If SCOTUS or Pence did what we (selfishly) wanted them to do, then...
- military would NOT have been the only way
- there would have been no CHECKMATE
- no CASTLE ROCK
- no RED 1..6
- no fence around the Capitol (owl in fence, when does a bird sing)
- no Great Awakening (Trump would be President-Select for half the country)
So... are SCOTUS and Pence traitors? Maybe... but their inaction are not proof of that. So far, their inaction are perfectly consistent with THE PLAN.
Put me in the "Pence is dirty" camp.
Perhaps Pence is keeping his head attached by playing his part in the plan.
It depends on what he’s guilty of. There is no redemption for pedophilia and human trafficking, at least in this life.
I think Trump was able to flip pence, but only time will tell
“Pence / Ryan 2016”
Never forget.
I'll give Pence any credit that Trump gives him. You should too.
this. the only way i'll give him back an ounce of respect is if trump exonerates him. until trump does, pence is just another treasonous swamp monster traitor.
I will, I believe in redemption, particularly if Trump deems him worthy. Until then his past still exists.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
Yes. Thanks to PM and the vet explanations of the Red line crossings.
Yeah, I was thinking about this today. Had Pence not counted the fraudulent electors, it would have made for a contingent election. Then the republicans would have back-stabbed Trump and elected Biden, giving the military no reason to act (if that's what they're in fact doing) as essentially the government would have thrown out a fraudulent election and then gone through a proper, constitutional method to elect a president.
Solid reasoning.
I'm only giving consolation to those who Trump identifies as double agents playing for America.
Roberts is swamp, but I can conceive Gorsuch, ACB, Kavanaugh, and Pence playing along in their backstabbing to let it progress enough to catch as many swamp monsters as possible.
Meh, if nothing happens in the next couple days then I'm just going to say they're ALL pieces of shit swamp things and wash my hands of this whole mess.
definitely. anything short of Trump himself giving them reprieve himself means they're guilty.
That was the other sides plan for sure.
If we're watching a movie as Q says we are, that would mean:
Everything is under control
If everything is under control then why not wait for the very last second to flip the script?
That's how you wake people up and that's the #1 goal of this movement.
My anticipation is through the roof. Yet I'm strangly peaceful. I've accepted Trumps request To stand down and eat popcorn and and watch, I've not been let down.
This, and its bigger than just catching them all.
Trump, is going to build a 100% COMPLETELY NEW, MAGA-tastic government.
See the problem is even if you somehow cleared out all the bad people, the traitors, the evil people, the bastards, and hte globalists... there is still the fact the system was broken enough to let them gain control in the first place. Which means with the passing of time, the black hats will once again gain control of the US government and crush America.
The sad reality is the Constitution is a great idea, but it has holes and fatal flaws.
So to get America ready for actual change, he needed to show us all the system doesn't even remotely function, that in the WORST POSSLE CASE scenario of a horribly insane/unfit crook, be backed by traitors, as a major foreign power is subverting us....that none of the checks against foreign interference in our elections would work. This is all optics all the way down.
I believe this ends with a major rewrite of the constitution and how the government functions. It will be a republic government immune to treason and the power of special interests at the expense of the national interest.
But to get there, he had to get us on board. And the thing is...TECHNICALLY both Pence and SCOTUS were lawful.
See the fault is the states are all corrupt and lawfully certified their false votes. SOCTUS refused the case on the very valid grounds it would create precident where courts not votes decided elections, and Pence was lawfully certifying the official state votes. Sure it was mechanical, but they had to show the system as broken.
The goal, to get us here, with DC filled with soldiers because the storm is here.
And now things will get very dramatic.
The Constitution is fine. They have chipped away at it over time and we need to get back to the original structure. Death by a thousand cuts. No one stayed in their lane. Congress is the ONLY branch that is supposed to "make law." Some one decided if the used the word "regulation" they could punt the lawmaking obligation off to the executive branch unelected bureaucrats, and then say things like "We have to pass it (the law) to find out what's in it (the regulations). Unconstitutional. All of the "administrative agencies" - HHS, IRS, EPA - pretty much any acronym agency, is an unconstitutional exercise of power by unaccountable unelected bureaucrats. We are all in violation of some regulation somewhere. So all you have to do is piss off the wrong person and they will find the violation. That's how we became a country of men and not laws.
The 17th Amendment needs to be repealed. The House is supposed to be elected, the Senate is supposed to be appointed by the state legislators. A check and balance against mob rule.
We have courts essentially drafting legislation and declaring public policy, the Executive Branch drafting legislation and issuing edicts, and the legislature issuing subpoenas and holding "hearings" that are nothing more than political theatre. In more recent years we have the legislature attempting to tell the Commander in Chief when he can declare war.
This perfect machine of a republic has just been exposed to too many years of human nature. The founders knew that time would erode the original structure. To me, it's like a beautiful car being exposed to the elements and rusting over time. In this case the element is human nature. Time to pull it apart and rebuild it.
The fatal flaw is we the people asleep at the switch. We own this and we should support.the fix.
if trump saves america, we're going to need more than putting him on mt rushmore...
