A groundbreaking preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, includes alarming findings devastating to the COVID vaccine rollout.
The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
While moderating the symptoms of infection, the jab allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into presymptomatic superspreaders.
This phenomenon may be the source of the shocking post-vaccination surges in heavily vaccinated populations globally.
The paper’s authors, Chau et al, demonstrated widespread vaccine failure and transmission under tightly controlled circumstances in a hospital lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, Viet Nam.
The scientists studied healthcare workers who were unable to leave the hospital for two weeks. The data showed that fully vaccinated workers — about two months after injection with the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine (AZD1222) — acquired, carried and presumably transmitted the Delta variant to their vaccinated colleagues.
The truth will come out that this is all part of the plandemic. They want to keep the plandemic going.
They will all need boosters ASAP. And then boosters for every variant thereafter. 💉💉💉💉💉
Was going to say, this all has to be associated with the ADE theories going around, right?
If you read the actual study you will see in this particular case there is no association with ADE.
In this case, the reason the vaccinated are superspreaders of Delta is because they have a very high viral load in the presymptomatic and asymptomatic stages while not feeling sick. This means that the vaxxxed are likely to come into close contact with other without even knowing they have high potential to spread virus.
The unvaxxed subjects, would not have equal viral load until they reached the symptomatic phase, and therefore would not be as likely to spread, or come into contact with other.
Got it. So in reality, this could play closer to the Marek’s Disease theories?
That’s my assumption is what this is all about. They are leaky vaccines, and right now we are seeing the results in Israel. They are horrified that there is a control group in the US of 50% or more. As time progresses, it’s going to become absolutely impossible to hide the discrepancy in illness between vaxxed and unvaxxed.
They expected 90% or more people to get vaccinated. That would make it very easy to disguise the reality of what is making people sick. It’s already happening in Israel. The FDA “authorizes” none of the vaccines in the US, and makes it big public news. They are panicking.
Stay strong everyone. Israel is the canary in the coal mine. The truth will soon be impossible to hide.
Totally agree. Maybe this is the precipice that leads to these people “not being able to walk the streets”? Just a thought
I assume that was a reference to Bush 1 and his quote. My guess being he is responsible for the voting machines, and from the get go they have been cheating with them. Every president after him was chosen until Trump. I assume Bush 1 was given the CIA top job, and the presidency because he had something to do with killing Kennedy for the bankers, and that’s how he was rewarded.
Makes sense why Washington, especially the intel and law enforcement agencies are willing to risk everything to stop him. They have no choice.
Also makes me wonder when Trump said the rules are different with fraud, what if we was talking big picture? Like everything has been fraudulent for 20+ years, so he is immediately and legally justified to step around the constitution as much as he pleases, because the entire government hasn’t been constitutional for decades.
I think that makes sense. Like he never seemed to panic as dates passed. What if he never gave a shit about the Supreme Court or anyone else, because on day 1 of his presidency he already had a legal way forward to use the military and national emergency clauses to restore a real government. The election at that point would be a sting, as the military administration sought ways to close loopholes and restore the constitution.
It doesn’t make sense that the machines would just start cheating this election. They must have always been cheating. What president brought them in?
ADE?
ADE = antibody dependent enhancement
Ahh makes so much sense
The 251x number is a comparison to "cases infected with old strains" from 2020, not "vaccinated" vs. organic. You can assume that the cases in 2020 were not "vaccinated", and the paper seems to imply that the new sample (62 healthcare workers in one hospital in Vietnam - a rather limited sample, perhaps!) were all vaccinated (l.76) but it's not a direct comparison because it's also "delta" vs. "old strains".
The paper does conclude that these clot-shots are useless against "delta" (whatever that really is): "There was no correlation between vaccine-induced neutralizing antibody levels and viral loads"; and "physical distancing measures remain critical".
I can appreciate your ability to read scholarly material. Well done handshake.
Thank you - this should be top comment; I came here to say that the abstract doesn't quite line up with the headline or article.
To elaborate, I think, it's very likely that an unvaccinated person could have 251x the viral load from previous versions of the virus also. You are correct that it simply states versus previous strains.
No reason to believe that. Pure speculation.
17x would be more believable😬
the data this report goes over, as said above is as follows unvacced/2020 strains vs vaxxed/2021 delta strain, do you see a control variable here? As there is none its impossible from the study alone to correlate the cause of the 251x viral load. You are equally unsure weather it is caused by the delta varient or by the vaccine. The lack of a control variable is the kicker here, we got to notice this stuff otherwise we'll lose the information war to anyone who reads more then 3 pages of a report.
