6Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you receivedb from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not undisciplined among you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. Instead, in labor and toil, we worked night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9Not that we lack this right, but we wanted to offer ourselves as an example for you to imitate. 10For even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “If anyone is unwilling to work, he shall not eat.”
11Yet we hear that some of you are leading undisciplined lives and accomplishing nothing but being busybodies. 12We command and urge such people by our Lord Jesus Christ to begin working quietly to earn their own living. 13But as for you, brothers, do not grow weary in well-doing.
14Take note of anyone who does not obey the instructions we have given in this letter. Do not associate with him, so that he may be ashamed. 15Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.
I guess I would rather pay for it all out of my taxes than the day of but recently my kid has been complaining about the quality of food at her school. It use to be good. I'd rather be able to choose what services my taxes go towards that way it say I didn't have kids i could choose something other than school.
The food at schools is FULL of refined carbohydrates and hydrogenated oils. Fruit, fruit, fruit...fructose is like the number one cause of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Literally the worst foods to feed children. I'm disturbed by the lunch menu each time the new one rolls out.
I think it was Larry Elder who said that Democrats not only believe that a free lunch exists, but that Republicans are preventing them from getting it.
"The worst" by American standards where they are in no danger of starvation and have a cell phone and watch Netflix while smoking a blunt every night, yeah. It can get a lot worse.
Our healthcare system's benefit is that you can't be suddenly bankrupt due to a disease. I.E if you get cancer, you're not gonna be in sudden need of 250K to survive.
I'd say we need to improve our healthcare with a two-tier system, rather than single-payer.
Here's a dirty little secret: A lot of people end up not paying their hospital bills in the US. Hospitals and doctors then sell the debt to debt collectors for pennies on the dollar, and declare the loss on their taxes.
Yep and they keep negotiating with insurance for a while. Never pay the first bill as likely sooner another cheaper revised one will likely show up, but if you paid the first one it's mot like you'd get a refund for the difference later.
I would not say the US healthcare system is perfect, but the Canadian one is also far from it.
With respect to going bankrupt, in the US, you get health insurance to mitigate that. Obviously not everyone can afford health insurance, so that is an issue and something to look at fixing. But then again, getting squeezed to death with taxes (and health care is one of the biggest expenditures in the Canadian government's budget) isn't great either.
However, the worst thing about Canada's health care system is that because we get this so called 'free' health care (not free, taxpayers are milked to an insane amount to pay for it), is that we have to give up our rights in exchange for it (give up right in exchange for something most of us pay for. Man, the government is too good to us!(sarcasm if it wasn't obvious)).
For example (I'll use Ontario in this example as I know the most about what went on here and continues to go on) people were being told to stay home except for essential travel (a form of house arrest which is a removal of human rights) because our health care system was over-run (there were conflicting reports, in certain areas it was actually doing better than usual, so much of this could have actually been a lie. And according to the government's numbers, 3 extra people per hospital is enough to over-run it, however those might not be distributed evenly, so while one facility/hospital may get no extra people, another one may get 10). In context, this health-care system is over-run every year around this time for flu season and they never do anything to fix it. But even better, we were being told all summer by the government that there would be a second wave. And while they wasted money on advertisements related to this so-called pandemic, they didn't do anything about preparing for this so-called second wave they claimed was coming. So the government is able to mismanage the health care system and then use that as an excuse to take away our rights. I don't see that as a good trade-off. I'd rather be 250k in debt than have my human rights confiscated. But then again, I work for a living, the amount I pay in taxes for this failing system I could easily purchase health insurance 5 times over.
Another and quicker example is Quebec. Their health care system got so bad that the government lost a court case, on human rights grounds, and it forced them to allow private health facilities to operate in parallel with their public system. A little background: In most of Canada (definitely in Ontario, but no longer in Quebec), all health care facilities have to be part of the government's system, by law. You cannot have a private clinic that takes money from it's patients. In Quebec, their system got so bad, the courts acknowledged that by denying people access to private health care, the government was infringing on their human rights, chiefly because they could not rely on the public system their to treat them in a remotely timely manner (you apparently have to wait years just to get a family doctor in Quebec in many areas).
