Renewable energy... The ELEPHANT noone wants to talk about!
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Reality Check. Someone doesn't know how to read a utility bill. There is NO place in the US where elec. costs are $1.16 per kwh. Avg. is 11.6 CENTS, not 116 cents. Math is hard. That said, the Volt sucks and electric cars in general suck except for local commuting.
BC Hydro, this is Canada buddy. Our Gov went hard on this stupid eco shit without ever addressing that it only becomes profitable at 3x the regular electrical rate so it all gets subsidized, and the ROI on the systems happens after 80% of their life cycle not including damage or maintenance.
Think about that one simple well reported fact. One solar panel might economically replace itself by the end of its commercial lifetime. might. How the fuck do you grow an economy with a power system that won't be a net producer of electricity.
BC Hydro is (residential) 9.39 cents pr for first 1350 kwh... .14 cents after.
I'm in Ontario, I just assumed he was rural because of the shit show time of use here where people were getting $1000/month electricity bills and applied the "BC is the only place more retarded than us".
CountryBoy, you've already said it better than I could ever DREAM of saying it. But let me try to add to what you've said, with this paraphrase: "When every day travel and ownership of cars is made illegal for law-abiding citizens then only criminals will own cars and regularly travel." That part is ALL ABOUT 'control'. As far as 'they' are concerned, we average folks are too free to move about! And, 'they' think we're not paying enough!
Our biggest payoff in the energy game is STILL to be realized through ENERGY CONSERVATION. We STILL are not designing enough homes & buildings to be 'self-cooling' (effective ventilation) or 'self-warming' (effective insulation). And yet from history, there are sustainable models of BOTH that are low-tech and relatively inexpensive. ('They' think we're not spending enough?)
The list of things we COULD be doing (instead of trying to take away the freedoms of ourselves and our neighbors) is extensive. Many millions of us could live in communities completely off grid - but where is their ''control" in that?
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE! GBY & your loved ones! Working/ learning/ sharing/ struggling together, we MAGA!
We would do better to bring back the Stanley Steamer.
California rate is $0.25 per kWh (probably one of the most expensive in the country). So the numbers in the article are off by a factor of 5, at least. Arizona - as low as $0.07 per kWh; $0.11 per kWh in summer.
Regarding the electrical infrastructure - the average car is driven 40 miles a day. You can charge a Tesla on standard 120V / 12 Amps overnight for 8 hours and get enough charge for 40 miles (this is called 'Level 1 charging'). If you drive less than 40 miles/day on average, you'll fully charge over the course of time even on 120V/12A service. But if you need a full charge (ahead of a long drive) then yes, you will need 'Level 2' charging which is 50 amp. The chances of everyone on the street charging their Tesla's at 'Level 2' at the same time are pretty small; same issue would occur if everyone ran their electric dryer at the same time.
I'd never buy an EV personally, but let's at least get the basic concepts in order.
Consumers Energy in Whitmerland is trying to catch up to California. The "base" rate isn't bad, but after they add all the list of gibmedats (including a per kWh fee to pay for other people heating with electricity... in the summer...) it comes up just barely under 20 cents per kWh.
But wait, there's more. Between Memorial Day and Labor Day, from 9am to 7pm there's an automatic 50% rate increase on every weekday. So almost 30 cents.
So, a while ago, Elon Musk echoed these exact same sentiments regarding our power systems. He made it blatantly clear that our grid couldn't handle his cars and that it would take an absurd overhaul to change that if current thinking continued.
So, instead, his suggestion was to break up our grid into 3 pieces: backbone, midway, and local (I don't remember what he named them, but those are the 3 ideas).
Backbone would be your BIG producers. You'd have something like a Nuclear plant or three in a region, or a coal plant if it fit the bill. The idea is to eliminate polluting production if possible, because everything helps. Why not breathe better? Etc.
Midway is slightly closer to home, maybe down to the county/city level. This would be things like solar farms, geothermal plants, hydroelectric, or other things that wouldn't fit on a roof but would be able to hide behind a block of trees. These provide the majority of local power as needed, and the locality relies on the Backbone when these need maintenance or fail.
Local is all the stuff that fits on your roof or in a lot in your neighborhood. Solar roofs, mini hydro, little wind turbines on skyscraper roofs, and whatever else you can cram in without ruining the general aesthetics of your local area. It doesn't need to make a lot of power, just help. The pennies will add up (and lower your power bill). You decide your level of involvement. The Midway and Backbone are there to carry you through if this fails.
Then, according to him, you have a modular and scalable power grid that everyone can run their electric cars on and decide how much they want to help it out.
Elon a few years ago proposed solar roofing built to the appearance of traditional roofing that would generate the power for the house and charge electric vehicles. With a battery big enough to get through low/no Sun times, the house and car could exist completely off the grid. I liked the idea at the time. I haven't heard how he's progressed with that lately.
Almost a year ago I seriously looked into installing a Tesla roof solar system including 2 Power Walls on my 2800 sq ft house IN FLORIDA. My purpose is to provide power should we lose power in a storm. After removing the "tax savings" mumbo jumbo from the cost of the system, the real cost was in the neighborhood of $65000. This is compared to the regular shingle roof at $18800. The associate from Tesla said it would NOT allow my home to be stand-alone. Meaning that if there were a period of no power on the grid, like in the aftermath of a major hurricane - it is Florida afterall - the system would NOT be operational. Why would I spend $65k for a solar system if it would NOT provide electricity during a major outage?? I installed a propane tank and a propane powered generator instead and will add on solar panels for supplemental power in the very near future.
