neck.
Steel plate body armor does that.
There's a company here in Phoenix called Armored Republic that makes steel plate body armor.
video of front side https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1757874569358964.mp4
I’m not a Gunfag but know one who isn’t online. He says that 55 grain accelerator soft point bullet would shoot from that rifle and wouldn’t shoot a head off. Probably why they used that particular rifle. He says they’re so old and people can’t get them anymore, people probably forgot they exist.
Edit to add; he says they discontinued them due poor accuracy so maybe it’s not the right bullet used either
In the early 2000s those things were going for 100-200 dollars online from Russian surplus outlets. You could buy crates of them in bulk for better deals.
i've never seen/heard of a 55grain .30-06 .
It discontinued in 2010. Apparently it’s a bullet that can’t be traced back to a specific rifle. Another reason it could’ve been used
gotcha
They did exist. I was unaware until just now.
It's annoying how many normies quickly come to the defense of the official narrative always. They always come up with explanations of why it is plausible rather than why It's not
Yeah that guy has some credible facts. like the rifle .cal .If it was a .30-06 ithe impact would have looked VERY different. edit... IF it was a .30-06 then maybe the shot hit the soft vest went straight through and out the neck. Thats the ONLY way. me thinks.edit... any gunfags know if an "A.P." .30-06 going subsonic would be able to go through a soft vest?
There was a a short subthread about it yesterday.
https://greatawakening.win/p/1AR0LV6KLh/x/c/4eWbmW8xvfv
(Still reading this thread, just adding it)
An AP 30-06 could penetrate almost an inch thick titanium plate which he clearly was not wearing anything like that.
30-06 AP rounds 100% would not pierce one inch thick titanium. 50 bmg is defeated by one inch thick titanium.
Well, one an AP 50bmg will 100% pierce an inch and two, I said almost an inch meaning just under. A lvl 4 body armor would be needed to have a good chance to stop it and he was not wearing a lvl 4 plate.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1926/7025/files/Storm_System_infographic2_1024x1024.png?v=1651768508
"Some grades of steel, particularly steel used for Armor can stop Armor Piercing bullets from a . 50 BMG with 3 inches of thickness or less. Some steel could possibly be 5 inches thick and a single Armor Piercing round from close range will punch right through it."
Yes fren I know but would it if it was sub-sonic? Hit in front then changes path and exits the neck.Thats what I want to know. sub-sonic would explain the exit angle.But I don't know if its got enough energy/ASS to go through soft vest.would any subsonic .30-06 have enough energy at 2 hundred yards to do that.
A sub sonic round is a good point. It would have a lot less muzzle velocity but the impact power would still be very high. Based on the videos I have seen the sound does not sound suppressed to me for being 200 yards away but it is possible that it was. Just very hard to tell without clean audio. Building echos and crowd noises dont make it any easier.
If it was subsonic the penetration would be less true but the impact would still have tremendous force. If he was wearing something extremely advanced from normal applications (Military, Police, Private etc) then none of this analysis means much from anyone to be honest. Its just very rare for someone to wear a plate without supporting torso Kevlar. Something is definitely odd about it.
I'm thinking that it was just a vest, without a plate. And thx for your take/info on sub sonic .
Velocity defeats armor. Sub sonic is necessarily low velocity. Ive never heard of low velocity armor piercing rounds.
Yeah me niether. But it would explain some math I.m working on. enter and exit trajectory .
I think its just physically impossible. But I am interested in your conclusion and am open to the possibility that Im not considering some unknown yet important variable.
Ignore this guy he is just instigating. He knows about as much about armor as he does on how to effectively communicate.
Young_Patriot, discern between the groups of dupes: the true dupes who are dumb enough to believe official narratives, and the fake dupes who know the ugly truth but are too lazy and cowardly to do anything about it so they pretend not to know.
A-men brother
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!!!! I have BOTH SEMI/BOLT and the Bolt Action does NOT BREAK DOWN!!!!!! The AR-10 does can be broken down when the receiver pin is taken out and the one gets two pieces...Can also be carried in a back-pack for going through crowds also!!!!!!!!
thx fren
He mentions potentially using a subsonic but you can clearly hear the supersonic crack followed by the muzzle bang in all of the videos.
I didn't catch the crack, damn ,Can't believe i missed that. thx for the help
Kurt refuses funds from BiBi https://files.catbox.moe/jrlh3f.jpg
That’s why I said it was all of them ( Netanyahu and other Zionists) involved.
What small group has been pushing the tRoon sht the most?
Follow the money
Oh we ALL know who it is.
Magnus Hirschfeld
And rifles that are not designed as "takedown" rifles will badly lose their zero upon being reassembled. Though the rifle could have been "zeroed" and then planted, then broken down after assassination. But if the story is he reassembled that kind of rifle on the roof and then took it down again to run and then reassembled before ditching it then I think we can categorize that as a known lie. Just like Epstein shit.
