My hope in this post is to share how my view of porn has changed as I got into this Q stuff. I hope your mind can be enlightened by this as mine has after thinking about this.
----Prior to following Q----
I generally thought of the makeup of the people in porn as follows:
- 80% consenting girls
- 10% manipulated girls
- 10% trafficked girls
I thought I would be able to recognize the latter 20% and would not get off on that. From an irreligious-morality perspective, that 80% of consenters is not morally wrong.
Being a Christian, I believed all of it was wrong, but it's a struggle--right??
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----After following Q----
After I got into this Q stuff, I realized how blind I was.
I found out about the degree of child sex trafficking. Jeffrey Epstein, his temple, and what they do underground. Manipulation. Realness of the battle between Good vs. Evil. Realness of spiritual war. Realness of God, Satan, and demons. Spirit cooking???
Then, I thought... What if the makeup of the people in porn is as follows:
- 10% consenting girls
- 60% manipulated girls
- 25% trafficked girls
- 5% demon-possessed girls
If this is true, then isn't the porn industry sick? Isn't it sick to get off from a manipulated/trafficked girl? Isn't it gross to think of jerking to a demon?
Consider the possibility that the girl was taken, brought up, and brain-washed to participate in Satanic rituals (like possibly what Isaac Kappy witnessed).
If this is the case, then upon virtually all moral standards--porn is wrong and sick!
Anyways, after this thought, my conclusion is that I'm done with entertaining the thought about looking upon porn. Why even 'think' to satisfy a feeling that wants something that is sick on all levels?
Hope this helps you and I do not mean to condemn any readers. Just sharing my personal journey. Go team!
The porn industry has always been sick no matter which category the girls are in.
Agreed. It's easy to indulge in the sick if we think... Its not THAT sick. Porn industry is now vile to me.
I've found this past few months a lot of fellow brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus struggling with this as well as myself. I quit porn right before getting saved (no doubt by the Holy Ghost moving on me). But all those years of maturation coupled with it affects you. Not justifying it. Sex with your spouse is the only exception for Holy God honored sexual intimacy. But that porn much like manufactured drugs and excessive Alcohol, affects how the mind works and sometimes by severity can be partially permanent. Much like a thorn, I believe. Like Paul begged God to remove but Jesus responded with His grace was sufficient and that in weakness His power is made perfect. Anyways it's great to hear fellow Christians coming out and confessing the struggle associated with porn. I think the other issue is one of self control (I speak much in my own regard) and the other half being that people don't wanna marry anymore either. Marriage in the Bible is even mentioned as a gift to quell the sexual passions of a man or woman in a Holy manner through their spouse. But today's culture also doesn't want to accept that with marriage comes ownership of your spouses body as much as they own yours. They have a need; you are commanded to fulfill it. If you have a need; they are commanded to fulfill it. (Except for times of joint fasting). But sex is so throughly encouraged that Paul in the Spirit even told spouses not to fast from sex too long lest temptation befall them and they commit fornication and adultery. It's a grievous thing that the world has poisoned the youth from the joy of marriage with all the setbacks and made them out to be juice not worth the squeeze. God bless you, brother. I pray in Jesus name that you as well as myself and all Christians seek out not only self control/ but if we do desperately in our flesh desire sex that we also seek and pray for it to be fulfilled in a Holy place which is marriage between one man and one woman. Amen.
Well put, and I praise God with you for the freedom He has provided! When people fully understand the mysterious beauty God has intended for EVERY aspect of marriage, and how He intends for it to reflect the deep spiritual intimacy He wants to have with His beloved people (who He Himself calls His "bride"), every form of perversion or deviation from that holy reality becomes abhorrent. There may, sadly, still be some struggles--we are still slogging our way through a fallen world and have a real enemy seeking our destruction at every turn--but the purpose and the plan become crystal clear, and the way ahead becomes much, much easier.
As it's often said. It may be the harder road to walk but Who you gain at the end far outweighs what was lost. Jesus is worth that loss. We will struggle, yes. But I know His blood covers us that we may repent, dust ourselves off and try try again. The chastening is our evidence he still loves us. What would be a more fearful state is if we were no longer hearing His rebuke. God bless you in Jesus name, sibling. I look forward to sitting at the table with you in the kingdom of heaven with Jesus. Amen.
Amen! I look forward to that, too. ? What a glorious eternity awaits all of us who are sealed in Him!
