Hmm. I have difficulty believing this. I mean it could be with current infrastructure (though I would like to see evidence to support this), but I do not see this having validity if industry was free to make it not so.
Electricity can be made virtually pollution free. For example, hydroelectric generators and grid battery storage (depending on the battery type) is almost pollution free once constructed. If we put into place reasonable solar panel recycling infrastructure, the same could be said for home solar panels.
Most things we have are designed to fail and recycling infrastructure is designed to be inefficient. Pollution in that industry is imo a choice made by the PTB to push the climate fiasco. That is why pollution is high.
If we built things like we use to (they don't make 'em like they used to isn't just a meme), we could do electricity pretty efficiently at super low pollution.
Regardless, the CO2 thing isn't really pollution. Its all the other shit that's the problem. Pollution is real, Its CO2 based climate change that has very poor supporting evidence.
Solar panels and wind turbines are negative returns on energy and extremely heavy polluters.. You need a boatload of fossil fuels to have the machinery and manufacturing in place to create them.
Once drilled, oil and gas wells are extremely low-pollution, even with all of the tailpipe emissions at the other end of the supply chain.
The only energy source that is CO2 free is nuclear and radiation-based generation. But this was made ridiculously difficult to use or construct just before the war on fossil fuels (e.g. global warming) began.
No really they love CO2. More CO2 in air= more plant growth. More plant growth = more O2 produced by plants
Basically a homeostatic system which returns to an equilibrium.
I thought tesla was a commie company? It does have the 3 red stripe thingy as the E in their logo, all the cars look the same, plus didnt he get rich off govt contracts?
I miss a good screaming V8s. Now theyre all muted, or so fast that you cant enjoy a good pull through the gears, without risk of jail time
Solar panels and wind turbines are negative returns on energy and extremely heavy polluters. You need a boatload of fossil fuels to have the machinery and manufacturing in place to create them.
That is a problem of manufacturing and recycling infrastructure, as I stated already. These things are not being brought to market with these things in mind, because the market is not "free" but rather superdupermega controlled by the PTB.
Once drilled, oil and gas wells are extremely low-pollution
I don't actually give a crap about CO2. There is no data that supports CO2 being problematic in the scope that humans produce. Its the other pollutants that are problematic, including in the extraction process, the shipping process, the refining process and the burning process. Its not that clean. It may not be as dirty as "Climatologists" suggest (to me Climatologist = Climate Scientologist), but it is dirty, and solar could be very nearly completely free of pollutants if there were infrastructure in place for its manufacture and recycling (as I stated above).
The only energy source that is CO2 free is nuclear and radiation-based generation
Again, I don't care about CO2. Its a red herring. i am talking about pollution. I am a huge fan of nuclear energy, but it also has its pollution. It is not pollution free at all. That doesn't mean it can't be taken care of (infrastructure), but that infrastructure does not currently exist, just like it doesn't exist for solar.
Solar might be clean(er), but there is no way to produce enough to meet the needs of a 300-million human society. It is not anywhere close to the efficiency as petroleum.
It is not anywhere close to the efficiency as petroleum.
The energy density of petroleum is greater, but the surface area of the Earth (or the sun) is huge. There are many ways to make solar more efficient than petroleum through infrastructure.
I get it. Solar is not the godsend it is suggested to be by the Climatologists.
I get it. Petroleum is not the devil it is suggested to be by the Climatologists.
That doesn't mean that solar isn't a really great resource to tap, nor does it mean that solar isn't a better resource for actual sustainable (no pollution, basically infinite) energy production. I assert that solar can be both of those things (no pollution, basically infinite).
Its a function of designing systems to take advantage of things. Petroleum is chemical. Release of chemical energy has byproducts (pollution). That is the reality that needs to be dealt with in building infrastructure.
Petroleum is limited. How limited? I don't know, but its more limited than solar for sure.
Solar is basically free. Its there whether we use it or not, and there is a massive amount of it.
Solar is basically infinite. At least for the next few billion years. If we need more, we can put more solar gathering tools (currently called "solar panels") in space and send the energy down to earth.
Solar is basically pollutant free if it is designed to be so (there are no byproducts from the source, not counting the helium produced in the sun which stays there).
