One of the Flat Earth claims is that the Earth cannot revolve at a different speed at the equator than it does at the North Pole, or very close to the poles.
Do you agree with that?
If so, explain how a basketball can revolve at different speeds at the center than it does at the poles.
Also, explain the change of seasons in a Flat Earth model.
Also, explain the solar eclipse, lunar eclipse, and Moon phases in the FE model.
for some reason people have a very hard time grasping the concept of rotational speeds and how the distance from the center of that orbit can change the speed at which that point is traveling.
the tip of the second hand on a watch moves MUCH faster than the part of the hand that is closest to the center...
but that just doesn't make sense to people for some reason.
"how can different parts of the same thing be moving at different speeds"?
it's a hard one to get them to grasp, but once they do you can see that lightbulb light up.
LOL, "Professor Dave" is a well-paid shill (and not a "professor" either) who bends over backwards to deceive you. All of the above are well explained in hundreds of hours of FE videos out there.
99% of what you'll EASILY FIND by doing a standard search on YouTube, Google, etc. will bring you to deliberate disinformation websites and videos. Namely, "The Flat Earth Society" which is pure absurdity - but ranks highest in Google search.
Now why would Google want you to find pure nonsense?
And if you're searching for "debunk flat earth", even worse. Brainwashed minions who are just repeating what their textbooks told them to memorize. They offer no proof, but just regurgitate their indoctrinated education resources.
Eric Dubay was the originator of the recent FE surge. He has channels on YouTube, Bitchute and Odysee today. "Jeranism" is one of the more fun guys to listen to - he shreds globie positions every day. David Weiss does perhaps the best discussions as he does interviews with skeptics on a regular basis. His channels on YT are "DITRH" and "Flat Earth Sun, Moon and Zodiac Clock App" (terrible names...hahaha).
Briefly on your questions:
Revolution speed - You read some strange disinfo here. This is a globie claim, not an FE claim. Obviously!
Your second question contradicts your first??? FE'ers aren't in the business of explaining the fake "globe model" so you'll have to ask a globie that question as it's their argument.
Seasons - You'll have to learn the FE model and the sun transiting from the Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn --- makes perfect sense.
The globie eclipse explanation has been thoroughly debunked - both solar and lunar make no sense in the globie model.
You've simply got to do your own research. It's clear you're just listening to FE debunks and parroting their attempts to debunk. The three best resources are listed above. And better yet, you can take Dave Weiss' 3 bitcoin challenge. He'll give you 3 BTC if you can provide JUST ONE PROOF of the globe model being accurate. Perhaps this is the best route if you truly want to learn. Good luck!
You conveniently sidestepped all of my questions. If you really understood FE and believed it, you should have the ability to at least give a brief explanation.
I already DID check it out, and found the FE explanation to be lacking. That's why I asked.
You've simply got to do your own research. It's clear you're just listening to FE debunks and parroting their attempts to debunk.
You took the coward's way out, and it appears you know nothing that would explain the FE model in any rational way.
You provided NO ANSWERS.
Revolution speed - You read some strange disinfo here. This is a globie claim, not an FE claim. Obviously!
No, it is NOT a globie claim. I got that DIRECTLY from someone who is a FE'er. He said that if Earth were a globe, then there is no way that the equator could spin at a different speed than the poles.
My response to that claim is to explain how a basketball does exactly this.
Seasons - You'll have to learn the FE model and the sun transiting from the Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn --- makes perfect sense.
I asked how does a FE'er explain the changing of the seasons. I already understand how it works for a globe model.
I have no need to go searching for answers, when you are here, as an expert. This is especially true if the search engines hide the "good stuff."
Provide an answer. You don't seem to understand your own belief.
You evaded that question and refused to answer. That makes you seem intellectually dishonest.
The globie eclipse explanation has been thoroughly debunked - both solar and lunar make no sense in the globie model.
Explain the "illusion" if you think that's what it is.
"Debunked" is the coward's way out of an honest debate. If I said that Flat Earth had already been debunked, and that is the end of the discussion, would you accept that as a fact?
Stop being lazy. You come across as intellectually dishonest, and likely spreading disinformation on purpose.
At the very least, you seem to have NO IDEA why you, yourself, believe in FE.
That is more than a little odd. You don't even try to back up anything you believe in?
That's the sign of a disinfo agent.
