Sorry, but the Plan that you guys believe must be occurring on an international scale cannot coexist with a man who lacks the resources to build a non-pedophilic means of informing keyboard warriors about said plan. There are literally so many other options for someone with even a modest understanding of how these sites operate and a few thousand bucks to burn.
Right, but once again; it worked. The results mean that the outcome was possible, and therefore predictable if you understand the system well enough. You don't have access to the variables which made it possible, and so you are concluding that it wasn't predictable. That's faulty logic, no matter how you look at it.
It's like a reverse "God of the gaps" argument. "I don't understand why this happened, and so therefore there is no reason for it."
I can literally think of dozens of reasons why it could have happened. Maybe the complete lack of oversight was the ONE thing Q required. Maybe Q had operatives strategically placed in certain other forums and outlets that could drive attention to the "crumbs" so that they would draw eyeballs... You know, all the blogosphere articles in the early days with headlines such as "Mysterious entity on 8chan claims there is an evil cabal of Satanic pedophiles", etc.
And I already answered the child porn thing. If you post in a place where the readers could easily come into contact with child porn, it makes them more likely to accept that there are human trafficking networks all over the place.
I know people that have never been molested and never come into contact with any of that kind of material, and they are the hardest people to convince that it is a massive problem. It's the same concept as us privileged Americans finding it hard to understand that there are large swaths of the planet where people have no electricity, no food, no clean water, and where slavery still exists.
Out of sight, out of mind...
Once again, your inability to understand doesn't equate impossibility.
4chan, 8chan, I don't know. If I got wrong where it started, it doesn't change my point, I just never used those forums so I don't know exactly where it started or all the backstory behind its move from one to the other to 8kun or whatever.
I just know that wherever it began, it DID proliferate, and so you can't say "well I wouldn't have predicted it, so it couldn't possibly have been predicted."
Faulty logic.
I mean, if your biggest issue is why Q chose 4chan as the place to drop crumbs, then the outcomes seem to answer the question for you. The message spread like wildfire, and is still culturally relevant today as a result of that choice.
I think you would agree that IF there is a Cabal, then they likely control most mass communications networks.
That significantly cuts down the pool of potential places where Q might be able to safely operate, especially early in the operation. It would assume that once its messages began to proliferate, it would be resisted by those it was trying to expose. (I use "it", because we don't know how many people Q consists of.)
So, that leaves only places that exist in the dark corners of the internet. Places with enough traffic so that it might gain traction, but yet also places which weren't controlled by the opposition and which held freedom of speech and anonymity as being of utmost importance. Finally, you'd want a place where the people are wary of authority and likely to take seriously comments critical of the establishment power structures.
4chan was one of those places, and became even moreso in the leadup to the 2016 election as Trump supporters, memesters, and trolls began being censored off of other social networks and sought refuge there (Q first appeared in 2017). Also, if 4chan was the kind of place where child porn was commonly encountered (I never used it, so I am taking you at your word on that), then it would be the kind of place where people would likely BELIEVE that child trafficking networks exist. Just because a small percentage of people in a forum participate in an unsavory activity doesn't mean that most people in that forum wouldn't oppose that kind of activity. And the results speak for themselves; Q began on just such a forum as you've described, and yet has proliferated and grown into a movement of millions of supporters who vehemently oppose sex trafficking.
So, if your concern is that you wouldn't have predicted it to happen, and yet it happened, that only means you don't understand the complex system well enough to have predicted it, not that it COULDN'T have possibly been predicted.
This is the same exact question as "how could God allow suffering in the world if He was truly a good God"?
Because what does "good" matter without freedom? If God hadn't given us free will, then he could have created a perfect world. But what would the perfect world have mattered if every day was exactly the same, and nothing was any better or worse than anything else? If you have no suffering against which to compare pleasure, then how do you know the pleasure exists?
We live in a dualistic reality, and good cannot exist without evil. Trump said that everyone should make their own choice regarding the vaccine, and they have. We are at war. Casualties are inevitable in war. Ending the "pandemic" is necessary in order for the next phase of The Plan to commence. And if he hadn't pushed forth Operation Warp Speed, they'd have been able to drag this thing out for years, which would have kept courts from beginning to process all of the sealed indictments which are necessary for The Plan to move forward.