I think in addition to this, God doesn’t ask us to follow Him in our own strength. What I mean by this is we can’t be perfect or “good”, only evil and all kinds of other things.
When we fully give up our sins and ask God to help us, that is when we are actually able to do anything and not be bound to sin. Reading the Bible and many other Christian activities increase the chances of this working. Be filled with the Holy Spirit and not just knowledge or rituals.
As I started pondering this Q stuff in relation to the Bible, I believe the Holy Spirit has been working in me in transforming my mind, thought pattern, desires, and perception of the world around me.
I agree! Realizing something is more wrong and sick is not a solution of itself. It is by surrendering to God's leading that we can overcome.
He HAS ?? Welcome to Heaven!!! ?
ABSOLUTELY agree. Thank you for highlighting this aspect of spiritual warfare.
Bringing marriage into this makes total sense and is insightful. Your observation about how people don't want to marry anymore and how that results in an inability to quell sexual passions in a Holy manner is interesting. I can see how it even applies to delaying marriage. Of course, I recognize there are other factors in play as to when it's prudent to seek marriage.
Thank you for sharing.
The Epistles in the Bible really do make marriage make more sense. The Holy Spirit really gave Paul those same insights to help counsel married Christians in the first church. Corinthians, Timothy, and I believe ephesians and romans all have great marriage counseling material in them. That's not even counting proverbs, and even Micah, as well as the 4 gospels themselves. The Bible really doesn't leave anything out that someone wants to know about how to walk with Jesus and grow in sanctification. Salvation sealed up in that Book and HOW to change our ways and turn from our sin and walk with the Spirit. In John Jesus said His Words ARE Spirit and they are Truth. If the Bible holds His words does that not make it the Spirit as well? One of my favorite verses is in John where Jesus literally says that His Word is Spirit. Gives a whole new meaning to the importance of the Bible in our lives. But you yourself have given a good insight. That is the insight of prudence. I've dated a lot of women. Many I ought not to have even fooled with. Much heartache I could have avoided. Parts of myself that I should have given for the first time and the only time.... with my wife. But I threw that blessing away. No doubt God can bless my marriage even though I've done that. (If I'm to marry). But it does speak volumes that though marriage is a wonderful place to explore sex in a God blessed manner (song of Solomon really details that... some of the stuff in there many people would be embarrassed to say in a crowd); often times we seek out the pleasure rather than the commitment first. This may sound rude but it really is as the Bible says.
1 Corinthians 6:15-20
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
So yes. You are right in that saying. Yes. We can marry and enjoy sex with our spouse and the Bible encourages it. But a level of prudence would spare us from marrying a deceitful spouse that isn't worth the heartache for some sex. Look at poor Sampson in the scriptures. That dude spent his whole life marrying women that would betray him. And yes God used every bit of it for a lesson to us. But one only needs to look at Delilah to see how a man can be brought down by his own spouse when she has other loyalties.
Prudence is a great way of saying it sibling. God bless you in Jesus name, amen
May God bless you and continue to lead you too! Thanks for these words of encouragement and more insight. Gotta re-read the Epistles!
The porn industry devalues women, humanity and everything that is good and beautiful about marriage, family life, children...all that should be held as SACRED.
NOTHING ABOUT IT IS OKAY. Period.
It also dilutes your sperm and lowers fertility over time for some men
Glad to hear it. Evil always takes something beautiful and degrades and mocks it and twists it into something that it was never meant to be.
Thank you for reading. Totally agree with you.
So proud of men leading on this issue. Many women are obsessed with it too if not worse.
Thank you for sharing. I recognize I left out pointing out the boys in the industry too. They are included in these thoughts as I wrote this from a guy's perspective.
Understood. As a survivor of child abuse, I can say that I think it is much worse for boys. It is not talked about and so many times it is a homosexual man who tried to alter or steal their manhood. It’s sick and evil yet so many supposed conservatives just look the other way to avoid being called a name. As an outsider to the western part of the us, I can say that I’m shocked how casual people are with the welfare of their children especially being exposed to child molestation by the lgbtq. That’s the elephant in the room and it is an agenda almost 100% controlled by people that hate western society and want to undermine it.
