“Just because they had socialist in their name” That’s the whole of it, her entire argument, verbatim. I honestly don’t know what to do with her. The sad part is she only became political in 2016, and since then has turned into a filthy commie. I guess I need to thank her because my journey to unravel her false reality led me here.
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Anyone who actually knows anything about the Nazis cannot claim with a straight face that they were not socialists. The Nazi 25 point plan reads like something written by Marx. They also nationalized private land and industry. There is a great channel on YouTube called TIK. He does a great job breaking down how exactly the Nazis were true socialists. Any type of collectivist government (fascism and Nazism included) is rooted in Marxist theory.
Or read The Big Lie, by Dinesh D'Souza.
And the nazis were allied to the communist USSR during their invasion of Poland when both nations initiated world war 2. But our communist media, and education system in the west likes to forget that the USSR and the nazis were allies.
this is so wrong
You are right. Nazis and communists conspiring together to start the most deadly war in the history of the world is totally wrong, and unethical. That degree of depravity is on a scale that only megalomaniacs with globalist aspirations who were crated through generations of illuminati inbreeding could produce. People literally fucked up in the head.
The lead up to this was a nazi disinformation program to instill paranoia into Stalin about his General Staff which triggered one of many purges of the military-once success was achieved, the friendly German handshake that forged the 'alliance' became the iron fist of Barbarossa-Stalin's actions were the equivalent of an entire German Division nearly winning it all until The Soviet armies used the proletariat as human wave assaults on nazi armies to wear them down until Grandfather Winter stepped in.
I sincerely suggest you explore the history using non-mainstream sources.
Also, wikipedia is the last place to find the truth ;)
Hint: there is a difference between a non-aggresdion ready to reduce number of fronts to fight vs alliance.
You are on the right path. Keep digging. It's worth it.
You should take your own advice.
I have, and I have learnt both sides of the story.
NPC WARING: If you've been programmed to throw a fit whenever socialism is discussed then this comment will make you cry. Be warned.
They were socialists, however your mother is partially correct because there's a profound difference between nationalist-socialism and communism, depending on if your nationalist leader is a nationalist in more than name only (actually cares for his nation).
It's the difference between having a totalitarian ruler who loves his nation and a totalitarian ruler who loves looting the people.
I wouldn't mind having a nationalist socialist totalitarian leader rule us for ten years because he could sort all of our problems out overnight: do what needs to be done with or without the approval of the Bolshevik brainwashed sheeple. The wall would be built with zero fucks for people's property rights. Illegals would be deported with zero care of the crying SJWs. Traitors would be lined up against a wall with zero fucks given about the UN's feelings. Infrastructure renewal projects would go ahead with zero fucks given if it makes a breed of slugs feel displaced. Liberal academics would be given boots and shovels and expected to do productive works.
Disclaimer: I hate all forms of socialism because true nationalist socialist leaders are rarer that unicorns.
What in the literal hell?!?
If you longed for a Pinochet-type, I could maybe understand.
But go sell your Nazi lust and historical whitewashing somewhere else.
“National socialism” was psychotic and demonic, top to bottom, start to finish.
You shouldn't believe everything the liberal academics, Hollywood and the mainstream media tell you... because that's where you learned about Germany 1930-1945.
Also, the Nazis were profoundly Christian with a massive distrust for the Bolshevik Jews.
Hitler's first act was to end the Jewish run pornography industry that was attempting to normalize pedophilia, transexuality and bestiality (this is what Wikipedia and liberal academics refer to as "Hitler's war against art") and ending the Rothschild owned central bank, freeing the German and Austrian people from being usury debt slaves to the House of Rothschild.
The German Christians overwhelmingly loved Hitler because they knew the Bolsheviks (Jewish German Communist Party (KPD)) were setting the table for their declaration of Holy War against German Christians and their failed coup of 1933. The last time these same Bolsheviks staged a successful coup was in 1917 when they mass murdered ten million Russian Christians.
And yes, Hitler did ban Jews from owning guns... after the Jewish leaders of the world declared a Holy War against Germany.
I'm sorry if you hate history and it triggers you to attack me personally.
Btw, many of us learned from the soldiers and prisoners and survivors. Books backed up the personal accounts.
I hope you appreciate that any European who disagrees with the politically correct, ADL approved, New World Order approved, liberal-academia approved, Hollywood approved official narrative is locked in a prison cage.