It is not a controlled, clinical trial. We both agree on that.
This was a situtation where health care workers who had the vaxx were on lockdown in a controlled environment, and they spread some variant of the coof even though they were vaxxed, and they also experienced a certain viral load.
They then compared the viral load to data they had from MAR-APR 2020, back when the coof was just the coof and no vaxx had yet been released.
So the amount of viral load from the 2020 data was "x" and the amount of viral load in the post-lockdown vaxxed group was "251x."
This was never intended to be a clinical trial. It is just observational evidence. But it is stong evidence that (a) the vaxx does not stop the spread of the coof, in whatever "variant" someone wants to dream up, and that (b) people who get the coof post-vaxx have a dramatically higher amount of viral load, whether showing symptoms or not, than those in the previous data group, pre-vaxx. (Hence, the idea of the post-vaxx "asymptomatic superspreader.")
This is evidence, but not proof. We would need a clinical trial for proof, and we both know that will never happen because we both know it will not be a good result for the vaxx.
You said that "it's very likely that an unvaccinated person could have 251x the viral load from previous versions of the virus also." I said that comment is pure speculation because we ALREADY know that "the viral load from previous versions of the virus" in UNvaccinated persons is "x." That is the data they used for comparison! There is no reason to believe it would be 251x when it ACTUALLY WAS x.
Unfortunately, there are several variables that you can't take for granted... One is whether Delta just accumulates more in general (does 251x also appear in an unvaxxed person - which is what is being actively discussed)
The OTHER, and maybe more important variable is the cumulative buildup of Delta amongst healthcare workers. I recall early on in this debacle reading about how the cytokine storm can be dependent on viral load based on exposure timeframe. Thus - are these healthcare workers replicating and continually amping each other's viral loads up?
In other words, if they came in contact with an unvaxxed person without a previous infection, and the virus took hold - what would their viral load be after a set time of incubation?
I'd like to see that.
And for the record, I'm on your side, it's still a good and interesting study, but like @Grease said - we need to win the information war with solid data.
We generally agree. One other thing to remember: there is no real proof that "Delta" is any different from anything else. It is all computer modeling.
There is no test for Delta. It could be all the same thing, and they are simply giving the post-vaxx phenomenon a different label because it is convenient for them to do so.
I could be wrong about that, but there isn't any real proof that I am.
Seems like a more reasonable approach would be to simply look at pre-vaxx and post-vaxx and forget the labels. Here, we are dealing with an article that is using these labels, but the labels are potentially misleading to say the least.
What were the viral loads pre-vaxx vs. post-vaxx?
Answer: 1x vs. 251x.
We know later strains are more transmissible (assuming this means viral loads are higher). 251x is a lot though, although I'm not sure what, in my unqualified opinion, qualifies as "a lot" or "a little".
251X more viral is ASTROMOMICALLY HIGH. That on the other hand could be good ... hear me out: Virologist mapping out the phylogenics (strain discovery metrics) know that from decades of observation that virus' always mutate to become 1. more virulent, and 2. less deadly.
If this has gone hyper-virultent, maybe its proportionally less deadly. Not that the original was that dangerous to begin with. I don't know that to be the case at all. That's just wishful hopium.
Why would you assume that the viral load would be the same in an unvaxt person? There is zero way of knowing that, unless they examined viral load in unvaxt persons within the same 'group', and according to the STUDY ... they did no such thing. we will never know the answer to that question ... which sux.
I'm not a fan of the 'physical distancing' assessment. How do they know that? That to me sounded more like a platitude. If the author(s) were being genuine with that statement they should have included physical distancing parameters ... like, 6feet - 12 feet, a mile? That could be A LOT of things to A LOT of people. I'm a research scientist, so I take the professional position that any AND ALL conclusion that authors state needs to be parametric and definitive. Period ... otherwise you are exposed to nefarious manipulation of your works.
Yes, they just assume that distancing works, to make their point that the vaccine doesn't. (But now it's in a science paper so it must be true.)
Not. A. Clinical. Trial.
What don't you get about this? They are looking at what happened AFTER a group of people experienced what they did.
It was observations of what ACTUALLY happened AFTER a hospital lockdown. They compared to known data from before anyone was vaxxed.
