Here's a bit of an alternative. I think you can generally tell in a relationship when your words are falling on deaf ears, or they are strongly resisting what you have to say. Pressing any further might close that door permanently. Back off, maintain the relationship (especially if it's family) and let the news do the rest when it comes out.
That's essentially what I've done. It just doesn't seem to me to be the right thing to do to sever important relationships, when a slightly different strategy might preserve options. They'll need you someday...
I argue with people on the internet, not the people in my life. I let my opinion known, but don’t push it.
I try to make sure they know if they ever want the alternative theory, I have it.
That being said, it’s sad and lonely af trying to balance dueling narratives for this long.
I didn't say to argue until you ruin relationships. Brainwashed people tend to press you to conform to their thoughts and actions. After all, the purpose of brainwashing is to get everyone to conform. The most effective way is through fear and the second most effective is through the coercion from your loved ones. In that case the only alternative is to resist.
I've always been fine with agreeing to disagree and leaving it at that. Agreeing with someone's unprovoked lying and coercion, however, in order to appease them is not an option for me. That would make me complicit.
You are absolutley right ... if they are not getting it at the moment dont force it. I see so many people on this site just writing people off if they dont get it .. people have been brainwashed and decieved .. they will need us when eventually they see the truth.
I have already lost three of my closest friends. One told me I was obsessed about this. One said she would rather spend time in the sun than worry about this and the other one and most insulting told me I was trying to gaslight her into talking about religion and politics and she was sorry but needed to end our friendship. I am new to religion so I am no expert but I know God does not want me to be mean or angry at people. I could not let the third one go and I fired back. She ended up apologizing to me. Not that she necessarily believes what I am saying as she is a nurse and believes how she was trained and those fancy medical books she gets her information from. What am I suppose to do with this?
Maybe just a lil distance and patience will work. And if it doesn't you will be more distant from the sting of the pain by having false friends. It is so very hard and more perplexing cause like you I thought I knew several people pretty well. I assumed they loved their country and considered it an honor to be an American.
But maybe just maybe it was me I did not know. Stamina for breadth of intellect, natural curiosity, discernment and love of country are minimums for me. This I know now. The Great Awakening....
Already done and done. Cut off countless relationships of the nut jobs. Luckily my family is based as I was showing them for a very long time all this satanic hellfire propaganda.
The enemy is planning on dividing us based on the vaccination status, and they plan to cause a civil war aroudn the world around the same time they try to pull in the Great Reset, because they will need all the distractions they can get when they are trying to steal every last bit of freedom we own from under us.
No matter what happens we should not fall for this. Its not our job to convince the people to see the truth. Perceived Reality is subjective - for each person its based on not just logical thinking but also emotional perception of the world around them. This is important to realise. You cannot change a persons perceived reality just by using facts and logic for this very reason.
All we can do is to point out "glitches in the matrix" whenever we can. But its up to them whether they want to wake up or not.
We have been able to keep all our extended family on good terms despite being on opposite ends of the spectrum concerning politics and the jab. Unfortunately the radical left side (Oregon) lost a 39 year old mother of 4. The NW Indiana conservative family all got jabbed but we are still family. Fortunately me and my kids and grandkids are not jabbed. We convinced the 12 year old whose mother did childhood jabs to just say NO and avoid the deadly bioweapon and so far his mom is ok with that.. There are little victories here and there but sometimes you just talk family...not politics or medical "crapola". We still love our family...we just agree to disgree, which is how it has always been.
My mom just wrote her brother off last night. Granted, he’s lived in Seattle for at least 30 years and his girlfriend is a kook aid drinking liberal. My mom just shrugged her shoulders and said “fuck him” and that was that. Never worth reasoning with these people and their ways. They are lost and not worth the time and effort.
49 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
I've already told husband to be prepared to lose family that have had the jab. Luckily, my son and his family, my brother and his family-1 and MIL haven't had the jab and don't plan to. My SIL and one niece that I know of had the jabs. We don't talk about it with family that have already had it, no use wasting our time.
Standing strong here. Only family member who has not taken the jab. Wife keeps pushing me and I go over my reasons. She said she has not gotten any of these side effects. I said you have only gotten your second shot a few days ago. See how you fair by the end of the year. She did not like that. So now we are not sleeping together. Tough but will not give in.
Show her the collage of the news outlets from around the world that have independently reported local stories of saline being discovered among batches of vaxx (it was posted here a couple days ago). Tell her you’d be relieved to find out that she got a lucky saline placebo, but that you’re not playing Russian roulette yourself
Here's a bit of an alternative. I think you can generally tell in a relationship when your words are falling on deaf ears, or they are strongly resisting what you have to say. Pressing any further might close that door permanently. Back off, maintain the relationship (especially if it's family) and let the news do the rest when it comes out.
That's essentially what I've done. It just doesn't seem to me to be the right thing to do to sever important relationships, when a slightly different strategy might preserve options. They'll need you someday...