In agreement with you. Every single situation where one person is is used and another the user is suspect. One thing I would add though is that some people find vulgar abusive evil things to be all the more erotic so the idea of getting off to someone who is debased by dark spirits is just that much more enticing, and anyone who does need that level of immoral abuse of other human beings needs an exorcism themselves. And I'm not kidding about that. Don't let demons throw a fricken party inside your mind and body, people. Because they want to do exactly that. Here is what I have learned through research and life-experience and observation: Alcohol and drugs leave "holes" in your aura of protection. Those weak areas are vulnerable to you being exploited by the unseen.
Whoa! Very interesting insight. Thanks for sharing. I'm going to ponder your thoughts as it makes sense.
Just a little bit of sex abuse to a child can do serious damage... I believe most of the girls in porn were done wrong by creepy uncle joe (not specifically xiden), or whomever, and didn't have the support needed to regain their self worth before they had to go out and 'earn a living'...
Yes
Very nice theory and conclusion...glad to see a moral compass still exist in this world....on this platform even.
Nice summary and very accurate to me.
Thanks!
There was a quote I loved said something like Porn doesn’t show too much of someone, it shows too little of a person.
2 months clean praise the lord
Awesome!!!
Praise God that this conversation is occurring HERE among our Patriot, Christian Sisters and Brothers! RELATIONSHIP! (What?) RELATIONSHIP! Porn is ANTI-RELATIONSHIP! God is [VERY] PRO-RELATIONSHIP!
We are MADE to be in [loving] RELATIONSHIP with each other! God made the Eve for Adam and the Adam for Eve for (breeding? well yes but primarily for) RELATIONSHIP! "God saw that it was NOT good for the man to be alone..." We are mated for COMMUNION with each other and for COMMUNION WITH GOD: RELATIONSHIP!!
We MUST be able to TOTALLY trust our mate; our mate MUST be able to TOTALLY trust us! That most sacred of relationships MUST be centered on Christ Jesus (yes, He wholeheartedly approves of joyful, baudy, funny, sweaty, giggly, glorious but very private (and totally exclusive) SEX!!! YUMMM!) because HE is the Author and Finisher of our Faith and of real TRUST!
The enemy (our most dangerous enemy) HATES joyful, committed, loving RELATIONSHIP and he will do ANYTHING to destroy our joy. The enemy HATES Christ centered marriages and he HATES couples who put God first! O.M.G., the devil can't STAND it! The devil HATES TRUST!!!
And so, the enemy invented PORNO as just one more way to DESTROY relationship & trust! Porn is the ANTITHESIS of TRUST and of RELATIONSHIP. Porn is a LIE! Porn is a charade and a COUNTERFEIT of joyful, mutually beneficial, committed sex! Substance abuse, spousal abuse, political/religio-idolatry and a thousand other things can get in the way but PORNO is among the worst of the enemy's weapons against us!
No, sex is NOT a sacrament but it CAN be a sweetly Holy time of "communion" and it must be OFF LIMITS to anyone else! Be very careful about sharing info with even a medical professional or your BEST FRIENDS! This is YOUR time and NO ONE ELSE but you two & God is allowed into that "room", ESPECIALLY not the pornographers or their puppets.
GIVE GLORY TO GOD and kick the porno into the fire! Build trust! Grow your relationship! Worship God even in your joyful SEX and ask the Lord Jesus to REBUKE the devil in the name of CHRIST OUR LORD! AMEN
I can feel your joy from here. Thank you for sharing truth!
LOL! (to paraphrase:)"So, I guess taking communion is out of the question?"
Porn is (((their))) tool to destroy the white Christian family. Specifically created and legalized. 99% of porn is produced and distributed by (((them))). Stop and think about why it's the only thing (((they))) give away for free.
https://greatawakening.win/p/12ih0Irikh/x/c/4J9LzO7HTs1
First read my other post about porn. While I see what you're getting at the best approach whether you're right or wrong on the percentages is to work on the two causes of the problem rather than going after a symptom, porn. Go directly after the traffickers and go after these lunatics brainwashing our (un-trafficked)women into being radical feminist.
If the millions of lonely men had solid women to date and marry the demand for pron would drop dramatically. Its simple supply and demand. Instead we have hundreds of thousands of men with no good options at all because half the time you can't tell which woman is a psycho and which isn't.
MGTOW is purely a reaction to radical feminism. Many of them even suggest relying on porn and prostitution because engaging real women is dangerous.
It is not about marriage, but about how sexuality is viewed. Just having a go on a saturday night where the proverbial marriage obligation is executed, hardly counts as satisfactory. This is what breeds lonely men and women. This is what breeds focus on the deed only.