I hope you appreciate that many of the "survivors" were in German prison camps not because they were history's most innocent darlings, but because they were members of the Jewish German Communist Party (KPD) who declared a holy war against German Christians and failed in their treasonous coup attempt of 1933. They were tried for treason and sentenced to serve time in prison, which is far kinder than what we would have done to communist traitors in the 1930s.
I do agree that we can learn much from "survivors" - for example, I learned that Nazis invented Terminator style robotic Nazis that patrolled the prison camps to scoop up innocent Jews and take them away to be completely burned up in giant ovens that had wooden doors. And I know it's all true because I read it in a book!
I choose to ignore all the people who totally debunked Anne Frank's diary too because I watched an award winning Hollywood film about the lie and it made me all emotional.
How do you feel about all the Jews who "survived" the Auschwitz prison camp and recently shared accounts of it being a pleasant and relaxing experience, with productions of live theater, film screenings and live music performed for their dining hall pleasure?
This is such bull I can't do anything but skim it. NAZIs were as evil as commies. Both leftists. One believed in gov control of means of production, one believed in the same thing except called it another name until society evolved into reign of the proletariat. Trouble of course is that in all communist experiments they never evolved. NAZI s were more efficient. Communists were as cold blooded killers and totally incompetent. Don't ever fly in a Soviet plane or buy one of their cars or expect trains to be on time or bread in the grocery store.
Yes, I know what liberal academics, Hollywood and the History Channel have told you.
These are the same people who claim that President Trump is worse than Hitler.
You need to turn your television off.
Nazis were muslims too, including the SS. If you doubt that, you can look up the 13th (illuminati number) SS mountain division. The skull and bones boys gave their muzzie SS division their special number even.
You've been misled by nazi propaganda. Nazism was never a "nationalist" movement, it is a globalist movement. It's not an accident that the swastika originated in Tibet. But you've got a lot of research to do before you understand the scale of global conspiracies.
The problem with this entire portion of the thread, from my perspective, is that it's all arguing semantics over the idea of bad and possibly good totalitarianism when what should be fully realized by everyone is that no human should have or can handle that kind of power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and no matter how Hitler or anyone else started off, they were absolutely corrupted. Jesus is King, none other. No worldly government, no matter how well designed or intentioned, will stand forever. All Nations eventually fall.
I agree that whenever Nazi's, socialists and communists are discussed people get so caught up in semantics that they can't focus on actual reality and the events that transpired.
Question: what were things in Germany like before Hitler came to power, and what changed after? I am talking pre-war. Why did the German people love him? It wasn't because they were all rotten socialists. Would the average German at the time say that Hitler improved the nation?
Hitler's policies may have achieved short term good but they caused long term ruin.
Those seem like unanswerable questions since history is changing every moment lately depending on who examines it. Still, I think what you're getting at is the idea that people looked to Hitler as a helper to improve their lot and those standing even after the horrors might have found themselves better off. This only supports the point that it is the human government that's the problem. The seeking of power itself here in the domain of the devil. The Devil himself showed Jesus every kingdom in this world and offered it to Him to rule... because they're his to offer. The battle is here, and then again it is not. Less overall government in general, less regulation, and more personal relationships with Christ, are the only true answers. Think of it, Christians, true followers of Christ, are told to bow to no earthly government (bow only to Him), we are told we live freely and forever forgiven outside of even the Mosaic law. We are able to live without guilt or shame. Sounds nihilistic doesn't it? But in general most Christians live orderly, quiet, peace seeking lives. Why? We acknowledge we are sinners no better than any other. We tell ourselves of our failure to live up to intention and law daily as we bring repentances to Christ. We know our own weakness and poor ways. And we know the greatest and most powerful being in any Universe loves us anyway. That as we follow Him, He shows us ways life can be joy, satisfaction, and wonder, all in ways that look to the world like quiet, boring, underwhelming. It is the true secret of The Way.
I agree with MamaChipmunk.
Totalitarianism is Totalitarianism.
It’s a dangerous gambit to say you want it for X amount of years because it won’t just go away after the time is up. It’s the same as Communism in that regard. You vote into Totalitarianism but you have to shoot your way out. You may agree with the Nationalist standpoint of it (the purging of illegals, the execution of traitors, etc), but what happens when they start to do things that you don’t agree with, or worse, they declare us traitors in the eyes of the regime?
