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posted ago by Americanapplepie ago by Americanapplepie +39 / -1

When the time comes for the antiChrist to emerge, does the antiChrist know he is the antiChrist? Like, has he always known? Or is it something that just manifests when the time is right?

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jcab93 25 points ago +25 / -0

Hillary Clinton is fully aware that she is Hillary Clinton.

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Americanapplepie [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

? touché

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Covfefeovertea1776 3 points ago +3 / -0

Noice.

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CMAnon 3 points ago +3 / -0

good one!

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bubble_bursts 1 point ago +1 / -0

Are you sure? Going by what Huma wrote to her brother, even this is doubtful

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Jtap 9 points ago +9 / -0

I strongly reading revelation 13. (Kjv for unadulterated speech)

Revelation 13

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I pray these words come of the Holy Ghost in Jesus name, amen.

I think whether he knows or not isn't as terrifying as knowing how many people who will openly embrace him and not know any better.

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Slyver 1 point ago +1 / -0

To me the first beast sounds like the cabal upper management, and the second beast (the anti-christ?) sounds like Bill Gates.

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Jtap 6 points ago +6 / -0

Revelation 17 explains what the metaphors are:

Revelation 17

1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Find the whole city and find, I believe, a better representation of who the anti christ is. The Bible says in thessalonians he will sit where he ought not and claim to be God. So even if we don't know now he'll make it very easy for those that are sealed by the Holy Ghost in the book of life will know.

2 Thessalonians 2

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

Though that would be a simple solution, of the which I'm open to be wrong about; I believe it's not yet for us to know. The Bible makes it clear that this beast will be a beast many will WANT to worship so I think getting up to date on mob rule is important around now so we can all see which direction not to walk.

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Covfefeovertea1776 6 points ago +6 / -0

I would say that they would know. They will claim to be Christ, a savior, they will perform amazing acts and miracles causing many to follow him. He will demand worship of him. I would assume he would come seemingly out of nowhere. No family. Can't imagine the anti-christ being a cute cuddly baby lol.

Just my thoughts from what I remember reading in the Bible.

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Americanapplepie [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

No you’re right about his false miracles or whatever. But I wonder if it’s something that just happens one day or is he groomed? Idk. Just came to me one day and I didn’t have an answer.

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young_roshi 2 points ago +2 / -0

I would say they are groomed by the devil. I say "they" because only God knows when the events of Revelation will be started, and so the devil has likely had to prepare multiple "successors" these past couple millennia.

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thedeadbeatnik -1 points ago +2 / -3

What if the Gnostic Jesus is the "real" Jesus and the new testament Jesus is the antichrist?

It seem to fit cofefeovertea1776 description of the NT Jesus.

1 John 4:3

This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

So the antichrist was alive during John's life time.

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thedeadbeatnik 0 points ago +1 / -1

The NT was written AFTER the OT. Extremely easy to fulfill prophecies after the fact. According to this article, very few prophecies were fulfilled. It even says, "Messiah would be named Immanuel (“God with us,” deity) [Isa. 7:14]"

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thedeadbeatnik 0 points ago +2 / -2

If the Catholic Church is pushing something Im not believing it, to my knowledge they are still pushing the NT, Jesus and the ritual human sacrifice of the Eucharist. They effectively eradicated the Gnostic religion, that tells me that the C.C. didn't want us to know something the Gnostics did, so sign me up for Gnosticism.

The Flavins and Joesphus wrote the NT to control the masses and to usurp the Jewish religion. The link shows you how they faked it and most definitley pulled it off. The C.C was the MSM of the time. If you were to tell someone what the DS and MSM was doing 30yrs ago they would have said the exact same thing you did, "someone couldn’t just fake or do on purpose to try and pull some trickery. "

I will watch The Case for Christ . Thanks

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Jackno8d 2 points ago +2 / -0

Maybe you're the anti christ.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're thoroughly confused about RCC. It didn't exist until 1054 AD.

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

It says "spirit" of the antichrist. That's Satan specifically working against (anti) the message of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

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GrayLine 5 points ago +5 / -0

The most compelling argument I've heard: The antichrist will believe he is doing God's will, but through a web of twists and lies, he is actually following Satan.

And the beast is Islam. This was a common assertion until the Ottoman Empire fell. From there, western scholars began looking elsewhere, forgetting that Revelation says the beast will be wounded, fall and rise again.

From Walid Shoebat and Joel Richardson's book God's War on Terror, Islam has its believers following what they think is God, but in actuality they fight against the Jews and Christians. Their prophesies of the end times are very similar to those in Revelation, but with the outcome of the battle reversed, ie Jesus returning to proclaim Islam as the truth and destroy the Jews. Baghdadi fancied himself as the Mahdi (which has the same characteristics as Christianity's antichrist), set himself up as the spiritual leader of the reformed caliphate, and nearly got there until he took a JDAM to the face.