Put up with some of your own words to explain it, or be dismissed as a shill.
He just opened all the doors for you, quit being lazy and expecting people to spoon feed you information. Just gave you the name of 4 different channels you can look up and find your answers there. Some things just can't be explained easily without visual representation.
Anyone who really believes it -- including you -- should be able to give a simple explanation in their own words. If they can't, then they don't really understand what they are talking about.
Nobody is going to go on a wild goose chase to learn about something when there is NO BASIC INFO PRESENTED to explain some basic concepts.
I have already taken a peek down that rabbit hole, and found there was nothing in it.
Prove me wrong. Provide SOME basic answer to basic questions.
If you can't, then the conclusion is you don't really know what you're talking about.
I could give simple, short answers to why the 9/11 narrative is likely false, or the Moon landing might be false, or the 2020 election was stolen. They would not be complete answers, but I could list some basics for any doubter to decide if they would want to check it out more.
Saying NOTHING -- which is what both of you have done -- just demonstrates you don't really know.
LOL, I'm disinfo agent? And I'm a coward too? Ad hominem attacks aimed at the messenger are the signs of disinfo agents. You should be aware of that if you're here. Perhaps you are projecting?
The problem with writing words to skeptics is that they have no effect. I've tried many times in the past.
Do you have an open mind? Are you interested in learning or are you out searching for reasons to maintain your present beliefs? It makes all the difference in the world. Here are some brief answers for you to evaluate.
Sphere rotation: Which FE'er told you the globe doesn't spin at different speeds? Name him/her please. All the people I listed make no such claim. There are dozens of "fake" FE'ers out there - it's a mine field. I listed 3 of the best. None of them make such a claim.
Seasons - On the FE model, the sun transits annually back and forth from the Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn. The equator is the halfway point between the transits - hence this region doesn't experience seasons. When the sun is nearest the Tropic of Cancer, the northern hemisphere has warmer weather, the southern cooler. And vice versa when the sun draws nearest to the Tropic of Capricorn. If you don't understand the FE model, you need to watch some videos to see what it looks like.
Solar Eclipses - The solar eclipse is simple to explain. As both the sun and moon are roughly 3300 miles away (not 225,000 and 93,000,000 miles away), sometimes the moon moves in front of the sun and eclipses it. This is not complicated Ancient civilizations knew this thousands of years ago. Our NASA experts still use the ancient methods of calculations to predict them both.
Lunar Eclipses - This is a more complex explanation. There are several videos of the lunar eclipse where the rising sun can be seen in the distance while the lunar eclipse is occurring. That would be impossible in the globe model as the sun is alleged to be directly "behind" the earth casting the earth's shadow on the moon. Again, you can watch these videos and evaluate for yourself. How can you witness the lunar eclipse and yet also be able to see the rising sun within the same frame of reference? I happen to believe in the existence of something long called "The black sun". It's a stretch for a noob to even entertain this idea, so I don't explain it often. There's a video of a free mason demonstrating the entire FE model including the influence of the black sun. Very interesting, but impossible to prove at this stage
Moon phases - The moon is self-luminous. Very simple. It's impossible for a sphere to be a "reflective body". You can test this for yourself with say a silver ball. Any bright light aimed at it will cause the light to be condensed to a small point, much like a magnifying glass reflecting bright sun. Also, the "black sun" influences the phases as well.
The FE model doesn't believe the sun, moon (or planets and stars) are flying rocks in outer space held in orbit by phantom gravity. That's the first hurdle you'll have to contemplate. In ancient times, all the planets were known as "wandering stars". Every picture you've ever seen by NASA are "images", never "photographs". They are CGI "artist renderings". NASA reluctantly admits this on all but two images - 1972 "blue marble" and 2003 ISS image. Sadly, the two "images" don't even resemble one another. Again, you can go watch and see for yourself. Are the sun and moon lights? Light sources of something elsewhere? Are they plasmas of some sort? We don't know. We don't have a $53Million dollar a day budget to know for sure.
Frankly, we should have MILLIONS of images and videos of earth "rotating and floating in space" if the globe model were true. The globie argument is that the ISS isn't far enough "out there" to take full pictures/videos like the alleged Apollo missions. But yet, they can allegedly take pictures of Jupiter, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, etc. with their supposed "Hubble Telescope". Well which is it? If Hubble is far enough "out there", it could be easily turned back toward Earth and thousands of pictures and videos could be produced. But there are none.