Thanks for the info. I live in a lake effect area of Ohio. From November Through January for those three months we get almost no Sun with very few clear days. I think solar would be nearly useless during that time. It sounds like you came up with a good power strategy.
I also saw a few months back an analysis on Carbon footprint.
Electric vehicles have a larger carbon footprint just when they are manufactured vs. a gas powered vehicle that is built and OPERATED over a twenty year span.
Electric vehicles being GREEN are a total lie
It's not bad for local commuting, but the technology needs to mature to be more viable for anything else. And IIRC, it's worse in cold weather since it reduces the battery some
Tesla solar roofs/battery packs will replace the antiquated system we have right now. The chargers at my work are 16 amps and it charges fast enough. The one I have at home is 32 amps and it charges at 47km/hour which is more than enough to never have to worry about range anxiety. There are always superchargers available and the future ones will be all solar powered.
And having the rooftop / battery system gives you more independence. I've no interest in pure solar, but solar+battery is the way to go.
I pointed out that the amount of energy transferred during the fill up of a gas car would be so dangerous that you would want to be anywhere near it for electricity.
Electricity is good for some stuff. Gasoline is way better for other stuff.
The environmentalists overlook several important factors. They happily tell us how many homes a renewable source will supply - usually based on maximum outputs and not on average figures but they forget that the number of houses quoted will be approximately halved when everyone has to recharge their own cars.
Then they tell us how cheap renewables are while claiming it will create jobs. So, are they not proposing to pay the people doing those new jobs? Wind is free, they say, but so is coal and gas. The costs are incurred when you try to convert that "free" source into useful energy.
Then there is the tax issue. Currently, fossil fuels are taxed everywhere: mining/drilling equipment, access to drilling sites, vat, special fuel taxes, transport industry etc. All that loss in revenue will need to be made up somehow. All that will increase the cost of any renewable.
The entire "green energy" is absurd for anyone that has real technical knowledge of the systems.
As far as the grid load, I don't have enough to quantify, but if a block of people all charged their cars and it was within their individual breakers, it would be the breaker next up the line that would trip.
No different than the LEED construction standards everywhere new. Everything is about electrical efficiency even over system efficiency. So, if you double or triple the amounts of steel, copper and aluminum to reduce the size of an electrical component, THAT is an improvement.
Then once complete, because of all the sensors, controls, monitoring stations and automation, the LEED standard uses something like 75% more power than an equivalent building without LEED.
Solar panels, on top of what u/whenisenoughh pointed out, much north of Texas, a grid scale solar plant only becomes profitable due to subsidies. Roughly ditto for wind, except the geographical area is different.
What most people are missing is they don't intend most people to have electric cars. IC engines will be outlawed, electric cars will be allowed but only for those who can afford them That will be the typical 1% and the rest of the population will be expected to live in small apartments in cities and use public transportation.
Because of strain on the electric infrastructure electricity costs will go way up, to improve said infrastructure, and those who cannot afford electric cars will be subsidizing the infrastructure for the rich who can afford the luxury of having one.
If you want to keep your ICE vehicle, get busy now protecting or creating laws that will keep them or your children will be walking and paying for rich people to have them.
Assuming we aren't all dead from forced vaccines.
Just a comment regarding the time estimate: For hybrids, travel times would likely approximate "regular" travel times because drivers probably won't stop and wait to recharge the battery once it's drained. The cars use a different battery to start the car, so they will still be able to start the car when the "main" battery is drained. As such, they'll just refuel and continue driving using only gasoline until they have time to recharge the battery (i.e., a mini/booster charge during a food stop or a complete charge when they reach their destination or stop for the night).
The change in infrastructure is going to be insane.
They should be called coal and nuclear powered cars. That's where the electricity overwhelmingly comes from.
There's no way the power grid could handle it if everyone had an electric car. In California, they have to do rolling blackouts just to get through summers now. Add a few million electric cars and what do you think will happen?
Let's add the corn lobby "renewable" ethanol/gasoline fiasco. Gasoline is BTU energy dense, ethanol is not. Adding ethanol to your gas reduces BTUs per gallon so you use more of it. This is exactly the opposite effect of what most believe it does.
/this is clown world, aka regulatory capture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
Because it's a terribly written article!
Windmills also create a huge amount of pollution to produce. The specialty materials used in the production and their install (special steel, special aluminum, special rubbers, special wiring, ridiculously thick concrete, special machinery to transport, special machinery to lift and install, special machinery to maintain) take MASSIVELY more coal and oil than the equal amount of electricity they produce in terms of a coal factory, and not from a drawback of the technology but from a drawback of PHYSICS. The absolutes of the windmill system, assuming 100% efficiency, still fall worlds short of a simple coal factory by current standards.
not to mention the disposal of the windmill, which essentially creates a huge uninhabitable bio-hazard area, and isn't recyclable
I actually got to tour the inside of a coal fired boiler in college, it was amazing. It obviously was shut down for maintenance and scaffolding was installed inside. I forget the megawattage but it was a full sized power plant with 3 boilers, not a tiny supplemental boiler. Got to see their other boiler in action as well, and see the coal powder injecting live.
I wonder if they use electric powered vehicles to get around that square mile plant or if they use natural gas and kerosene powered tow motors and such like I saw in factories where I worked?