I will close this rant with just one quick point. One other down side of public health care is that you don't have a choice about the quality of treatment you will receive. You get what the government decides to give you and unless you decide to go abroad, you can't get anything else. So basically, if you get lucky, you will be treated well (and I know people who have gotten really good treatment in Canada). But if you get un-lucky, you're stuck with the treatment or facility you are given even you may very well die due to the sub-standard treatment (when compared to what you could have had if you were lucky) . You do not have the option to shop around. It's like a lottery. The leftist really like limited resources to be distributed on a lottery basis as opposed to some one willing to put effort into getting better treatment if it means more to them.
Insulin is a whole other story. It's a generic drug developed in the 1920s. As far as I know, Canada does not subsidize it so what you pay is the cost of producing it.
There is something messed up with the drug industry in the States. They usually use the excuse (for drugs under patent) that it's to re-coup the cost of developing the drug. But that just doesn't fly for insulin which was developed almost 100 years ago. Trump got the prices to drop, but under Xiden, they shot up again.
We pay a fortune in taxes. Federal income tax, state income tax (in some states), sales tax, property tax, school tax, inheritance/gift tax, medicare, social security, etc. etc. etc. We are taxed to death. But since it is spread out people don't realize how much we really pay in taxes. They even tax you if you want to take your own money out of retirement! It's insanity. I'd say 1/4 of our entire income goes to taxes.
My husband believes we should have a flat sales tax on goods. No income tax/property taxes, etc. Life necessities have a lower tax % and luxury items have a higher tax %.... this eliminates the IRS alltogether, and it naturally balances out that the more you buy and consume, the higher taxes you naturally pay. Poorer people will still pay less in taxes because necessities would be taxed at a lower rate.
Income tax is so ridiculous and unconstitutional, it's not even funny.
Well, I mean, that's all well and good that you have high taxes, but to be fair, your equation is missing out on the 0 dollars you pay in health insurance premiums. I know Canadians, and I know your drug insurance is nothing compared to the US.
In the US, we pay upwards of 1200 to 3000 dollars a month in health insurance premiums. That's 14,400 to 36,000 a year for a lot of people. You have to add our taxes + our health insurance premiums to compare against your taxes.
Show me the job in the US that pays your whole insurance. Even if you work at a major corporation, you get money taken out of your pay for health insurance.
That's one of the major hindrances to economic success in the US. Insurance is tied to your job, so it's a lot harder to start a business in the US because if you get stuck with a major medical bill while getting your business off the ground, you're done.
I knew a guy in Lorain Ohio, had that exact thing happen to him. Started a pizza shop, it did pretty well, was figuring he'd break even by end of year 2, got diagnosed with cancer, had no health insurance, blew his brains out at 43.
An honest poll from an honest "news" outlet would ask the question, "would you like other people to pay more taxes so you can have free education and healthcare?" Still would be retarded bullshit, but, honestly so.
I've heard wait times to see a Dr. in Canada are insane. And that there is a huge doctor shortage.
And hey I'm not saying our system is perfect, but I do not trust the gov't. I always challenge people to name one thing the gov't does better than private.
Private schools vs public schools
Private roads vs public roads
Private delivery companies (UPS/FedEx) vs gov't postal service
I have yet to think about one thing the gov't does better. Private isn't perfect, but there is accountability and competition with generally gets better service. Now, the problem with healthcare is the fact that there is no price comparison. (President Trump was trying to change that) which means they can charge whatever they want for an X ray and you can't shop around for better deals. There is also a problem with not letting insurance companies cross state lines which lowers competition. More competition, price transparency, and SOME regulations (nothing crazy) would help a lot.
Ultimately, I just do not trust that the gov't has my best interest at heart in regards to healthcare or pretty much anything. I want them involved in my life as little as humanly possible.
I completely agree. Canada's system is a disaster. In Canada, they also have comfort wards because they do not have enough physicians to treat patients. My neighbor's dad was put in a comfort ward to die despite having treatable conditions. The physicians made this choice not him or his family. My neighbor flipped out at the physicians in the comfort ward and said you don't go to med school to let people die and so on. Then they gave him a bunch of treatments and he was fine. That was 10 years ago and he just celebrated his 91st birthday. If my neighbor never yelled at the physicians in the comfort ward his dad would have died.