If you were expecting a "perfect" outcome, then you haven't fully come to understand the level of corruption we're dealing with, here. This country was rotten to the very core. You don't root out that level of corruption without innocents suffering.
Yeah, and peoples' minds can change, lol.
He used to also believe Orange Man Bad.
I used to also believe Q was a LARP started as a joke on 4chan, does that mean I don't actually believe it now?
When you are coming out from behind the veil, it doesn't happen all at once.
That info is being reported from leaked documents over secret meetings in the Kremlin.
LMAO
Yep, and any minute now, Adam Schiff is going to produce that hard evidence that he saw with his own eyes that proved Trump was a Russian stooge.
Aaaaaaaaany minute now...
"Leaked documents"... Thanks, I needed a laugh this afternoon.
Louise Mensch would be proud of your skills of deduction.
Everyone's hiring right now. Ditch the indoctrination factory and get a job. Move out. Tell your dad to piss off.
My apologies for misgendering! ;)
That's awesome, brother! Wish I could remember who it was that said it. Would love to buy that dude a beer when this thing is all over, lol.
Oh absolutely. I am happy with him doing exactly what he's doing. Man is a hero.
I've been following him since Jordan Peterson interviewed him and Peter ~4 years ago, and watching him take the red pill over time has been great. At first, you could tell he still thought American liberalism could be saved, while Boghossian was the more adamant that it was gone for good.
Now, Lindsay is the more outspoken critic of the two, and I'm here for it.
You should check out his Twitter recently.
Dude has gone full-bore based. Just keeps hitting everyone with the clown emoji and "your mom" jokes.
He's also autistic, per his own words, and he is 100% on-board that the election was stolen. I don't think he can be as deep in all this as he is without at least hearing of the Q stuff, and if he actually got past "Qanon" and read some of the actual Q drops, he might just be one of us but can't publicly say so without fearing losing all the credibility he has.
Not that I'm tied to the idea, but I would not be in the least surprised if he comes out once things really SHTF.
Mine was about as organic as can possibly be.
I BEGAN to wake up as a child, lol. (Kind of kidding, but kind of not.) I was a kid with a 140 IQ being taught in a rural public ed. system in a southern US county. So I acted out from day one. They couldn't keep me interested in anything. But in elementary school, at least, they advanced me through very rapidly because they understood fundamentally that the reason I was unruly is because they couldn't teach me anything I didn't already know.
Then the 90's rolled around, and the American approach to education rapidly changed. That's when the "teach to the lowest common denominator" approach hit hyperdrive, and so by the time I hit Junior High school I was completely forgotten about. I was not the kind of kid the new Ed. system was meant to help. So from that point on I became a pure malcontent. Disruptive, rebellious, and jaded.
Long story short, by the time high school rolled around and I got my license, I began skipping school. Skipped something like 50 days my junior year and 60 my senior year. Nearly aced the ACT while graduating with a sub-2.0.
Needless to say, I didn't garner any interest from colleges, (which was a blessing in disguise; cough no student loans cough). So after kicking around and working odd jobs for a couple years, I decided to join the military in winter of 2000.
That's when my awakening officially began, though it came slowly at first. I was still in tech school when 9/11 occurred. Got locked down in the chow hall all day when they shut our base down, and all we could do was watch the events unfold on the TV screen in there.
Fast forward to the leadup to the 2004 election, and I began seeing just how out of touch the media's portrayal of soldiers' opinions was, especially in regards to Kerry. None of us trusted that mother fucker, and yet all the media could do was fawn over him as some kind of hero. He genuinely gave me the heebie-jeebies so bad that I thought he might be the anti-Christ (even though I had lost my faith and considered myself an atheist at the time).
But when he didn't win in 2004, I felt a little bit better and that is about the time personal shit began soaking up all my attention. Had a kid, went through a divorce, got out of the military at the end of my enlistment so I could have custody, and was trying to get my feet under me just as the Great Recession kicked off. With the situation being what it was, I didn't really have attention to spare in the 2008 election, and so I didn't vote at all. Neither for or against Obama.
Fast forward to 2010, and the slow recovery was in full swing. I had a buddy at work who I would talk to about politics and how disillusioned I was by all mainstream media, and he got me into the more conservative blogosphere, where I was introduced to Ron Paul and instantly felt like I had finally found the guy who most represented my way of thinking about governance.