Using the sources we have available, solar is superior in all ways except energy density, but battery technology can meet petroleum and potentially pass it, and collecting the energy can be done over a large surface (home roof e.g.) and done indefinitely, producing more than enough than is needed. Its all a matter of infrastructure and a truly free market (which we have never experienced).
It is possible that solar can, at some point, get to the lofty ideals that many of us would love to see.
But that is not today, and that needs to be kept in mind, too.
Solar survives today due to massive subsidies. It is not economically viable on its own, except at very small scale.
Maybe that will change. That would be nice. Until then, we also must defend the efficient resource we have, which is petroleum.
I also used to think that "free energy" was nonsense. But as I learn a little more about Tesla (the man), I wonder if maybe he came up with some brilliant ideas that could be utilized.
What we really need is a free market in energy (free from government interference and conspiracy to push some ideas at the expense of others). We could possibly revolutionize the world within 10-20 years.
But that is not today, and that needs to be kept in mind, too.
I didn't mean we should stop using coal/oil/gas... That was never a concept. Of course we can't transition that easily, and all of the policies designed to transition without the infrastructure are designed to kill us,
It is not economically viable on its own, except at very small scale.
It wouldn't take much to get us there, but I agree at the moment, we do not have the infrastructure built. We are very close to having the technology though, and that's just the stuff I know about.
Until then, we also must defend the efficient resource we have, which is petroleum.
Zero argument from me. I never meant to suggest otherwise.
I also used to think that "free energy" was nonsense
The idea of "free energy" (a violation of conservation of energy) has no merit as far as I have seen. Having said that, observational data of the expansion of the universe seems to suggest the universe can do it without a care in the world. So who knows? (Though that would really just suggest an external source of energy that can be tapped, still not necessarily a violation of conservation of energy).
But there is a difference between violating conservation of energy, and getting energy from otherwise untapped (and effectively infinite) resources. For example, there is a mountain of evidence that suggests Cold Fusion is real (after nearly a year of studying it intensely, I am convinced it is, incontrovertibly). The amount of energy available there (and energy density) is nearly impossible to comprehend. It has been suppressed technology for at least 30 years.
I first learned about that long before I became "awake" (back around 2010). The amount and quality of the evidence was so great I thought it was hubris and dogma that kept it from being realized by the larger physics community. Now I realize it was the use of the weaponized term "conspiracy theory" and intentional suppression by the PTB. Its tough to have a "Great Reset" when everyone has basically infinite energy.
We could possibly revolutionize the world within 10-20 years
A truly free market... I don't think it would take that long. There is so much out there already that has been suppressed (especially in biotech). Just the stuff I know about is huge. There are cures for cancer, cures for most disease, CURES (not treatments) in general. There is the Cold Fusion (that I am sure of). There is possibly gravity manipulation (the "UFO" declas stuff may be that). Who knows what else.
What comes next will be the most amazing time to be alive. I am blessed to be here, now, at this time.
Solar is a pipe dream, and it's not an "infrastructurally-solvable" set of problems it faces.
Let's put it this way: a cow is solar powered. Each cow needs about 1-1.5 acres of land to convert that solar energy to sustain itself.
Want a real world experiment? Buy one of those cheap android cell phones running a 5inch screen and then replace the battery with a solar panel inverter and then keep it running the entire time the sun is out on a portable solar array of your choice.
The sun puts out a metric boatload of power, but very little of it hits earth. For what does hit earth, we have yet to build anything that can be mass produced to take advantage of more than about 35 percent of that in ideal conditions outside the laboratory (some lab experiments have yields conversions upwards of 80%, but they are not yet commercially practical).
Not really. FT processes operate at much lower temperature and pressure thresholds than what would exist deep beneath the earth.
They also generally rely on having some sort of hydrocarbon already present mixed with gases (co or co2), which would be hard to have in abundance within pressurized rock.
Depends on your definition of "pollution". The problem with hydro is that all the good hydro sources are already tapped, and it can lead to significant ecology disruption.
The real clean energy is nuclear fission. We know how to do it, fuel can be reprocessed if you aren't using 1950's light-water tech, and nothing will beat its power-generated-per-acre-of-land ratio.