You can watch alleged ISS missions of astronauts doing their various "space walks" with an apparent Earth rotating in the background. If you go critically watch these, you'll see virtually no "land" and essentially a blue ball mostly covered in white clouds the entire time. They're just pure nonsense CGI. It's so obvious once you watch with a critical eye.
Anyway - there are your short answers from a non-agent, non-coward, honest FE researcher. The FE'ers don't have all the answers. As with virtually any "conspiracy theory", we can determine what is NOT TRUE, but we can't always tell you what IS TRUE simply because that information is hidden from the masses.
Just one: the moon is not a shiny ball. It's a rough ball of material that is close to white. I've looked at it through a very good telescope, and it was basically spherical and looked a lot like a ball of plaster. I could see that the center was closer and the surface curved around. I could see individual craters and see that they were curved around at the edges of the face I was looking at.
Because of the irregularities of motion, we can actually see more than half of the moon. Sometimes we see more towards one edge than the other. There are photos to prove this. Anyone can buy a good telescope and document it for themselves.
Thanks for this.
I also suggest Ewaranon’s docs WHAT ON EARTH HAPPENED and THE LOST HISTORY OF FLAT EARTH.
They are super informative and easy to digest. Eric Dubay has a massive amount of technical proofs. I’ll look into the others.
Absolutely. I recommend David Weiss' interviews he does with skeptics as some of the best material out there when dealing with the common ideas you'll find in debunk vids. They are usually 1-2 hours in length, so you need to set aside some time.
EwarAnon's stuff is great but that's like 10+ hours of material --- too much for normies and he doesn't directly tackle many of the alleged "debunks" that the establishment likes to regurgitate (eclipses, seasons, moon, etc.).
Jeran actually slays the establishment. You'll want to skip over his "Baby Truther" and "GNN" videos which are 100% sarcasm, effectively flipping the bird at YT censorhsip. But he's a fun guy to listen to.
I think I convinced him to tackle the gravity issue with the establishment astrophysics notions of "dark matter" and "dark energy". Basically, the establishment was forced to make all that up (95% of the universe) in order to maintain their gravity lie. He did a great job with it recently. It's all so simple when you dive in and learn for yourself.
You are wrong about the Flat Earth Society, they are legitimate. Read through their Wiki, they go into their theories at depth and have explanations for the lunar eclipse, gravity, and several possible alternative geographical FE layouts - https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki
That's a flat out lie you fucking shill. Flat earth society is a load of shit and anyone who believes the shit they say are retarded. Its called controlled opposition. It's the name every politician and scientist drops when mentioning flat earth to send you down the wrong path.
We aren’t supposed to talk about this here but since you asked twice nicely, in the geocentric model the sun is small and close not huge and far away. Sun orbits around the plane, lighting up day. Parts of the world outside that light are night. I think your confusion is you are trying to visualize a flat plane floating in space being lit by an enormous star. The geocentric model is something totally different. But again, we aren’t supposed to talk about this here. Please mods no ban.
But you can measure the angle of the sun from two different locations and figure the distance of the sun using trigonometry. It's exactly the same as a surveyor figuring the width of a pond. The sun is about 93,000,000 miles away.
There are explanation for everything but I am not going to say anything further because I don’t want to be banned and I actually agree with mods that Q and FE should be separate. Cheers fren!
Why ban a simple topic? Aren’t we all on here searching for truth. If we can all figure it out on here I would think it to be truth. Some of the smartest people out there are on TGW. WE can figure this out together.
It’s because people react very negatively to FE so it creates a lot of unnecessary division, and also, FE is one of those topics that tends to hijack discussion. T_D does the same thing with Q (not allowed) and I think it’s reasonable because Q debate used to completely hijack the general talk about Trump and it just made everyone angry. I am okay with mods trying to keep a group on topic.
That's a good interview that answers your questions. He has a bunch of them. I chose this one because it shows how strong the brainwashing is in some people. Hes got a great one with Eddie bravo.
One of the Flat Earth claims is that the Earth cannot revolve at a different speed at the equator than it does at the North Pole, or very close to the poles.
Do you agree with that?
If so, explain how a basketball can revolve at different speeds at the center than it does at the poles.