I fell hard into the Ron Paul Revolution, and was utterly gutted when I watched the shenanigans unfold in the 2012 primaries, and even more gutted when Obama won the election when I legitimately didn't know a single person (who wasn't a black person voting for him specifically because he was black) who liked him. I felt like I was taking crazy pills.
Over the next few years I fell hard down the libertarian rabbit hole. All I could do was talk politics and economics. I was a prolific "Debate Me, Bro" on facebook and Twitter and a few other message boards, until eventually it began taking a toll on my marriage. And then after the 2014 mid-terms I checked out completely in order to pay attention to my personal life.
The libertarian moment seemed to be over before it really began, and I felt utterly certain that the apparatus was going to install Hillary in 2016. I was totally black-pilled. I paid no attention whatsoever to the 2016 election. No one I was interested in was running, and I (like most people I knew) took the Trump run as a joke, meant to help solidify the Hillary campaign and give her a paper tiger to face in the general.
When he won, I laughed. But I didn't really take it seriously or think it meant anything was going to significantly change. But then the pushback started, and holy hell did that wake me up and fast.
I was active on a sports message board at the time, and we had an open thread where a lot of us regulars would talk about all kinds of shit day to day. Politics was one of those ongoing discussions, and most of the guys had been hanging around the blog for up to a decade, so we all knew each other pretty well (as well as you can know people "online"). Anyway, the "liberals" on the board began losing their fucking minds over Trump, and since I already took their opinions with a grain of salt, I was predisposed to "fact-check" everything they asserted. As I did, I began passively researching Trump, and then responding to them with clarifying context because they, without fail, ALWAYS misrepresented the facts.
And they were so fucking angry about it. That is what really caught me off guard; how the tone changed. These mild-mannered, polite-if-condescending country club conservatives and liberals just vociferously DESPISED Trump, even though they were completely wrong about everything they thought about him.
At the time, I hadn't really formed an opinion of the man, and so I began with a similar disclaimer before every post in which I was about to come to his defense:
"STOP MAKING ME DEFEND TRUMP!"
This escalated further and further, until eventually the board was taken over by insane leftists and the few remaining TDS liberals who could bear to listen to the Antifa fags "bashing the fash".
Anyway, fast forward to the Covid lockdowns. I was sent to work from home right at the beginning of the "pandemic", and decided that I should try to figure out wtf was going on. So I began reading everything I could get my hands on. I listened to Tim Pool, Steven Crowder, and a bunch of culture-war guys that I had latched onto back during Gamergate (which I didn't include here, but was another point in my awakening). I also watched the Covid task force briefings every single day, in their entirety. And that is when I truly figured out just how deep this whole thing went. Because I would listen to those briefings and then watch as every single fucking media account of them just blatantly lied about everything that was being said in them.
I began watching Bannon's War Room, Salty Cracker, and from there I found TDW (I had never become a redditor, as I dislike social media and facebook and Twitter took up all of my available bandwidth for that kind of thing).
I saw the pattern forming underneath the narrative. I kept feeling like there was more to the story. Something I was missing...
And then, on Jan 21st, when it seemed TDW had been completely taken over by shills and doomers while I could tell that Trump didn't seem like he felt like the fight was over, a GA commenter dropped into one of the threads on TDW to say "Holy shit this place has been black-pilled beyond recognition. If anyone is looking for a place for more level-headed conversation about this, you should come over to GreatAwakening.win."
And I did. As a TDW refugee...
And now I'm a full blown Q-tard who also rediscovered his faith in Christ. Thanks, jerks. (Just kidding; I love you guys.)
Point of the story is, outreach works. I got here because of a single comment that found me at just the right time, and I couldn't be happier to have found you guys.
WWG1WGA
NCSWIC
God wins.
Go ahead, downvote away.
Roger.
Oh for the love of God...
Either we believe Patriots in control or we don't. This is a Q board, not TDW, aka Doomer Central. This concern trolling bullshit is getting tiring. No wonder conservatives constantly cede ground to the left, leaving us in the situation we're in now. We're a bunch of pussies that think everything is controlled opposition and so we retreat from battlefields that might not even be battlefields.