My dad's friend was also paralyzed due to a rare nerve condition and was operated on 28 days later. The nerve condition he had requires emergency surgery within 48 hours because time is function. My dad's friend never walked again. I actually know someone who had the same condition in the US, was operated on immediately and it took a few years but he walked again
I am going to be a physician and if medicine became socialized I would do something else. I do not want to work for the government. The government cannot even run a DMV and people want them to run their healthcare LOL. The Veteran's Administration used to be a disaster before Trump cleaned it up.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." -Ronald Reagan
I know right! It is absolutely disgusting. Americans are so stupid to want this. This country does not care about health, we are probably the fattest country. I also think the stories claiming that people lose their houses or have hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills are propaganda, sure some might be true but it is blown out of proportion. There are 31 million uninsured in America. Some of those people are homeless, some are mentally ill. I had a patient who is mentally ill that qualifies for Medicaid but they chose not to sign up for it and they would have never come to the doctor if they didn't break their hip, they also won't sign themselves up for a doctors appointment even if there was socialized medicine. I also have patients who chose not to have insurance. One patient and his wife have the option to get insurance at work and they elected not to because they think they are young and don't need it. They may have changed their minds after they had to pay for wrist surgery after a snowboarding accident. Anyways so another population of that 31 million has to be people who chose not to get it. One of my patients has pretty decent insurance and she is a cashier at McDonald's. I think the people who get stuck with these "bills" probably put themselves in that situation or they just want to live off the government. Those people aren't worth destroying the system for.
One of my dad's friends from hockey came here to play in the NHL and then went back to Canada after his career. He wanted to get his hip replaced but in Canada, he didn't want to wait 8 months because if you wait that long for a hip replacement when you are at end-stage osteoarthritis you will get herniated discs in your back and end up needing back surgery. So he came to the US and paid for it out of pocket because he had enough money from playing in the NHL. There are plenty of people from Canada that also come here for heart surgeries and pay full price because they will die if they wait 6 months in Canada.
My dad had an extended stay in the hospital a few years ago like a solid month and a half. He had to pay maybe a couple of hundred dollars of his $150K bill because he had great insurance because he had a very great job. I have literally always seen having great insurance as one of the many incentives to get a great job. This world is backwards and dangerous.
So, if you are low-priority, the wait times are stupid. A lot of people have issues that are hard to / impossible to fix and diagnose, and those end up back of the line.
But mom had a cancer scare and was cleared in a week from beginning to end.
I think private/public combined healthcare is much better. Right now, those people who can afford private healthcare must wait in the same line as people who can't.
I would be okay with some sort of combination. I think the idea of having free clinics is very good to help with basic stuff. I wouldn't mind those having a combination of federal/private funding.
I'm also big on incentives. Have a loan forgiveness plan if doctors donate so many hours of their time to working in free clinics, etc. That may encourage more people to become doctors that don't feel like they can afford the outrageous tuition.
I feel like there are SO many different solutions to these problems, but everyone is too busy fighting instead of compromising and coming up with real workable solutions.
I will say our healthcare was a million times better before Obama touched it. Obamacare was a disaster. I used to have a simple plan for $135 a month. It had a high out of pocket deductible ($5K), but $5K does not put you in the poor house, and $135 a month was doable for us even though money was very tight back then.
Now, for a plan like I had in 2010, it would cost at least $1,000 a month. It's crazy!
Perhaps if expensive "treatments" weren't shredded behind the promise of insurance and government payouts, they would be less expensive. Everything else in medical care (and elements of auto repairs) costs as much as they do, in part, because people don't price compare. Someone else will make the direct payment.
The problem is that if you add health insurance to our current tax bill, a lot of Americans in the middle class currently pay more in taxes than our European frens
Americans are subsidizing cheaper drug prices for the rest of the world. Biden put a stop to Trump's executive order which would have put us on a level playing field in that regard.
The true question would be, "Would you vote to have those who make more than you pay more taxes so you could have free education & health care?" As has been said and quoted many times -- Socialism works until you run out of other people's money.
No, but I'd pay more to get CNN and the rest of MSM OFF THE cable and air..permanently including their talking heads, spin meisters, and the rest of their pathetic staffs.
I guess people are dumb and dont realized that schools are partially funded by property taxes... which allows for residents of each county to attend Public Schools.
Sure, cuz that education will come in handy when I'm starving on the streets because taxes are so high I can't afford a home or food. Forget about having a family.