Note, there is no communication or bonding in those videos.
Then there is another matter, that you touched upon, MGTOW, exemplified by my accountant. He works during the day, goes to the gym then to a club to have a go at some girls. As he said: no blabla, problems, in laws, the works.
This customer does not realize that many of the girls in such establishments are being exploited, not to mention trafficked. It is just a fiction for an hour or a night out (with an escort) to polish the ego.
The inner pressure for sex, is based on a natural pressure for procreation, one that morphs over time into something much deeper if you look for it.
For that to happen you need two people who are very aware, both on a physical and spiritual plane ready to relinquish all thought of control, the wish to be. It requires a safe environment where both are the way the are. It is a path of discovery to a higher plane.
For those who read the bible: ask yourself this question: Why was the Astarte and Baal worship so appealing? Why was it that time and again the temple prostitutes, both male and female, where present?
consider the picture of the temple itself. Courtyard -> 2 pillars, entry into the Holy. Behind the veil the Holy of Holies: into Gods presence, where the shequina light was burning.
Does that remind you of something? At least in my mind, considering the yearly Yom Kippur, after having dripped blood, water, and seed, and the ritual with the 2 scapegoats, the Nation would once again become holy, meaning, coming to life. And only the highpriest was allowed entry only on that day, into the Holy of Holies. But to get your nookie, you would have to go home. Or get yourself some slaves.
To me this smacks of an abstracted fertility cult on par with the Astarte and Baal cult. But why would one go to a temple prostitute to practice a religion? The belief of getting on a spiritual plane. For that to happen it takes effort, preparation, practice and focus.
I have found, with the latter, it makes having sexual relations with a woman to be very satisfactory, bringing joy, in peace and love.
However, not every man or woman is capable to that due to a gazillion circumstances. Not the least the pressure and the 24/7 programming we are often subjected to.
Interesting take on this. I'll have to ponder this as I haven't really thought through those causes and conclusion you brought up. Thanks for sharing.
I'm glad you brought this up. It can destroy people's lives, marriages, to the point where they are not able to have a relationship with other people. It is a serious problem.
It desensitizes one to not understand the beauty of real love.
Porn doesnt cause this. Its just a product of porn. Even good faith organizations have trafficked individuals. You should focus on the people who abuse rather than porn itself. I dropped porn tho. Never needed it. If i have to get off it will be from my own thoughts
Well, you left out the 4 types of guys. Care to elaborate on that?
What do you consider "manipulated?" A woman taking a porn shoot to earn some extra money because she's down on her luck isn't any more manipulative than a guy getting a retail job because that's all he's qualified for.
That’s a really pessimistic view of men and women. Men who can’t get good jobs can’t get good jobs because of a number of issues, all internal. Mostly laziness. A women whoring herself out for money isn’t ok because she needs to make the money. I worked at a job where both men and women were paid ~equally (women paid higher then men, bigots), because the input was ~equal. The people at this job had to work hard, those who didn’t work hard didn’t last long. It is a Christian company and they are always hiring more people. So people in that area can’t even claim there’s no work available. To move to a different point, I was in the Navy making pretty decent money (for me), and I blew my paychecks on tools and the like, a few hundred bucks here, a few hundred there. I got a much lower paying job, so I had to “pull in my horns” financially. If you want to live a ____ lifestyle that requires _____ amount of money, and you could do a porn shoot to fill that void, compared to saving some money and learning to live on less, you should never do the first. The sacrifice of your body to evil entities is not worth the weight of your soul, and the financial gain you had today, you will look with disdain in the future. Not ? worth ? it ?
I agree with you.
I have a friend who works 80 hours a week just in Microsoft Excel editing spreadsheets. Is that so great? He is probably getting paid less per hour than the porn star, having less fun than the porn star, around fewer people than the porn star. I just find it difficult to look down on people who watch porn. There is a reason they watch porn... which is partly due to the sexualized nature of society and partly due to the influence of feminism that has convinced women that working a job is much more valuable than having a family. We need to get to the root of the problem... which is strengthening our communities. Why is it so incredibly difficult for a guy to get a girlfriend these days? How come he has to go about it all alone on a dating app? Why do girls get so offended by a guy asking her out? Then add to it the pandemic where girls are too afraid to meet up with a guy at all (or insist on wearing a mask, seeing a vax card, etc).