If we're late into the plan, then more than likely Amazon and Google have already flipped. I certainly believe they have, based on the comms I've seen.
But what the hell are y'all so scared of? You are free to speak in the country, unless you just stop speaking without even being told to. That's kinda the point of this whole movement, ya know?
For all the dooming and glooming over Parler, I sure as shit haven't been seeing all the Patriots that went there and set up accounts being rounded up and put into the gulags. So where's the fire? Maybe it's just in your head...
Patriots are in control.
NCSWIC.
God wins.
FFS, this place has been a doom factory lately.
You're too damn scared, bro. Either you believe patriots in control, or you don't. But still running like a little biotch from Google is lame as fuck. Don't retreat from the battlefield. Man up.
Thank you, and I still think we agree on pretty much everything. Let me address your one remaining concern:
"I don't believe half-truths are beneficial (have value), and would argue they are more harmful than untruths. (Half truth, in this case, that the event is going to happen, and the other half being the time at which it occurs.)"
I think this is more because of how you are dividing the "truth" into a half-truth. If the "datefag" in question was ONLY providing a predictive date without any context as to "why" they think something will occur on that date, then you would be correct. The value I am talking about is that most of the time when someone "datefags" they do so for a reason, and they lay out their case for WHY they think it will happen on a certain date. They draw connections between events that are occurring in the world and Q posts. So the value they are providing is that even though the connections they identify may not actually culminate in the event occurring, they still may have provided a useful nugget of information within their thought process which helps us to build out further our understanding of the Q posts.
So for instance, if someone sees an article about a significant news event occurring in Zimbabwe, and they conclude that it might be tied to a Q post, and then they derive a false notion that it means X thing will occur on X day, then they may have been wrong about their prediction, but the event in Zimbabwe might still be an important event that is connected in some way, that we would not have otherwise known about unless they had randomly encountered it and drawn the connection.
This is exactly the mechanism by which God asserts that Satan serves God's will with his lies. Lies only serve to make the truth shine brighter. They may hold in the short term, but eventually they only make the truth easier to see.
Hell, you can see this with the media right now. For years, most of us believed them at least to be honest TO SOME DEGREE, but now that we've been exposed to the truth, we understand that almost always when you read the news, you can take it to mean the exact opposite of the point they're trying to convey. Their predictability in lying helps us to see the truth...
Also, I never said Q should be a religion. And I don't think it is. But Q in intrinsically tied in with Judeo-Christian beliefs and values. Q tells us to "pray" many, many times in its posts.
All I am pointing out is there is qualitative (if not quantitative) value in the religious mystique of "having faith". It encourages people to hold fast to their ideals, and not to succumb to the pressures of joining in with evil.
"Well, clearly no one cares that I have challenges communicating, I either have to be perfect in my words or I'm a "doomer," a "faggot," a "egomaniac," or "inconsequential."
I didn't call you any of these things. Chill out, man. I am just saying that for you to add to the conversation doesn't mean you need to bash others for how THEY choose to add to the conversation.
You didn't disagree with anything I said, you just built up a bunch of strawmen and knocked them down.
I know, because I don't disagree with anything you said, (except where you made claims I never made and attributed them to me).
I never characterized anyone who interprets anything differently than me in any particular way, and never put forth a single interpretation of Q posts in my comment. In fact, I am doing the exact opposite of what you're implying. I am saying that the people who interpret things in such a way as to "datefag" based on their interpretations provide value, even if they are wrong about a particular thing occurring on a particular date. They are providing data points to the larger context, as well as "hope", even if their exact prediction fails to manifest.
I also use the word Faith in exactly the same way you do, I never once said for people to have blind hope. We get proofs day after day that Q is a real phenomenon and therefore SOMETHING is going on behind the scenes. Just because tick-tocks don't manifest as predicted (because our human interpretations are imperfect) doesn't mean we stop believing. In the same way that Christians can still believe in the Second Coming day after day, despite it not occurring at a particular time, and yet they see God working in the world in real ways constantly. Otherwise, we'd have all given up by now since false prophets have been tick-tocking the Second Coming for centuries.