But it will be awesome for all of the low lifes who don't want to work.
so you "just notice a little more corruption in the private ones."? how's that?
public run anything around here is inept and inefficient at best and corrupt to the core more likely.
people that aren't asleep realize the agenda of "universal health care" snd "free health care". it's to have control over the people and their health care choices but limiting them when not altogether mandating them.
sorry your family had a history of some bipolar, we're gonna have to abort that baby
sorry, but to continue to receive coverage you'll need the covid shot schedule twice a year for life
sorry, your dad is very old and frail and our health care system is not designed to go to such extremes to keep folks with such conditions alive
sorry, you've had your 1 kid and the UN, which we take our guidance from, has stated that yout can't have anymore lest you emit more than your quota of "greenhouse gases" so we're going to fix you like a dog
you must be a shill right? no half thinking reasonable person believes government run health care is a good idea. private and public are corrupt don't get me wrong, but once one gets on the government teet it's real hard to get off
if you truly care you need to research and understand the bigger picture and understand who the cabal is and what their admitted and obvious goals are. while your system may appear to be working fine, its right where the cabal wants it.
i am not a proponent of the overall health care system fyi, not just about public vs private. it's all corrupt and more about keeping people sick than it is about making people healthy.
why when most people, at least here in the states, go to the doctor for some chronic condition does the doctor not analyze their diet and focus heavily on how they can naturally address their condition, but instead seek to load them up on meds ?
there's real data and facts out there but honestly this matter us an ant among what plagues this world
we largely agree fren. while i partially agree people need to be diligent about researching health care, there are too many that are yoo naive and trust all doctors and pharmas, those that need to work so many hours a week that they just don't have time or at least the bandwidth (without some mindless activity time) or those that simply aren't equipped to figure it out on their own for whatever reason
when options for healthcare disappear and we're all on government health we are too susceptible to being forced into care choices we don't agree with
i dream of the day i can have faith in all people regardless of whether they're in the private or public sector.
To be fair, the price of education, as the medical field, is conflated and inflated. Gaining knowledge and skills isn't that hard. And certifying said skills and knowledge shouldn't be hard either.
But instead, we have a system where people pay money for a worthless piece of paper, and learn nothing.
On top of this, you can already get into most community colleges for free. Just don't take on any student loans. As the education is free, as for your living expenses. That's on you.
Sometimes I’m impressed that they’ve gotten people to believe that free lunch is actually possible.
My family motto: You don't get somethin for nothin.
Ours is "nothing is free".
Ours is if you don't work, you don't eat
Nice. Biblical.
6Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you receivedb from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not undisciplined among you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. Instead, in labor and toil, we worked night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9Not that we lack this right, but we wanted to offer ourselves as an example for you to imitate. 10For even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “If anyone is unwilling to work, he shall not eat.”
11Yet we hear that some of you are leading undisciplined lives and accomplishing nothing but being busybodies. 12We command and urge such people by our Lord Jesus Christ to begin working quietly to earn their own living. 13But as for you, brothers, do not grow weary in well-doing.
14Take note of anyone who does not obey the instructions we have given in this letter. Do not associate with him, so that he may be ashamed. 15Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.
Ours? Be so badass you have to kick your own ass twice a day.
I used to tell people I could kick their ass. Then I would kick up around the level of their heads. Most of them caught on.
I guess I would rather pay for it all out of my taxes than the day of but recently my kid has been complaining about the quality of food at her school. It use to be good. I'd rather be able to choose what services my taxes go towards that way it say I didn't have kids i could choose something other than school.
The food at schools is FULL of refined carbohydrates and hydrogenated oils. Fruit, fruit, fruit...fructose is like the number one cause of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Literally the worst foods to feed children. I'm disturbed by the lunch menu each time the new one rolls out.
Make yourself heard at Board mtngs or at PTA. Good food is ESSENTIAL!!!
I think it was Larry Elder who said that Democrats not only believe that a free lunch exists, but that Republicans are preventing them from getting it.
For people who have no income that's certainly the case
TANSTAAFL
https://youtu.be/fK5CLplRIno
"free" and "more taxes" just don't go together.
It's free for those who pay no taxes.
In a sense but they still pay by the rest of the economy suffering around them.
Welfare crowd already generally lives in the worst situation, some of them probably secretly enjoy seeing the hand that feeds struggle.
"The worst" by American standards where they are in no danger of starvation and have a cell phone and watch Netflix while smoking a blunt every night, yeah. It can get a lot worse.