Yeah ... not sure about your point. You are apparently day drinking. It's cool, I've done that myself. This is a STUDY. I know that because that's what they fucking said. Not sure what you don't get about it being a study. A study, and a clinical trial are not the same thing. It's empirical evidence gathered to present important findings based on an event where you have enough observations (population) to draw some extremely important inferences.
Why are you hung up on the word "study?" Means nothing by itself.
It is an observation of what happened after the fact.
If you are cruising along the freeway and you see a car accident, and you get out to look to figure out what happened after the fact, are you doing a "study?"
Just because they say it is a "study" doesn't mean much. Look at what they are actually doing.
AFTER a 2-week lockdown, they noticed something unusual: (a) people who were vaxxed got the coof, (b) from others who were all living in a controlled environment (no contact with outsiders) but were not symptomatic, and (c) their viral loads were way higher than the data from a year ago when nobody was vaxxed.
They then concluded that it is POSSIBLE that a post-vaxx person MIGHT be an "asymptomatic superspreader." Seems like a reasonable possibility.
This is not a scientfic study in the "double blind clinical trial" sense, though, and was never intended to be. That is my point. It was not set up as a scientific study. It was a post-event observation, with data compared to pre-vaxx data. Some people are bashing it because there was not a "control group." I say, so what? It was not set up to be a scientific study in the first place. It is post-event observation, like the car crash.
It is more like an epidemiological study, which can never show cause and effect, but can be a STARTING POINT for further study. The nature of such a thing cannot prove anything, but it is good evidence for an hypothesis, and then further study of that hypothesis.
You do realize that you and I ... we are in agreement. We agree. I, AGREE WITH YOU.
I think you need to expand on what it is that I posted that compelled you to respond to my post with anything other than ... yep.
Are you responding to someone elses comment via my comment?
The finding that the delta strain moving between the coworkers is different than the strain found in community transmission cases was somewhat concerning despite the small sample size.
Yes, but this was not a clinical trial. So, they did NOT set this up ahead of time for two groups to have two different scenarios.
Instead, they realized after the two weeks that these vaxxed people had massive amounts of viral load compared to what was known back before anybody was vaxxed, and that they spread it to others in a controlled environment.
This info is actually BETTER SCIENCE than anything coming out of Pfizer.
Make them stop killing us. Unvaxxed Lives Matter.
The unvaxed need to be protecting themselves. We all need to be taking quercetin,D3,C,Zinc, and NAC to prevent us from getting sick. Not going to go into all the studies you can do that research on your own.
Here's just one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33034398/
I know I’m just one guy and it’s anecdotal but I have been taking this stack plus Vitamin K and low doses of copper and magnesium for 6 months and I haven’t had even the slightest respiratory illness since I started. And I’m the father of two kids who attend kindergarten/pre-school who bring home all sorts of things which I always used to catch.
Bottom line with the covid lie is there is an OTC CURE as well as preventive measures. The bigger problem for big pharma and the communist feds is that the OTC stuff that's working against the china coof is effective against a host of other things including cancer which Ivermectin seems to fight off. Big pharma is going to collapse along with the FDA.
Antibody-dependent Enhancement
I'm taking screenshots of liberal friends on social media who keep scolding the unvaccinated. I intend to show them the screenshots later when it's common knowledge that these "vaccinations" were actually deadly, and maybe they should actually listen to people outside of their propaganda.
If it's never been isolated how do they know?
Fear lowers your vibration. Constantly focusing on it makes you attract it - this is why the Cabal news channels push the fear porn propaganda 24/7 in all media. The more the people soak in it the more it manifests in their life.
Ah the religion of life force energy. Chi, Kundalini, Prana, the life force, New Age healing, Vital Force, and psychic healing. These all are names for the same thing.
Yep pretty much. Whatever you want to call it.
I call it Qabbalistic garbage - https://www.texemarrs.com/102014/new_age_is_jewish.htm
Makes more sense than a magic man in the sky. Each to their own.
And the Qabbalistic Ein Soph iiiiiiis?
Interesting. I know a lot of other countries, including Israel are looking at nose sprays to kill off the virus in the nasal passage, but to leave a protective layer as well.
The FLCCC guidelines have been updated as such too. You can make your own. 1ml of 10% Povidone Iodine wound wash to 9ml of saline spray. I did the math. I have a 44ml bottle of nasal spray, and added approx 4.9ml of Iodine to it.
It does burn a little, and be careful because iodine does stain.
There is also a commercial product called Xlear that uses Xylitol as the active ingredient that serves the same purpose.