I also never said a word about people supporting or not supporting companies, so I have no idea where that objection even came from. I personally believe that you don't retreat from the battlefield, so I am still participating on every platform I did prior to being introduced to Q. Where better to subvert the propaganda than where it is occurring?
I understand your point, and don't disagree with you on principle.
But you are failing to grasp the importance of the exact mechanism you're decrying. Bolstering faith is necessary as we wait for the event of culmination (the "singularity") to occur. If enough people stop believing, then the event, when it occurs will have no meaning. If the majority of people have given up hope and embraced the inevitability of evil, then what point is revival? What would we be reviving?
Datefagging serves a real purpose, even if not scientifically quantifiable in its value. It reminds us to get our houses in order, because the end date is right around the corner. It encourages us to speak up and be forthright with our beliefs, because soon the cavalry will be coming. And the more of us speak up, the more we realize we're not alone. Belief in the inevitability of winning is literally the way movements form, it transforms belief into reality.
If you don't believe the singularity is going to occur, then it really is a question of "why are you here?" because that's exactly what the Q mythos is about. If you want to blackpill people as a selfish means toward hedging your bets, so that IF the singularity event never occurs you can proudly proclaim "see, I told you so!", then you're not really providing any value to the cause.
It is the same concept as religious faith. If you succumb to the belief that evil winning is inevitable, then you no longer have any rational justification not to join in. That's why faith is the highest virtue. It is the ability to hold on to "good" even in the face of overwhelming odds.
Actually...
(I just wanted to complete the "actually" trifecta, I don't disagree with anything you said.)
And what shape is a pyramid?
Anyone check that site he linked in the tweet? Redirects to a Driver Download software, but looks shady as fuck lol. Also the contact us, Eula, and Privacy Policy links at the bottom lead to 404 errors.
"Beginning"... LOL
Gotta love watching all these people pat themselves on the back for figuring out the other team's strategy with 0:02 left in the 4th Quarter.
I can respect that if your fundamental premise is not "Q is real" then it changes every downstream decision matrix. Not faulting you for that. The question is whether you are substituting "Q is NOT real" instead of "I have no idea".
It is the same problem I have with people who choose to identify as "atheist" instead of "agnostic". As soon as you identify as atheist, you are changing from a positive proposition "God exists" to a negative "No God exists". To take the agnostic position is the only reasonable position if you do not accept the proposition that God exists, otherwise you are choosing an equally indefensible logical proposition to the one you oppose, without even admitting that you are acting on faith, as a believer would freely admit.
Point being, there are plenty of reasons to think this is not just some kids trolling. First, there are 4953 total posts, many being extremely convoluted and using cryptographic codes which to this day have not been solved. Many which are using images never before seen as verified by reverse image searches. And there are countless coincidental correlations which beggar belief.
The exact minute of the announcement of John McCain's death, for one.
The fact that the first several Q posts explicitly linked HRC and Huma Abedin to Saudi Arabia, and then on 10/31/17 Q stated "Get the popcorn, Friday & Saturday will deliver on the MAGA promise" and then on Saturday, 11/4/17 Prince Alwaleed and several other princes were arrested in a massive change of power in Saudi Arabia.
Now, the casual observer would say "well yeah, but Q said HRC would be arrested, and that Huma and Podesta would be indicted." Sure, but Q also explicitly connected those people to the House of Saud, and then on the same day Q said a major action would take place, the House of Saud saw an unprecedented police action which took down the very people Q connected to them.
You might say "well yeah, but that isn't the same thing", and you'd be correct. But it also isn't something that a 20-year old basement dweller was likely to concoct out of thin air and then have the arrests in Saudi Arabia just so happen to occur on the same day, to keep the Q mythos alive and well.
And things like this happened over and over and over again.
So, while you are correct in that Q COULD be completely fake, your proffered rebuttal of it all being a casual LARP isn't nearly as likely as you make it out to be. I'd argue it is far less likely than that Q is real, tbh. There isn't any profit in it, by itself, and if it was just some kids having fun, 4953 often high detail posts over a 3 year period, including tons of obscure data points which have since been researched and confirmed, posts terminating for no good reason just before the election, with countless coincidental correlations to real world events, using original photos from inside highly controlled government areas, and garnering attention from the biggest mainstream news outlets and government officials all over the world without getting caught would be at the very least, the world's greatest prank of all time.