We'll last a while being workhorses and mules working twice as much for half the pay and they'll still get their checks.
How many people already work 3 jobs while the welfare kings and queens rob us, assault us, drive up crime, and so it goes.
Nobody said doing the right thing will be easy. But it will be right. Godspeed to you.
Jokes on them, because taxes don't pay for much. The Fed has to keep printing money, and inflation hurts everyone.
Shocked I am that 33% think so.
Our healthcare system's benefit is that you can't be suddenly bankrupt due to a disease. I.E if you get cancer, you're not gonna be in sudden need of 250K to survive.
I'd say we need to improve our healthcare with a two-tier system, rather than single-payer.
Here's a dirty little secret: A lot of people end up not paying their hospital bills in the US. Hospitals and doctors then sell the debt to debt collectors for pennies on the dollar, and declare the loss on their taxes.
Yep and they keep negotiating with insurance for a while. Never pay the first bill as likely sooner another cheaper revised one will likely show up, but if you paid the first one it's mot like you'd get a refund for the difference later.
I would not say the US healthcare system is perfect, but the Canadian one is also far from it.
With respect to going bankrupt, in the US, you get health insurance to mitigate that. Obviously not everyone can afford health insurance, so that is an issue and something to look at fixing. But then again, getting squeezed to death with taxes (and health care is one of the biggest expenditures in the Canadian government's budget) isn't great either.
However, the worst thing about Canada's health care system is that because we get this so called 'free' health care (not free, taxpayers are milked to an insane amount to pay for it), is that we have to give up our rights in exchange for it (give up right in exchange for something most of us pay for. Man, the government is too good to us!(sarcasm if it wasn't obvious)).
For example (I'll use Ontario in this example as I know the most about what went on here and continues to go on) people were being told to stay home except for essential travel (a form of house arrest which is a removal of human rights) because our health care system was over-run (there were conflicting reports, in certain areas it was actually doing better than usual, so much of this could have actually been a lie. And according to the government's numbers, 3 extra people per hospital is enough to over-run it, however those might not be distributed evenly, so while one facility/hospital may get no extra people, another one may get 10). In context, this health-care system is over-run every year around this time for flu season and they never do anything to fix it. But even better, we were being told all summer by the government that there would be a second wave. And while they wasted money on advertisements related to this so-called pandemic, they didn't do anything about preparing for this so-called second wave they claimed was coming. So the government is able to mismanage the health care system and then use that as an excuse to take away our rights. I don't see that as a good trade-off. I'd rather be 250k in debt than have my human rights confiscated. But then again, I work for a living, the amount I pay in taxes for this failing system I could easily purchase health insurance 5 times over.
Another and quicker example is Quebec. Their health care system got so bad that the government lost a court case, on human rights grounds, and it forced them to allow private health facilities to operate in parallel with their public system. A little background: In most of Canada (definitely in Ontario, but no longer in Quebec), all health care facilities have to be part of the government's system, by law. You cannot have a private clinic that takes money from it's patients. In Quebec, their system got so bad, the courts acknowledged that by denying people access to private health care, the government was infringing on their human rights, chiefly because they could not rely on the public system their to treat them in a remotely timely manner (you apparently have to wait years just to get a family doctor in Quebec in many areas).
I will close this rant with just one quick point. One other down side of public health care is that you don't have a choice about the quality of treatment you will receive. You get what the government decides to give you and unless you decide to go abroad, you can't get anything else. So basically, if you get lucky, you will be treated well (and I know people who have gotten really good treatment in Canada). But if you get un-lucky, you're stuck with the treatment or facility you are given even you may very well die due to the sub-standard treatment (when compared to what you could have had if you were lucky) . You do not have the option to shop around. It's like a lottery. The leftist really like limited resources to be distributed on a lottery basis as opposed to some one willing to put effort into getting better treatment if it means more to them.
Trust me. I know. I'm in BC. Fuck my life.
Still, I pay measly $2000 per year for insulin, vs the $40,000 I have to if I lived in the states.
Insulin is a whole other story. It's a generic drug developed in the 1920s. As far as I know, Canada does not subsidize it so what you pay is the cost of producing it.
There is something messed up with the drug industry in the States. They usually use the excuse (for drugs under patent) that it's to re-coup the cost of developing the drug. But that just doesn't fly for insulin which was developed almost 100 years ago. Trump got the prices to drop, but under Xiden, they shot up again.