I'm using it now while battling covid, but plan to keep some around before going out in large groups as a preventive measure.
So, some sort of disinfectant you spray in your body?
Yup. Isn't it ironic? :)
I fully expect to see an article about nasal sprays for horses in tomorrow's headlines, and how it's dangerous for humans.
Beware the nose sprays with unknown content March 23 2021: "A New Generation of Vaccines Is Coming, Some With No Needles" https://archive.ph/qiqzc "Stealthy" nose spray? "All that spike protein production can trigger an immune response that can result in stronger side effects"
CDC adds to the definition of Vaccines by adding in nose spray https://greatawakening.win/p/12jJGcINeO/cdc-forgot-to-change-their-langu/c/
The lancet... they will (and have) published lies...
.... the lancet doesn't have the credibility they used to.
WHY, WHY. Is no one talking about Novavax vaccine. It was proven to have Sterilizing Immunity, meaning it even stops the spreading. Because it goes against the plan. The FDA is holding back approval because they’re criminally responsible, including Getlibb and Faucci.
FDA APPROVE NOVAVAX VACCINE NOW
Now, THIS is what was never done in the Pfizer study. They did NOT study IF their vaxxed group would spread to others.
Here, it shows they do.
How can you compare the "old" strain to the "new" strain when NO strain has been isolated??? Yes I read the earlier post explaining the sequencing bs but as yet the wuflu hasn't been isolated...
And yet this "virus" has not been isolated...
Easily dismissed as not peer-reviewed by normies. https://files.catbox.moe/gsf8xz.jpg
https://greatawakening.win/p/12ih0PfXqG/we-are-going-to-kill-ourselves-b/c/
Good one I've seen it before perhaps the peer-review process is where they get to control the narrative
truth is stranger than fiction, I know whatever they say to do, I don't.
Was snuffing that scientist out the job Sleepy Joe sent Kameltoe on?
Lock Them Up!
The paper NEVER claims the vaccinated carry 251x the viral load of the unvaccinated. The paper states - copy paste - “ Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020. ”
I brought this up to my daughter who is a nurse, and she said if you're vaccinated you pose no threat, and everyone needs to take it. So she thinks that it doesn't matter if you carry a higher load in your booger cart because everyone should be vaxxed.
It seems that vaccinated people have a high viral load in the presymptomatic and asymptomatic stage, that means before they feel sick.
Therefore, when they think they are totally well, they are actually able to transmit. Those not vaccinated would not have a high viral load until they got the the stage of feeling ill.
::::to the Dr who came upon this "revelation"::::
Is this where i put "No shit, Sherlock!"? Because someone told me this where to put "No shit, Sherlock!"
Preprints with The Lancet: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733
What vaccine did the test subject take?
Who is Dr. Peter McCullough?
Dr. McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and Professor of Medicine at Texas A & M College of Medicine, Dallas, TX USA. Since the outset of the pandemic, Dr. McCullough has been a leader in the medical response to the COVID-19 disaster and has published “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection” the first synthesis of sequenced multidrug treatment of ambulatory patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the American Journal of Medicine and subsequently updated in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine. He has 40 peer-reviewed publications on the infection and has commented extensively on the medical response to the COVID-19 crisis in TheHill and on FOX NEWS Channel. On November 19, 2020, Dr. McCullough testified in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, Colorado General Assembly, and New Hampshire Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response. Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH, FACP, FACC, FAHA, FCRSA, FCCP, FNKF, FNLA
Professor of Medicine, Texas A & M College of Medicine Board Certified Internist and Cardiologist President Cardiorenal Society of America Editor-in-Chief, Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine Editor-in-Chief, Cardiorenal Medicine Senior Associate Editor, American Journal of Cardiology For more information about Dr. McCullough, please visit: heartplace.com/dr-peter-a-mcculloughPeter A. McCullough, MD, MPH, FACP, FACC, FAHA, FCRSA, FCCP, FNKF, FNLA Professor of Medicine, Texas A & M College of Medicine Board Certified Internist and Cardiologist President Cardiorenal Society of America Editor-in-Chief, Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine Editor-in-Chief, Cardiorenal Medicine Senior Associate Editor, American Journal of Cardiology For more information about Dr. McCullough, please visit: heartplace.com/dr-peter-a-mccullough
This doesn’t say anything about being compared to the unvaccinated. It’s 251 times compared to older strains. There is no correlation made to the unvaccinated, unless I missed it in the published study.