How are lithium batteries and solar panels constructed? Do you know without doing a search?
If so, what materials should replace lithium and the vinyl acetate used to hold the purified silicon wafers manufactured by robots and baked in electric furnaces powered by fossil fuels? Currently, it takes 2-3 years for a solar panel's energy output to break even on the energy used to manufacture it in the first place, and that's not even factoring in the mining costs for boron and phosphate (or its transformation into phosphorus).
To get gasoline or diesel from crude oil, you need to distill the oil.
To use gas, you need to burn it to burn it.
You can burn pure crude oil for electricity, but the sulfur and other junk pollutes just the same as coal at that rate.
Coal is still better than gas if you take all that into account.
Edit:
The trade off is you can't pump coal. It's cheaper and less polluting because you have to truck coal whereas you can pump oil by pipeline. It's best to have a mix of everything, and why the hell not?
Well the left blob women would die of a heart attack if they had exert more energy than what it takes to shove a BigMac in their mouth and the soy boys lack the muscle capacity.
Wait until people realise that on average, pollution per unit of energy of electricity is far higher than pollution per unit of gas.
Hmm. I have difficulty believing this. I mean it could be with current infrastructure (though I would like to see evidence to support this), but I do not see this having validity if industry was free to make it not so.
Electricity can be made virtually pollution free. For example, hydroelectric generators and grid battery storage (depending on the battery type) is almost pollution free once constructed. If we put into place reasonable solar panel recycling infrastructure, the same could be said for home solar panels.
Most things we have are designed to fail and recycling infrastructure is designed to be inefficient. Pollution in that industry is imo a choice made by the PTB to push the climate fiasco. That is why pollution is high.
If we built things like we use to (they don't make 'em like they used to isn't just a meme), we could do electricity pretty efficiently at super low pollution.
Regardless, the CO2 thing isn't really pollution. Its all the other shit that's the problem. Pollution is real, Its CO2 based climate change that has very poor supporting evidence.
Solar panels and wind turbines are negative returns on energy and extremely heavy polluters.. You need a boatload of fossil fuels to have the machinery and manufacturing in place to create them.
Once drilled, oil and gas wells are extremely low-pollution, even with all of the tailpipe emissions at the other end of the supply chain.
The only energy source that is CO2 free is nuclear and radiation-based generation. But this was made ridiculously difficult to use or construct just before the war on fossil fuels (e.g. global warming) began.
The war on nuclear power is all I needed to know about CO2. They’ve had the solution since the 1960s.
They don’t want to “succeed” in their goals, because their goal is a lie.
Not to mention that CO2 isn’t a substantial greenhouse gas.
The whole thing is a fraud, every single element.
It’s got what plants crave!
No really they love CO2. More CO2 in air= more plant growth. More plant growth = more O2 produced by plants Basically a homeostatic system which returns to an equilibrium.
I am still hoping Tesla will come through ...
I thought tesla was a commie company? It does have the 3 red stripe thingy as the E in their logo, all the cars look the same, plus didnt he get rich off govt contracts?
I miss a good screaming V8s. Now theyre all muted, or so fast that you cant enjoy a good pull through the gears, without risk of jail time
I fell off my chain reading this, trying to think when did Nikola Tesla get rich off govt contracts! kek
I was not talking about Tesla company, but Nikola Tesla and his universal energy discovery.
My mistake, i was munching on a bit too many crayons last night
Lol. I thought you meant Tesla company too. I thought wait, what? Tesla is considering nuclear fuel source?
Perhaps he meant Nikola Tesla
Also the amount of Rare Earth Material per vehicle goes as follows.
Gas sedan-0.44Kg Electric sedan-1.0Kg Hybrid sedan-4.5Kg
Or per 100,000 cars(not a lot)
Gas sedan-44,000Kg Electric Sedan-100,000Kg Hybrid Sedan-450,000Kg
It’s pretty wild when you extrapolate those numbers 🤯
Stats are from SAE.org and from 2012 so could have slightly changed
That is a problem of manufacturing and recycling infrastructure, as I stated already. These things are not being brought to market with these things in mind, because the market is not "free" but rather superdupermega controlled by the PTB.