So, in this scenario, look for the reformed islamic caliphate under a single ruler and their mahdi who deceives the world to follow them.

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JonnyQpublic 4 points ago +5 / -1

Who cares right now. Once they get the DARPA vax serum in you they will wipe your thoughts and give you new ones and taking the Mark of the Beast and worshipping him will not be difficult. But 1 pastor who preaches on Revelation explained the Beast will come out of Europe. Probably the EU President. The Anti-Christ comes from the most populist religion of the time...hmm.

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JonnyQpublic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Source John MacAurther Grace Community Church. Search audio sermons. I believe he has a 3 part sermon on Revelation.

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watchmanonthewall 4 points ago +4 / -0

Scripture does not give any indication as to when the antichrist becomes aware of who he is, or if he is aware of who he is. A definitive answer is impossible to give. Any assertion made is at best an inference.

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CavePeasant 4 points ago +4 / -0

When the anti-Christ emerges, we all need to unleash our inner Doom Marine.

Just watch any 5 minute speed run of Doom Eternal and you’ll know what I mean. Demons from Hell get both barrels AND the chainsaw.

Edit: For those that don’t know, Doom Eternal is a video game about a single man who stood alone against the forces of Hell. It’s basically the most Christian game ever made.

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Americanapplepie [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

Oh, I’m familiar with Doom ?. And yes, you are correct. Deus Vult!

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Deus vult! Except we won't be conquering, until we return with Christ. However that goes down. ..

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Slyver 4 points ago +5 / -1

The Anti Christ may already be dead.

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CaptainChrisPBacon 4 points ago +4 / -0

About the only thing I know about the anti-Christ is he would be the son of Satan. So I would say yes he would know he was the AntiChrist.

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Shine382106 3 points ago +3 / -0

Check out FreedomForce.Live as she has decode the end times with the knowledge of the cabal. I really believe that is the key that unlocks the understanding.

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AZTrumpette1776 3 points ago +3 / -0

I suspect the Papacy as the AntiChrist. I dont think the AntiChrist is a specific person but the Papacy as a whole.

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Magamomma333 3 points ago +3 / -0

I think he knows. But us (christians) will be gone. I’m just gonna keep my eyes peeled for Jesus, not the antichrist.

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Mark4-39 1 point ago +1 / -0

What if you're not?

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hang on tight!

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

Lol... you can't sleep either huh

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

No rest for the wicked

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

The wicked need to lay off surprisingly effective energy drinks

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CMAnon 3 points ago +3 / -0

The devil knows who he is. You're watching too many exorcist movies!

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Insignificant 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was thinking "The Devil's Advocate" with Keanu Reeves as the son of Satan...but he didn't know it most of his life in the movie...who knows?

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newchina 2 points ago +2 / -0

He knows.....but, it's debatable like anything from revelation.

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winn 2 points ago +2 / -0

there's been a bunch of them. And they all did the same things. And they all lost

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axrevolutionai 2 points ago +2 / -0

He doesn't know until it's too late. Kind of like mockingbird/ultra programming but at a deeper level

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QuantumRemedy 2 points ago +2 / -0

I lean more preterist. Without studying the end.times ro my satisfaction, I currently wonder why Revalations could not have been a set of prophecies that have already been fulfilled? What about Daniel0, could rhose prophecies have been fulfilled prior to Christ's birth even?

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Mark4-39 3 points ago +3 / -0

Re: Daniel- some did, some have not yet. (Partial futurist here)

Revelation ties back to Matt 24 for a descriptive timeline from Jesus. Pop over to c/Christianity if you ever want to join a Revelation discussion :)

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QuantumRemedy 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is great, thanks for the info! I'm open to partial futurist, I mostly just don't accept the popular narrative about the end times without good reasoning, and I have heard better reasoning from preterism.

I think i will pop over to c/Christianity, thanks!

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NewportBeach 1 point ago +2 / -1

There is no such thing as "The Antichrist". This interpretation is designed to mislead people into believing that antichrist is a person we are waiting for and not a spirit that is among us.

1 John 2:18   Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

  1 John 4:3   And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

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The-new-status-quo 1 point ago +3 / -2

I fully believe that the pope is the Antichrist, sorry catholic peds, but I believe that the Catholic Church is the false church and praying to the saints and Mary is false idols.

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LadyBoothall 3 points ago +4 / -1

Strongly disagree. That is a false description of prayer based on anti Catholic sentiment during the protestant reformation.