We pay a fortune in taxes. Federal income tax, state income tax (in some states), sales tax, property tax, school tax, inheritance/gift tax, medicare, social security, etc. etc. etc. We are taxed to death. But since it is spread out people don't realize how much we really pay in taxes. They even tax you if you want to take your own money out of retirement! It's insanity. I'd say 1/4 of our entire income goes to taxes.
My husband believes we should have a flat sales tax on goods. No income tax/property taxes, etc. Life necessities have a lower tax % and luxury items have a higher tax %.... this eliminates the IRS alltogether, and it naturally balances out that the more you buy and consume, the higher taxes you naturally pay. Poorer people will still pay less in taxes because necessities would be taxed at a lower rate.
Income tax is so ridiculous and unconstitutional, it's not even funny.
Income tax is literally the 16th amendment.
It uh... doesn't get any more constitutional than that, sorry.
You can dislike it, but it went through the ratification process, so it's the Constitution now.
You will never in a million billion years get the Supreme Court to rule an amendment to the Constitution unconstitutional.
But, who defines luxury items?
The people stealing your money
How many Canadians lose their homes over hospital bills though?
So what is approximately the percentage you take home after all the income taxes?
"The average Canadian family spent more than 42 per cent of its income on taxes in 2019"
That's including sales taxes, property taxes, and whatever else.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/taxes-versus-necessities-of-life-canadian-consumer-tax-index-2020-edition?utm_source=Media-Releases&utm_campaign=Canadian-Consumer-Tax-Index-2020&utm_medium=Media&utm_content=Learn_More&utm_term=531
Well, I mean, that's all well and good that you have high taxes, but to be fair, your equation is missing out on the 0 dollars you pay in health insurance premiums. I know Canadians, and I know your drug insurance is nothing compared to the US.
In the US, we pay upwards of 1200 to 3000 dollars a month in health insurance premiums. That's 14,400 to 36,000 a year for a lot of people. You have to add our taxes + our health insurance premiums to compare against your taxes.
Get a job that pays your insurance
Show me the job in the US that pays your whole insurance. Even if you work at a major corporation, you get money taken out of your pay for health insurance.
That's one of the major hindrances to economic success in the US. Insurance is tied to your job, so it's a lot harder to start a business in the US because if you get stuck with a major medical bill while getting your business off the ground, you're done.
I knew a guy in Lorain Ohio, had that exact thing happen to him. Started a pizza shop, it did pretty well, was figuring he'd break even by end of year 2, got diagnosed with cancer, had no health insurance, blew his brains out at 43.
An honest poll from an honest "news" outlet would ask the question, "would you like other people to pay more taxes so you can have free education and healthcare?" Still would be retarded bullshit, but, honestly so.
In Canada we have a single-payer healthcare insurance system.
The bad part is obviously more taxes.
But the good part is that it's not possible to be bankrupted by a large medical bill arising form things like Cancer or whatnot.
Win some lose some.
I've heard wait times to see a Dr. in Canada are insane. And that there is a huge doctor shortage.
And hey I'm not saying our system is perfect, but I do not trust the gov't. I always challenge people to name one thing the gov't does better than private.
Private schools vs public schools Private roads vs public roads Private delivery companies (UPS/FedEx) vs gov't postal service
I have yet to think about one thing the gov't does better. Private isn't perfect, but there is accountability and competition with generally gets better service. Now, the problem with healthcare is the fact that there is no price comparison. (President Trump was trying to change that) which means they can charge whatever they want for an X ray and you can't shop around for better deals. There is also a problem with not letting insurance companies cross state lines which lowers competition. More competition, price transparency, and SOME regulations (nothing crazy) would help a lot.
Ultimately, I just do not trust that the gov't has my best interest at heart in regards to healthcare or pretty much anything. I want them involved in my life as little as humanly possible.
I completely agree. Canada's system is a disaster. In Canada, they also have comfort wards because they do not have enough physicians to treat patients. My neighbor's dad was put in a comfort ward to die despite having treatable conditions. The physicians made this choice not him or his family. My neighbor flipped out at the physicians in the comfort ward and said you don't go to med school to let people die and so on. Then they gave him a bunch of treatments and he was fine. That was 10 years ago and he just celebrated his 91st birthday. If my neighbor never yelled at the physicians in the comfort ward his dad would have died.