Also, explain the change of seasons in a Flat Earth model.
Also, explain the solar eclipse, lunar eclipse, and Moon phases in the FE model.
thx
for some reason people have a very hard time grasping the concept of rotational speeds and how the distance from the center of that orbit can change the speed at which that point is traveling.
the tip of the second hand on a watch moves MUCH faster than the part of the hand that is closest to the center...
but that just doesn't make sense to people for some reason.
"how can different parts of the same thing be moving at different speeds"?
it's a hard one to get them to grasp, but once they do you can see that lightbulb light up.
LOL, "Professor Dave" is a well-paid shill (and not a "professor" either) who bends over backwards to deceive you. All of the above are well explained in hundreds of hours of FE videos out there.
99% of what you'll EASILY FIND by doing a standard search on YouTube, Google, etc. will bring you to deliberate disinformation websites and videos. Namely, "The Flat Earth Society" which is pure absurdity - but ranks highest in Google search.
Now why would Google want you to find pure nonsense?
And if you're searching for "debunk flat earth", even worse. Brainwashed minions who are just repeating what their textbooks told them to memorize. They offer no proof, but just regurgitate their indoctrinated education resources.
Eric Dubay was the originator of the recent FE surge. He has channels on YouTube, Bitchute and Odysee today. "Jeranism" is one of the more fun guys to listen to - he shreds globie positions every day. David Weiss does perhaps the best discussions as he does interviews with skeptics on a regular basis. His channels on YT are "DITRH" and "Flat Earth Sun, Moon and Zodiac Clock App" (terrible names...hahaha).
Briefly on your questions:
Revolution speed - You read some strange disinfo here. This is a globie claim, not an FE claim. Obviously!
Your second question contradicts your first??? FE'ers aren't in the business of explaining the fake "globe model" so you'll have to ask a globie that question as it's their argument.
Seasons - You'll have to learn the FE model and the sun transiting from the Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn --- makes perfect sense.
The globie eclipse explanation has been thoroughly debunked - both solar and lunar make no sense in the globie model.
You've simply got to do your own research. It's clear you're just listening to FE debunks and parroting their attempts to debunk. The three best resources are listed above. And better yet, you can take Dave Weiss' 3 bitcoin challenge. He'll give you 3 BTC if you can provide JUST ONE PROOF of the globe model being accurate. Perhaps this is the best route if you truly want to learn. Good luck!
You conveniently sidestepped all of my questions. If you really understood FE and believed it, you should have the ability to at least give a brief explanation.
I already DID check it out, and found the FE explanation to be lacking. That's why I asked.
You took the coward's way out, and it appears you know nothing that would explain the FE model in any rational way.
You provided NO ANSWERS.
No, it is NOT a globie claim. I got that DIRECTLY from someone who is a FE'er. He said that if Earth were a globe, then there is no way that the equator could spin at a different speed than the poles.
My response to that claim is to explain how a basketball does exactly this.
I asked how does a FE'er explain the changing of the seasons. I already understand how it works for a globe model.
I have no need to go searching for answers, when you are here, as an expert. This is especially true if the search engines hide the "good stuff."
Provide an answer. You don't seem to understand your own belief.
You evaded that question and refused to answer. That makes you seem intellectually dishonest.
Explain the "illusion" if you think that's what it is.
"Debunked" is the coward's way out of an honest debate. If I said that Flat Earth had already been debunked, and that is the end of the discussion, would you accept that as a fact?
Stop being lazy. You come across as intellectually dishonest, and likely spreading disinformation on purpose.
At the very least, you seem to have NO IDEA why you, yourself, believe in FE.
That is more than a little odd. You don't even try to back up anything you believe in?
That's the sign of a disinfo agent.
Put up with some of your own words to explain it, or be dismissed as a shill.
He just opened all the doors for you, quit being lazy and expecting people to spoon feed you information. Just gave you the name of 4 different channels you can look up and find your answers there. Some things just can't be explained easily without visual representation.
No, he sidestepped the questions.
Anyone who really believes it -- including you -- should be able to give a simple explanation in their own words. If they can't, then they don't really understand what they are talking about.
Nobody is going to go on a wild goose chase to learn about something when there is NO BASIC INFO PRESENTED to explain some basic concepts.
I have already taken a peek down that rabbit hole, and found there was nothing in it.