99.9% of the German population were Christian, with the exception of about 2% Jews, during the 1930s.
Muh Moslems is not an argument.
Oh? What about muh "yellow Aryan's?"
I was trying to find a sort of Nazi tribe that isn’t talked about very much. They weren’t Aryan or Muslim, but they were brutal and scared the normal Nazi’s. I can’t remember what they were called
"...Also, the Nazis were profoundly Christian..."
???
Holy shit man, did you miss the part where they proudly march carrying a flag with an ancient PAGAN symbol representing Sun god Worship? The Sun god, btw, represents "the light bearer," also known as, "Lucifer," also known as, "Satan."
The Nazis might be many things, but Christian ain't one of them. You don't have to dig deep to find that. But the deeper you dig, the further away from "Christian" ideology of any description you will go.
And yet, 99% of the German population of the 1940s were Christian.
This is true, no matter how much you scream and cry and protest.
I never scream. I never cry and protest. I calmly state the plain truth. Sure, Germany was a traditionally Christian Nation. But the Nazis were not.
There were christians before the nazis. But like everything else they took over. The nazis were luciferians. Plain and simple. You see the hidden hand in many nazi photos just like with stalin. The pope is luciferian as well.
Boomer take here bud.
Why did Hitler invade Poland? Why did he destroy Warsaw during the Warsaw Uprising?
Now you're asking the right questions!
Hitler reunified with Austria in 1938 and ended both the Rothschild owned central banks, freeing the Austrian and German people of being usury debt slaves to the House of Rothschild.
Hitler then invaded Poland to regain that German territory too. The House of Rothschild were setting the table for a world war to stop Hitler from freeing their debt slaves, with Poland being the next nation to become free people.
The Rothschild were so outraged about having their debt slaves freed that they started another world war in an attempt to prevent Hitler from posing a risk to the New World Order.
Hitler likely destroyed Warsaw to send a message that he was not fucking around. There are also theories that Hitler had plans to recreate Warsaw in support of his plans to wage war against the New World Order. Both seem like reasonable theories, however Wikipedia claims this is true, so I'd want to keep an open mind and do a lot more research before jumping to conclusions.
Your mom ghey
In all seriousness though, you just gotta keep slipping her those red-pills wherever and whenever you can.
It's what the word nazi stands for-- NA=national ZI=socialist
Technically it comes from Nationalsozialistische. The Nazis were also the worker's party, which is a textbook Marxist party name.
I come from a long line of hillbilly rednecks, but they weren't socialists , they were moonshiners from Georgia.
It's an anachronism
Spellcheck strikes again. Acronym.
National socialism is basically china's currently policy if you look hard enough.
She sent me these 2 links, I think she was drunk. Telling me to read them and educate myself. I didn’t bother reading beyond their titles. She has been captured by The Young Turks, Democracy Now, Neom Chompsky and PBS and she thinks she’s now worldly and wise.
https://mjosefweber.medium.com/why-is-america-so-scared-of-socialism-f4eaa5f40e5f
https://ips-dc.org/whos-afraid-of-socialism/
Tell her, ''Mom... in the 1930s, the real, no kidding Germans who established the third Reich, imported lawbooks: volumes of statutes, from Democrat states, so they could make their civil rights suppression laws, line for line, phrase for phrase, and sometimes word for word, like the Democrat states, of Jim Crow in the 1930s. The German Nazis' party laws, were LITERALLY transcribed word for word from Democrat states' law books, suppressing everybody but supremist Democrats.''
Look it up for her: ''Nazis copied US law books of Democrat states for Third Reich civil rights suppression laws.''
Show her on a computer screen the numerous articles about it.
MANY of the faggots do all they can to escape admitting it was SPECIFICALLY DEMOCRAT STATE LAWBOOKS they IMPORTED.
Those were ALL they imported, because they were MODELING their party ON the Democrat party of the USA.
Yeah I think I've told her this already. She also think Denish D'Souza is a fraud.
When my mother turned 13 the nazis came to the villages in Ukraine and took these kids for slave labor in German farms. They were so brutal my mom tried to commit suicide, The farm owner reported her to nazis and they took her to concentration camp. There they experimented on her and kept draining her blood. Finally American troops came and liberated that camp.
Read ‘the big lie’ by Dinesh Desouza. He pretty much lays it all out
That's like saying Christians don't believe in Christ, or Marxists don't follow Marx, etc. They're literally grasping at straws now. She's trying to say this because she's trying to protect her brain from meltdown. Just wait until the actual meltdown.