Also I saw a video that looked like him jumping down to the grass with what very well could have a been rifle wrapped in a garment or towel. It was grainy footage and maybe I just fell for the power of persuasion. Was that convincingly dismissed?
sauce- https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/515943085 - archive- https://archive.ph/sDViz - updated archive= https://archive.ph/I5k5k
Dasting mm...
thx joy, woke up 2 hours ago like u/#WaaahCat
Went to sleep at 3, awake at 6...just like POTUS. kek!
morning joy u/#BuckleUp
I'm ready!
I also went to sleep at 3am, but slept until almost 10 am, lol. I have a hard time sleeping at night for whatever reason, morning hours I sleep like a rock. 🤷♀️
We used to bring on the nightshift..kek!
If he is killed (as Lee Harvey Oswald was) or conveniently commits suicide in prison, then he is definitely the patsy. They will silence the patsy.
They'd have to kill all the related troons as well, "suicided" ... but then MSM will scream, "SEE REPUBS, WHAT YOU'VE DONE ... YOU BULLIED THEM ALL INTO SUICIDE REEEEEE."
hmmm https://files.catbox.moe/ggqyec.jpg
Discord straight up said that didn't happen and discord wasn't used to plan the hit. Something is definitely not adding up but I don't think this is the missing piece.
Wrong. Discord is wrong. The Chans caught them deleting "servers" as they said.It was all over /pol/ u/#trumpwrong
Yea, I'm not willing to trust Discord. They've hidden shit in the past and are known commies.
I don’t believe it was the rifle that sent the kill shot in the first place. There is credible evidence IMO that it was his security team to his right side that had the kill shot. I’ve watched the video over and over and I’m convinced.
there was no muzzle flash
And shooting someone ten feet away in front of thousands of people without aiming is just a bonkers idea.
There is a flash from my umpteen viewing.
Maybe its reflection but there is light coming out , it probably only lasts a frame.but it is there.
its not just the flash , there was no smoke discharge also.
If the shooter was in one of the many rooms or rooftops in the shadows from that angle you wouldn’t see the smoke. I saved an mp4 clip of that angle. There’s even a frame where you can see the bullet pass over his right shoulder. If you were on /pol/ that night you wouldn’t have seen it too.
yes i've seen those pics. that bigger camera behind the cell phone gun theory guy , that would make better sense then that cell phone shot.
The names Echo, Nova and to a lesser extent ShadowOps SCREAM AI LLM...
Their handlers could've been LLM based!
https://hsprecision.com/product/ptd-takedown-rifle/
Several models and calipers available.. Many purchased by corporate security teams. And others.
Take down long rifles are not that uncommon and made for ease of transport.
online friend just responded to this when I sent it to him:
thx
So that plane may come back into play here?
Aye, private aircraft can't just turn off transponder legally.
That was for the rest of the team to get away, to leave their patsy.
If you watch him jump off the roof, you can see the disappointment that there's no vehicle to pick him up - like they probably told him there would be. And then he fucked his leg up.
anon said that they planned for two cars
u/#mikeyep
What I see in the assassination video is a bullet hitting high on the chest lifting Charlies shirt and the bullet ricocheting off his bullet proof vest and penetrating into his neck.
The video of the shooter jumping off the roof shows something like a rifle in some frames and then as he is limping off, I don't see a rifle at all.
It makes no sense at all for the shooter to spend the time disassembling the rifle only to discard it in the trees East of the buildings. Logically the rifle should have been left at the scene, wiped clean, especially with no 'messages' left on it, if the perp really wanted to get away.
It feels like children playing out a video game in real life, especially the part where he didn't seem to have a plan after escaping. Someone goaded these adult children into doing the act. . .
Im not convinced Kirk was wearing any armor and if he was it was soft armor that wouldnt be obvious and would not ricochet. And if it was soft armor it would have been defeated by 30-06 at that range anyway. If it were rigid conglomerate ceramic armor it would have stopped the round without ricochet but it would have been obvious that he was wearing it. I think the ricochet theory is a no go.
agree
Im not convinced Kirk was wearing any armor and if he was it was soft armor that wouldnt be obvious and would not ricochet. And if it was soft armor it would have been defeated by 30-06 at that range anyway. If it were rigid conglomerate ceramic armor it would have stopped the round without ricochet but it would have been obvious that he was wearing it. I think the ricochet theory is a no go.
I just saw this video for time. https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1757874569358964.mp4
There is a hole that appears just below the shirt collar and looks to me like the bullet hit the top edge of plate armor.
Definitely the clearest video I have seen so far.
That's what I'm thinking to fren.
And the WHs didn't realize any of this? They don't monitor Discord? Maybe they really don't "have it all"! Or they do....
Echo- Elías Moreno. I'm coming up with nothing on this guy. any1 have any luck?
arteries definitely gush blood. jugular is the closest to the heart.... that shit will splatter. Youre stupid for spouting this shit. Shows you have no medical training/experience. STFU
Kek. To the point. Like the Voat days.
thx for the links
This entire comment is bullshit.