My dad's friend was also paralyzed due to a rare nerve condition and was operated on 28 days later. The nerve condition he had requires emergency surgery within 48 hours because time is function. My dad's friend never walked again. I actually know someone who had the same condition in the US, was operated on immediately and it took a few years but he walked again
I am going to be a physician and if medicine became socialized I would do something else. I do not want to work for the government. The government cannot even run a DMV and people want them to run their healthcare LOL. The Veteran's Administration used to be a disaster before Trump cleaned it up.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." -Ronald Reagan
Ugh Hearing those horrible stories makes me sick!
I know right! It is absolutely disgusting. Americans are so stupid to want this. This country does not care about health, we are probably the fattest country. I also think the stories claiming that people lose their houses or have hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills are propaganda, sure some might be true but it is blown out of proportion. There are 31 million uninsured in America. Some of those people are homeless, some are mentally ill. I had a patient who is mentally ill that qualifies for Medicaid but they chose not to sign up for it and they would have never come to the doctor if they didn't break their hip, they also won't sign themselves up for a doctors appointment even if there was socialized medicine. I also have patients who chose not to have insurance. One patient and his wife have the option to get insurance at work and they elected not to because they think they are young and don't need it. They may have changed their minds after they had to pay for wrist surgery after a snowboarding accident. Anyways so another population of that 31 million has to be people who chose not to get it. One of my patients has pretty decent insurance and she is a cashier at McDonald's. I think the people who get stuck with these "bills" probably put themselves in that situation or they just want to live off the government. Those people aren't worth destroying the system for.
One of my dad's friends from hockey came here to play in the NHL and then went back to Canada after his career. He wanted to get his hip replaced but in Canada, he didn't want to wait 8 months because if you wait that long for a hip replacement when you are at end-stage osteoarthritis you will get herniated discs in your back and end up needing back surgery. So he came to the US and paid for it out of pocket because he had enough money from playing in the NHL. There are plenty of people from Canada that also come here for heart surgeries and pay full price because they will die if they wait 6 months in Canada.
My dad had an extended stay in the hospital a few years ago like a solid month and a half. He had to pay maybe a couple of hundred dollars of his $150K bill because he had great insurance because he had a very great job. I have literally always seen having great insurance as one of the many incentives to get a great job. This world is backwards and dangerous.
So, if you are low-priority, the wait times are stupid. A lot of people have issues that are hard to / impossible to fix and diagnose, and those end up back of the line.
But mom had a cancer scare and was cleared in a week from beginning to end.
I think private/public combined healthcare is much better. Right now, those people who can afford private healthcare must wait in the same line as people who can't.
Absolutely retarded.
I would be okay with some sort of combination. I think the idea of having free clinics is very good to help with basic stuff. I wouldn't mind those having a combination of federal/private funding.
I'm also big on incentives. Have a loan forgiveness plan if doctors donate so many hours of their time to working in free clinics, etc. That may encourage more people to become doctors that don't feel like they can afford the outrageous tuition.
I feel like there are SO many different solutions to these problems, but everyone is too busy fighting instead of compromising and coming up with real workable solutions.
I will say our healthcare was a million times better before Obama touched it. Obamacare was a disaster. I used to have a simple plan for $135 a month. It had a high out of pocket deductible ($5K), but $5K does not put you in the poor house, and $135 a month was doable for us even though money was very tight back then.
Now, for a plan like I had in 2010, it would cost at least $1,000 a month. It's crazy!
Perhaps if expensive "treatments" weren't shredded behind the promise of insurance and government payouts, they would be less expensive. Everything else in medical care (and elements of auto repairs) costs as much as they do, in part, because people don't price compare. Someone else will make the direct payment.
Health outcomes are also much worse.
I’d rather go bankrupt than die.
Bankruptcy must suck in canada its basically meaningless here after a year or so.
Poll questions are normally and intentionally bias. I am actually more impressed that people are not falling for it. 67% No.
The problem is that if you add health insurance to our current tax bill, a lot of Americans in the middle class currently pay more in taxes than our European frens
Americans are subsidizing cheaper drug prices for the rest of the world. Biden put a stop to Trump's executive order which would have put us on a level playing field in that regard.
Yeah but we gotta send 90% of our money overseas!