I sent her your comment. That ex KGB guy from the 70s who defected said it best. She is totally demoralized, and nothing short of a boot on her neck by those she supports will get her to see the truth, and by then it will be too late.
Antifa are not actually antifascist... just to throw a fly in your ointment there. Lol, I'm not seriously trying to argue with you because I agree with your overall point, it just occurred to me.
No you're right, but that appears to be the exception, not the rule. Because most groups that are named something actually follow that something.
There's a certain book that people are afraid to read.
Yet it is as relevant today as it was then.
what book is that?
No mothers day visit this year...
NAZIs were really facists but used the collectivism cause (socialism) to get power.
Never give up on your mum.
seems like you're splitting hairs, state sanctioned cartels eliminating all economic freedom is hardly different than eliminating all economic freedom by putting all the control of production into the workers hands who also happen to be the state, but this is in name only of course, the state can hardly be confused with the workers.
Sorry bro but I'm just gonna be blunt: Your Mom's an idiot.
Even a light 5-minute delve on the subject will prove her entire paradigm as BS.
Upside: You're smarter than the tree from which you fell. This is always a positive outcome.
How old is she?
Old enough to know better.
Ha, your mother.... Every single German I ever talk to and tell this is shocked and thinks I am a crazy lunatic.
The best they can come up with (in case they don't immediately run away) iss "but Hitler killed communists!" Yeah, just like Stalin did when he came to power - first round up closest competitors.
The nazis took over the workers party because they wanted to overcome the threat of the communist.
From page 325 of "tradgedy and hope" Carroll Quigley
The nazi system was dictatorial capitalism—that is, a society organized so that everything was subject to the benefit of capitalism; everything, that is, compatible with two limiting factors: (a) that the nazi party, which was not capitalist, was in control of the state, and (b) that war, which is not capitalist, could force curtailment of capitalisy benefits (in the short run at least). In this judgment we must define our terms accurately. We define capitalism as "a system of economics in which production is based on profit for those who control the capital." In this definition one point must be noted: the expression "for those who control the capital" does not necessarily mean the owners. In modern economic conditions large-scale enterprise with widely dispersed stockownership has made management more important than ownership. Accordingly, profits are not the same as dividens, and, in fact, dividends become objectionable to management, since they take profit out of its control.
The traditional capitalist system was a profit system. In its pursuit of profits it was not primarily concerned with production, consumption, prosperity, high employment, national welfare, or anything else. As a result, its concentration on profits eventually served to injure profits. This development got the whole of society into such a mess that enemies of the profit system began to rise up on all sides. Fascism was the counterattack of the profit system against these enemies. The counter attack was conducted in auch a violent fashion that the whole appearance of society was changed, although, in the short run, the real structure was not greatly modified. In the long run fascism threatened even the profit system, because the defenders of that system, businessmen rather than politicians, turned over over control of the state to a party of gangsters and lunatics who in the long run might turn to attack businessmen themselves.
In the short run the nazi movement achieved the aim of its creators. In order to secure profits it sought to avert six possible dangers to the profit system. These dangers were (1) from the state itself; (2) from organized labor; (3) from competition; (4) from depression; (5) from business losses; and (6) from alternative forms of economic production organized on nonprofit bases. These six all merged into one great danger, the danger from any social system in which production was organized on any basis other than profit. The fear of the owners and management of the profit system for any system organized on any other basis became almost psychopathic.
To me this is a whole bunch of circular logic.
I appreciate the effort and the adherence to the definition which I find accurate. What I think needs mentioning is that in order to create such guardrails for society an absolute totalitarian and brutal society is necessary and inevitably created which goes against natural law. Human nature of commerce is both free and voluntary, from which the real danger of multi-generational monopolies manifest. So to me these things will always go in cycles of abundance followed by brutality, until we diminish our hubris and stop trying to control human nature. The failures of capitalism are actually the failures of morality. The failures of every other type of economic society is not the failure to control human nature, but attempting to do so in the first place.
Earlier in the chapter Quigley tries to explain that nazi Germany is not totalitarian. Like i said in my reply to my own comment. Its complete circular logic. Goes to show why Quigley is bill Clintons mentor.
Plus i just finished reading that section of the chapter so i figured i would share it.