I don't actually give a crap about CO2. There is no data that supports CO2 being problematic in the scope that humans produce. Its the other pollutants that are problematic, including in the extraction process, the shipping process, the refining process and the burning process. Its not that clean. It may not be as dirty as "Climatologists" suggest (to me Climatologist = Climate Scientologist), but it is dirty, and solar could be very nearly completely free of pollutants if there were infrastructure in place for its manufacture and recycling (as I stated above).
Again, I don't care about CO2. Its a red herring. i am talking about pollution. I am a huge fan of nuclear energy, but it also has its pollution. It is not pollution free at all. That doesn't mean it can't be taken care of (infrastructure), but that infrastructure does not currently exist, just like it doesn't exist for solar.
Solar might be clean(er), but there is no way to produce enough to meet the needs of a 300-million human society. It is not anywhere close to the efficiency as petroleum.
The energy density of petroleum is greater, but the surface area of the Earth (or the sun) is huge. There are many ways to make solar more efficient than petroleum through infrastructure.
I get it. Solar is not the godsend it is suggested to be by the Climatologists.
I get it. Petroleum is not the devil it is suggested to be by the Climatologists.
That doesn't mean that solar isn't a really great resource to tap, nor does it mean that solar isn't a better resource for actual sustainable (no pollution, basically infinite) energy production. I assert that solar can be both of those things (no pollution, basically infinite).
Its a function of designing systems to take advantage of things. Petroleum is chemical. Release of chemical energy has byproducts (pollution). That is the reality that needs to be dealt with in building infrastructure.
Petroleum is limited. How limited? I don't know, but its more limited than solar for sure.
Solar is basically free. Its there whether we use it or not, and there is a massive amount of it.
Solar is basically infinite. At least for the next few billion years. If we need more, we can put more solar gathering tools (currently called "solar panels") in space and send the energy down to earth.
Solar is basically pollutant free if it is designed to be so (there are no byproducts from the source, not counting the helium produced in the sun which stays there).
Using the sources we have available, solar is superior in all ways except energy density, but battery technology can meet petroleum and potentially pass it, and collecting the energy can be done over a large surface (home roof e.g.) and done indefinitely, producing more than enough than is needed. Its all a matter of infrastructure and a truly free market (which we have never experienced).
It is possible that solar can, at some point, get to the lofty ideals that many of us would love to see.
But that is not today, and that needs to be kept in mind, too.
Solar survives today due to massive subsidies. It is not economically viable on its own, except at very small scale.
Maybe that will change. That would be nice. Until then, we also must defend the efficient resource we have, which is petroleum.
I also used to think that "free energy" was nonsense. But as I learn a little more about Tesla (the man), I wonder if maybe he came up with some brilliant ideas that could be utilized.
What we really need is a free market in energy (free from government interference and conspiracy to push some ideas at the expense of others). We could possibly revolutionize the world within 10-20 years.
I didn't mean we should stop using coal/oil/gas... That was never a concept. Of course we can't transition that easily, and all of the policies designed to transition without the infrastructure are designed to kill us,
It wouldn't take much to get us there, but I agree at the moment, we do not have the infrastructure built. We are very close to having the technology though, and that's just the stuff I know about.
Zero argument from me. I never meant to suggest otherwise.
The idea of "free energy" (a violation of conservation of energy) has no merit as far as I have seen. Having said that, observational data of the expansion of the universe seems to suggest the universe can do it without a care in the world. So who knows? (Though that would really just suggest an external source of energy that can be tapped, still not necessarily a violation of conservation of energy).
But there is a difference between violating conservation of energy, and getting energy from otherwise untapped (and effectively infinite) resources. For example, there is a mountain of evidence that suggests Cold Fusion is real (after nearly a year of studying it intensely, I am convinced it is, incontrovertibly). The amount of energy available there (and energy density) is nearly impossible to comprehend. It has been suppressed technology for at least 30 years.
I first learned about that long before I became "awake" (back around 2010). The amount and quality of the evidence was so great I thought it was hubris and dogma that kept it from being realized by the larger physics community. Now I realize it was the use of the weaponized term "conspiracy theory" and intentional suppression by the PTB. Its tough to have a "Great Reset" when everyone has basically infinite energy.