Did they take it down? I can’t find it. Wanna see that comment ratio.
I copied from a friend on facebook. No sauce.
"Would you pay more taxes for FORCED education & health care?"
there, fixed it
The true question would be, "Would you vote to have those who make more than you pay more taxes so you could have free education & health care?" As has been said and quoted many times -- Socialism works until you run out of other people's money.
No, but I'd pay more to get CNN and the rest of MSM OFF THE cable and air..permanently including their talking heads, spin meisters, and the rest of their pathetic staffs.
How about pay no ducking income tax, so that I can puy my child on the damn school I want.
Rule of 20/80, actually. 20% productive, 80% parasites.
Wow, 33% of those polled are idiots. What part of paying higher taxes is not the definition of FREE do you 33% idiots not understand???
It works just fine in Europe.
Uh huh, and look at the state Europe is in...
No thanks.
Governor Wolf of PA once said he was not going to raise taxes he was just going to tax more things! No one said a thing.
Well, at least two thirds of respondents get it.
Well, seems someone won a gold metal in mental gymnastics.
Canadian here.
We call it single payer, only propagandists use the word free.
I have birth defect and have had 3 open heart surgeries.
Buy one for the price of two and get the second one free!
I guess people are dumb and dont realized that schools are partially funded by property taxes... which allows for residents of each county to attend Public Schools.
Sure, cuz that education will come in handy when I'm starving on the streets because taxes are so high I can't afford a home or food. Forget about having a family.
But it will be awesome for all of the low lifes who don't want to work.
so you "just notice a little more corruption in the private ones."? how's that?
public run anything around here is inept and inefficient at best and corrupt to the core more likely.
people that aren't asleep realize the agenda of "universal health care" snd "free health care". it's to have control over the people and their health care choices but limiting them when not altogether mandating them.
sorry your family had a history of some bipolar, we're gonna have to abort that baby
sorry, but to continue to receive coverage you'll need the covid shot schedule twice a year for life
sorry, your dad is very old and frail and our health care system is not designed to go to such extremes to keep folks with such conditions alive
sorry, you've had your 1 kid and the UN, which we take our guidance from, has stated that yout can't have anymore lest you emit more than your quota of "greenhouse gases" so we're going to fix you like a dog
you must be a shill right? no half thinking reasonable person believes government run health care is a good idea. private and public are corrupt don't get me wrong, but once one gets on the government teet it's real hard to get off
if you truly care you need to research and understand the bigger picture and understand who the cabal is and what their admitted and obvious goals are. while your system may appear to be working fine, its right where the cabal wants it.
i am not a proponent of the overall health care system fyi, not just about public vs private. it's all corrupt and more about keeping people sick than it is about making people healthy.
why when most people, at least here in the states, go to the doctor for some chronic condition does the doctor not analyze their diet and focus heavily on how they can naturally address their condition, but instead seek to load them up on meds ?
there's real data and facts out there but honestly this matter us an ant among what plagues this world
we largely agree fren. while i partially agree people need to be diligent about researching health care, there are too many that are yoo naive and trust all doctors and pharmas, those that need to work so many hours a week that they just don't have time or at least the bandwidth (without some mindless activity time) or those that simply aren't equipped to figure it out on their own for whatever reason
when options for healthcare disappear and we're all on government health we are too susceptible to being forced into care choices we don't agree with
i dream of the day i can have faith in all people regardless of whether they're in the private or public sector.
pretty much how they dupe them.
Real question they mean to ask is...would you take free education and medical care and let those who work for a living pay more taxes?
So much retarded bullshit these days.
Anyone catch the GayBC's? These people are fucking sick.
The people who would receive the free education and healthcare are not the people who would be paying the taxes.
? there's that "33" thing again...?
It's C-Span. 'Nuff said.
*Everything just keeps getting stupider. * Yes I said it like that on purpose.
I love Ron Paul
To be fair, the price of education, as the medical field, is conflated and inflated. Gaining knowledge and skills isn't that hard. And certifying said skills and knowledge shouldn't be hard either.
But instead, we have a system where people pay money for a worthless piece of paper, and learn nothing.
On top of this, you can already get into most community colleges for free. Just don't take on any student loans. As the education is free, as for your living expenses. That's on you.
33% feel the people who are working should pay for the leeches.
Must be that common core mathses.