Q never once said "trust Pence". So, who is "traitor #2"? Who is "P"?
Hopefully not Pompeo, that would be a fucking mind blower lol.
nervous laughter
I'm also not in a lofty position of govt. where my decisions affect the lives of every person in this country. There are no National expectations of me to make vital decisions on behalf of our country the way we expect them of Pence
But you already know that. Your comment is just snark. No substance.
K....Gotcha.
There is merit to this argument. Q has many times told us to think logically and use common sense. Q has taught us about misdirection and misinformation. He has taught us to expand our thinking and that there are no Coincidences. He has often asked us to evaluate the relevance of some action taken by the patriots. I admit that my first reaction to Pence was, this guy is a traitor to our movement. Now that I have revisited the Pence action and applied the wisdom of Q, I can see so much more clearly. Future will prove past and I for one will give Pence a pass until it is shown otherwise. Can I add that my heart agrees as this issue really challenged me. I am a man of faith and betrayal by a friend is a hard one for me. I'm sure many of us had the same reaction.
I agree with you. If he was truly deep state he would have pushed the 25th Amendment to get rid of Trump.. He didn't do that so I am still waiting to see how this all plays out.
i hope so.. im running out of popcorn
I got plenty.
I see where you are going, and of course it’s “part of the plan” but definitely doesn’t mean that THEY (SC/Pence) are part of the plan. It says more to me that Trump and team knew this is what would happen and planned accordingly.
I don’t trust Pence. He’s always rubbed me the wrong way, even setting aside emails/events that suggest he’s a traitor.
And we all saw that fly land on his head during the debate. This spoke more to me than anything else.
I’m also going to point out that Trump’s first term was filled with traitors. Which was no accident. He kept all his enemies close.....
If I understand it right, SCOTUS is still hearing the case, they just turned down the emergency injunction to hear the case immediately. So technically, they played their part.
Pence - I don't know if it's disinfo or not. I would have to think that Pence is not VP without a lot of thought considering how important his role would had been and is solid.
Pence is following orders. This is all part of the plan.
Trust the plan, they needed to make the traitors think they absolutely won to properly spring the trap.
Thats my take too, Roberts may have yelled at them in the backroom but the conservative judges still could have outvoted the Lib judges. I believe they are also playing their part in the plan!
Something that still doesn't sit right with me about SCOTUS is that ALL of the Trump appointees voted against hearing the case. However, Thomas and Alito voted to hear it. Could it be that the newbies knew we needed to get to this point for the plan to work? ?
For me, it had to be shown that Trump SCOTUS picks were independent and not bought out.
Imagine the reaction if the 3 Trump picks had ruled in Trump's favour. Guaranteed national crisis, and not a single ounce of legitimacy for Trump in the next 4 years. Plus legacy forever stained as the 'President-Select'.
Yeahhhh like he's going along with the plan because why not. That's kind of how that head nod thing seemed after he said he wouldn't be VP. Still loved it though.
The masks and lockdowns are the sort of lemons that Trump uses to make lemonade with.
I hadn't considered SCOTUS may have voted the way Trump would have wanted... Great theory!
I came to this conclusion a few days ago, it's the only thing that made sense. Trump is an actor, and he put on a great performance.
I’m leaning towards Pence was always Deep State but he made a choice to do the right thing. His cancelled Israel trip was the movement that brought him in.
Interesting. Can you explain how the Israel trip cancellation relates to this?
The CLAS movement statement from Q about Pelosi or pence. I interpreted it as either/or. One was going to commit to the plan. If it was Pence then he would have to notify trump through some kind of statement or action. He cancelled the trip and refused the 25th amendment attempt. Just my thoughts.
I had heard before the 6th and before the SC decision not to hear the cases, the President/White House?? had a meeting with the Supreme Court justices. I don't know if it's true but I wondered if they were told not to take the case behind the scenes??
Part of any plan involving people has to be understanding their behavior. Most people are more predictable than they would like to think, even their alternate choices.
People need to stop looking superficially and start looking deeper into what's going on. Is Pence a bad guy? At this time I'm NOT sold on him being the bad guy. I think he's playing a part. We will know come Wednesday.
I go back and forth on this almost on the daily. We won't know for sure until this kicks off in earnest.
Breyer and roberts def not in on the plan, but acting as expected if known members of cabal and their lovely phone call re: Trump. Pence, I don’t know. He has been undercover as a horrible person if he is a white hat (penceryan2016, pence rosenstein coup, the Indiana children)
What is it we wanted they didn't do? Looks like it's happening the way we were told.
And Trump calling SCOTUS and Pence cowards? That's just some 8D chess moves I guess?
No deals!
We shall see but if it is part of the plan it had to be bought and sold. We need to keep it real. Anger at pence anger at the court.
Military being the "only way" would imply Pence is dirty. If he wasn't dirty he wouldn't have certified.
Or it implies that going through Pence was not a proper solution. What would you think would be Trump’s 2D term legitimacy if he had it that way?
BS! SCOTUS are corrupt and cowards, Pence is Deep State who tried to out Trump with Rosenstein.