Prove me wrong. Provide SOME basic answer to basic questions.
If you can't, then the conclusion is you don't really know what you're talking about.
I could give simple, short answers to why the 9/11 narrative is likely false, or the Moon landing might be false, or the 2020 election was stolen. They would not be complete answers, but I could list some basics for any doubter to decide if they would want to check it out more.
Saying NOTHING -- which is what both of you have done -- just demonstrates you don't really know.
This.
LOL, I'm disinfo agent? And I'm a coward too? Ad hominem attacks aimed at the messenger are the signs of disinfo agents. You should be aware of that if you're here. Perhaps you are projecting?
The problem with writing words to skeptics is that they have no effect. I've tried many times in the past.
Do you have an open mind? Are you interested in learning or are you out searching for reasons to maintain your present beliefs? It makes all the difference in the world. Here are some brief answers for you to evaluate.
Sphere rotation: Which FE'er told you the globe doesn't spin at different speeds? Name him/her please. All the people I listed make no such claim. There are dozens of "fake" FE'ers out there - it's a mine field. I listed 3 of the best. None of them make such a claim.
Seasons - On the FE model, the sun transits annually back and forth from the Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn. The equator is the halfway point between the transits - hence this region doesn't experience seasons. When the sun is nearest the Tropic of Cancer, the northern hemisphere has warmer weather, the southern cooler. And vice versa when the sun draws nearest to the Tropic of Capricorn. If you don't understand the FE model, you need to watch some videos to see what it looks like.
Solar Eclipses - The solar eclipse is simple to explain. As both the sun and moon are roughly 3300 miles away (not 225,000 and 93,000,000 miles away), sometimes the moon moves in front of the sun and eclipses it. This is not complicated Ancient civilizations knew this thousands of years ago. Our NASA experts still use the ancient methods of calculations to predict them both.
Lunar Eclipses - This is a more complex explanation. There are several videos of the lunar eclipse where the rising sun can be seen in the distance while the lunar eclipse is occurring. That would be impossible in the globe model as the sun is alleged to be directly "behind" the earth casting the earth's shadow on the moon. Again, you can watch these videos and evaluate for yourself. How can you witness the lunar eclipse and yet also be able to see the rising sun within the same frame of reference? I happen to believe in the existence of something long called "The black sun". It's a stretch for a noob to even entertain this idea, so I don't explain it often. There's a video of a free mason demonstrating the entire FE model including the influence of the black sun. Very interesting, but impossible to prove at this stage
Moon phases - The moon is self-luminous. Very simple. It's impossible for a sphere to be a "reflective body". You can test this for yourself with say a silver ball. Any bright light aimed at it will cause the light to be condensed to a small point, much like a magnifying glass reflecting bright sun. Also, the "black sun" influences the phases as well.
The FE model doesn't believe the sun, moon (or planets and stars) are flying rocks in outer space held in orbit by phantom gravity. That's the first hurdle you'll have to contemplate. In ancient times, all the planets were known as "wandering stars". Every picture you've ever seen by NASA are "images", never "photographs". They are CGI "artist renderings". NASA reluctantly admits this on all but two images - 1972 "blue marble" and 2003 ISS image. Sadly, the two "images" don't even resemble one another. Again, you can go watch and see for yourself. Are the sun and moon lights? Light sources of something elsewhere? Are they plasmas of some sort? We don't know. We don't have a $53Million dollar a day budget to know for sure.
Frankly, we should have MILLIONS of images and videos of earth "rotating and floating in space" if the globe model were true. The globie argument is that the ISS isn't far enough "out there" to take full pictures/videos like the alleged Apollo missions. But yet, they can allegedly take pictures of Jupiter, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, etc. with their supposed "Hubble Telescope". Well which is it? If Hubble is far enough "out there", it could be easily turned back toward Earth and thousands of pictures and videos could be produced. But there are none.
You can watch alleged ISS missions of astronauts doing their various "space walks" with an apparent Earth rotating in the background. If you go critically watch these, you'll see virtually no "land" and essentially a blue ball mostly covered in white clouds the entire time. They're just pure nonsense CGI. It's so obvious once you watch with a critical eye.
Anyway - there are your short answers from a non-agent, non-coward, honest FE researcher. The FE'ers don't have all the answers. As with virtually any "conspiracy theory", we can determine what is NOT TRUE, but we can't always tell you what IS TRUE simply because that information is hidden from the masses.