Same here. It's worked. Kept all friends and family.
Unfortunately it makes me sad to be around brainwashed zombies for long. So I've pulled away from everyone.
I argue with people on the internet, not the people in my life. I let my opinion known, but don’t push it. I try to make sure they know if they ever want the alternative theory, I have it. That being said, it’s sad and lonely af trying to balance dueling narratives for this long.
I didn't say to argue until you ruin relationships. Brainwashed people tend to press you to conform to their thoughts and actions. After all, the purpose of brainwashing is to get everyone to conform. The most effective way is through fear and the second most effective is through the coercion from your loved ones. In that case the only alternative is to resist.
I've always been fine with agreeing to disagree and leaving it at that. Agreeing with someone's unprovoked lying and coercion, however, in order to appease them is not an option for me. That would make me complicit.
It's easier than that. I do what I do and they do what they do. I feel no need to get them to listen.
They will learn on their own. Nobody is innocent of the facts now. There are zero excuses.
You are absolutley right ... if they are not getting it at the moment dont force it. I see so many people on this site just writing people off if they dont get it .. people have been brainwashed and decieved .. they will need us when eventually they see the truth.
I have already lost three of my closest friends. One told me I was obsessed about this. One said she would rather spend time in the sun than worry about this and the other one and most insulting told me I was trying to gaslight her into talking about religion and politics and she was sorry but needed to end our friendship. I am new to religion so I am no expert but I know God does not want me to be mean or angry at people. I could not let the third one go and I fired back. She ended up apologizing to me. Not that she necessarily believes what I am saying as she is a nurse and believes how she was trained and those fancy medical books she gets her information from. What am I suppose to do with this?
Maybe just a lil distance and patience will work. And if it doesn't you will be more distant from the sting of the pain by having false friends. It is so very hard and more perplexing cause like you I thought I knew several people pretty well. I assumed they loved their country and considered it an honor to be an American.
But maybe just maybe it was me I did not know. Stamina for breadth of intellect, natural curiosity, discernment and love of country are minimums for me. This I know now. The Great Awakening....
Don't cast your pearls before swine. God.
Already done and done. Cut off countless relationships of the nut jobs. Luckily my family is based as I was showing them for a very long time all this satanic hellfire propaganda.
The enemy is planning on dividing us based on the vaccination status, and they plan to cause a civil war aroudn the world around the same time they try to pull in the Great Reset, because they will need all the distractions they can get when they are trying to steal every last bit of freedom we own from under us.
No matter what happens we should not fall for this. Its not our job to convince the people to see the truth. Perceived Reality is subjective - for each person its based on not just logical thinking but also emotional perception of the world around them. This is important to realise. You cannot change a persons perceived reality just by using facts and logic for this very reason.
All we can do is to point out "glitches in the matrix" whenever we can. But its up to them whether they want to wake up or not.
We have been able to keep all our extended family on good terms despite being on opposite ends of the spectrum concerning politics and the jab. Unfortunately the radical left side (Oregon) lost a 39 year old mother of 4. The NW Indiana conservative family all got jabbed but we are still family. Fortunately me and my kids and grandkids are not jabbed. We convinced the 12 year old whose mother did childhood jabs to just say NO and avoid the deadly bioweapon and so far his mom is ok with that.. There are little victories here and there but sometimes you just talk family...not politics or medical "crapola". We still love our family...we just agree to disgree, which is how it has always been.
My mom just wrote her brother off last night. Granted, he’s lived in Seattle for at least 30 years and his girlfriend is a kook aid drinking liberal. My mom just shrugged her shoulders and said “fuck him” and that was that. Never worth reasoning with these people and their ways. They are lost and not worth the time and effort.
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Luke 12
Not Peace but Division
49 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
I've already told husband to be prepared to lose family that have had the jab. Luckily, my son and his family, my brother and his family-1 and MIL haven't had the jab and don't plan to. My SIL and one niece that I know of had the jabs. We don't talk about it with family that have already had it, no use wasting our time.
I have lost 2 jobs, 2 sisters, and a few friends, the only thing I miss is my goldfish died last week.
lol!
Have we not already all dealt with this over the last 18 momths?
I lost the friends and family in 2016 I am ready
Standing strong here. Only family member who has not taken the jab. Wife keeps pushing me and I go over my reasons. She said she has not gotten any of these side effects. I said you have only gotten your second shot a few days ago. See how you fair by the end of the year. She did not like that. So now we are not sleeping together. Tough but will not give in.
Show her the collage of the news outlets from around the world that have independently reported local stories of saline being discovered among batches of vaxx (it was posted here a couple days ago). Tell her you’d be relieved to find out that she got a lucky saline placebo, but that you’re not playing Russian roulette yourself
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I am grateful to our Creator for removing the ill-minded from my life.
The day I became a believer it was on.
This started with me long ago. I have the circle of friends and family that I want. I don't give a damn about anyone else. Except y'all, of course.
Way ahead of you there lol