A truly free market... I don't think it would take that long. There is so much out there already that has been suppressed (especially in biotech). Just the stuff I know about is huge. There are cures for cancer, cures for most disease, CURES (not treatments) in general. There is the Cold Fusion (that I am sure of). There is possibly gravity manipulation (the "UFO" declas stuff may be that). Who knows what else.
What comes next will be the most amazing time to be alive. I am blessed to be here, now, at this time.
I hope I survive to see it.
Solar is a pipe dream, and it's not an "infrastructurally-solvable" set of problems it faces.
Let's put it this way: a cow is solar powered. Each cow needs about 1-1.5 acres of land to convert that solar energy to sustain itself.
Want a real world experiment? Buy one of those cheap android cell phones running a 5inch screen and then replace the battery with a solar panel inverter and then keep it running the entire time the sun is out on a portable solar array of your choice.
The sun puts out a metric boatload of power, but very little of it hits earth. For what does hit earth, we have yet to build anything that can be mass produced to take advantage of more than about 35 percent of that in ideal conditions outside the laboratory (some lab experiments have yields conversions upwards of 80%, but they are not yet commercially practical).
There is no such thing as "fossil fuels."
https://greatawakening.win/p/12kFZBAP0G/
But if you are talking about petroleum, you are spot on.
Abiotic production has as much evidence as fossil-pressure formation. Both are based on processes we can only guess at and cannot reproduce in a lab.
Aside from that: linguistically, fossil fuels is synonymous with petroleum products, even if you consider it imprecise.
But aren’t the processes hypothesized Fischer-Tropsch processes more or less?
Not really. FT processes operate at much lower temperature and pressure thresholds than what would exist deep beneath the earth.
They also generally rely on having some sort of hydrocarbon already present mixed with gases (co or co2), which would be hard to have in abundance within pressurized rock.
Depends on your definition of "pollution". The problem with hydro is that all the good hydro sources are already tapped, and it can lead to significant ecology disruption.
The real clean energy is nuclear fission. We know how to do it, fuel can be reprocessed if you aren't using 1950's light-water tech, and nothing will beat its power-generated-per-acre-of-land ratio.
How are lithium batteries and solar panels constructed? Do you know without doing a search?
If so, what materials should replace lithium and the vinyl acetate used to hold the purified silicon wafers manufactured by robots and baked in electric furnaces powered by fossil fuels? Currently, it takes 2-3 years for a solar panel's energy output to break even on the energy used to manufacture it in the first place, and that's not even factoring in the mining costs for boron and phosphate (or its transformation into phosphorus).
To get gasoline or diesel from crude oil, you need to distill the oil.
To use gas, you need to burn it to burn it.
You can burn pure crude oil for electricity, but the sulfur and other junk pollutes just the same as coal at that rate.
Coal is still better than gas if you take all that into account.
Edit:
The trade off is you can't pump coal. It's cheaper and less polluting because you have to truck coal whereas you can pump oil by pipeline. It's best to have a mix of everything, and why the hell not?
Coal engine automobiles. I love the sound of that, reminds me of my childhood coal engine trains :)
That sounds like running a diesel car with extra steps…
🤣😂
Well the left blob women would die of a heart attack if they had exert more energy than what it takes to shove a BigMac in their mouth and the soy boys lack the muscle capacity.
Silly citizens, Carbon is for the Elites
Meat, too.
Property, also.
And bodily autonomy, and saline shots.
Everyone is a “useless eater” except for the real useless eaters.
Get lucky and/or sell your soul to the devil
Sell your soul to the devil, and get lucky
Kek
These people are stupid
Ooh the Hypocrisy !
Quelle suprise.
Was never about climate
nothing like the green shit vehicles getting <10 mpg equivalent.
Kek. I can't stop giggling at these people.
Love the hypocrisy.
Well, yeah! Cause, "Pixie Dust" won't charge em'...
Even if the headline is just a rumor, it proofs to us that climate change isn't real
10 years ago I was told by someone who worked in the UN building in NYC, "UN is a joke" , I didn't understand why....