Too many lies to document them all.
Just one: the moon is not a shiny ball. It's a rough ball of material that is close to white. I've looked at it through a very good telescope, and it was basically spherical and looked a lot like a ball of plaster. I could see that the center was closer and the surface curved around. I could see individual craters and see that they were curved around at the edges of the face I was looking at.
Because of the irregularities of motion, we can actually see more than half of the moon. Sometimes we see more towards one edge than the other. There are photos to prove this. Anyone can buy a good telescope and document it for themselves.
So I don’t know about you, but at 6 minute mark in this video, I sure see a lot land…
Space Walk YouTube
Also, why do you think the sun is only 3,300 miles away? What method of measurement confirms that?
Thanks for this. I also suggest Ewaranon’s docs WHAT ON EARTH HAPPENED and THE LOST HISTORY OF FLAT EARTH. They are super informative and easy to digest. Eric Dubay has a massive amount of technical proofs. I’ll look into the others.
The truth, once you see it, you can't unsee it. Truth is like that. The Lost History Of The Flat Earth is amazing!
Absolutely. I recommend David Weiss' interviews he does with skeptics as some of the best material out there when dealing with the common ideas you'll find in debunk vids. They are usually 1-2 hours in length, so you need to set aside some time.
EwarAnon's stuff is great but that's like 10+ hours of material --- too much for normies and he doesn't directly tackle many of the alleged "debunks" that the establishment likes to regurgitate (eclipses, seasons, moon, etc.).
Jeran actually slays the establishment. You'll want to skip over his "Baby Truther" and "GNN" videos which are 100% sarcasm, effectively flipping the bird at YT censorhsip. But he's a fun guy to listen to.
I think I convinced him to tackle the gravity issue with the establishment astrophysics notions of "dark matter" and "dark energy". Basically, the establishment was forced to make all that up (95% of the universe) in order to maintain their gravity lie. He did a great job with it recently. It's all so simple when you dive in and learn for yourself.
I'm watching one of David Weiss' debates now. He's destroying the "science" guy. lol.
You are wrong about the Flat Earth Society, they are legitimate. Read through their Wiki, they go into their theories at depth and have explanations for the lunar eclipse, gravity, and several possible alternative geographical FE layouts - https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki
That's a flat out lie you fucking shill. Flat earth society is a load of shit and anyone who believes the shit they say are retarded. Its called controlled opposition. It's the name every politician and scientist drops when mentioning flat earth to send you down the wrong path.
Controlled opposition based on what? They have much bettter quality and organization of their theories then Dubey has for his.
Can you point out to me which article you think is a load of shit in their Wiki?
Says who? Intellectual sewage? You sound like a typical leftie who would say the same about q
They need to explain why, when I video call my fiancee in the Philippines at midnight for me, it is bright and sunny where she is.
We aren’t supposed to talk about this here but since you asked twice nicely, in the geocentric model the sun is small and close not huge and far away. Sun orbits around the plane, lighting up day. Parts of the world outside that light are night. I think your confusion is you are trying to visualize a flat plane floating in space being lit by an enormous star. The geocentric model is something totally different. But again, we aren’t supposed to talk about this here. Please mods no ban.
But you can measure the angle of the sun from two different locations and figure the distance of the sun using trigonometry. It's exactly the same as a surveyor figuring the width of a pond. The sun is about 93,000,000 miles away.
There are explanation for everything but I am not going to say anything further because I don’t want to be banned and I actually agree with mods that Q and FE should be separate. Cheers fren!
Why ban a simple topic? Aren’t we all on here searching for truth. If we can all figure it out on here I would think it to be truth. Some of the smartest people out there are on TGW. WE can figure this out together.
It’s because people react very negatively to FE so it creates a lot of unnecessary division, and also, FE is one of those topics that tends to hijack discussion. T_D does the same thing with Q (not allowed) and I think it’s reasonable because Q debate used to completely hijack the general talk about Trump and it just made everyone angry. I am okay with mods trying to keep a group on topic.
Remember, the earth can be a circle, and not a ball.
https://youtu.be/t39a2t6kUYc
That's a good interview that answers your questions. He has a bunch of them. I chose this one because it shows how strong the brainwashing is in some people. Hes got a great one with Eddie bravo.