If every pede in America decided to not pay their taxes to the IRS this year, what would happen?. Let's play this hypothetical situation out.
Full disclosure - I'm an ancap libertarian, so obviously i want to pay 0 taxes in total. But for now, I'd like to see at least income tax die conceptually in this administration. And given the state of things, i think its time to propose this to my fellow pedes as well.
IRS Staffing
The cabal wants you to believe the IRS is an all powerful enforcer. They know where you live. They know what you owe. They can arrest you if you don't. But is this real, or just fantasy?
The IRS is currently massively understaffed. They lose 5.6k staff every year and have not been able to replace them. They also have a major concern this year that nearly 1/3 of their workforce are retiring by next year.
They also have only 6,500 field agents. Read that again. For some quick stats that's 0.008% of 80m trump supporters, and 0.002% of our total population. If everyone refused to file taxes and refused to pay them, what could they actually do to us?
The Elephant in the Room
Remember the riots in 2020? Remember how the police everywhere were basically powerless against the mob? It is a little known (or rather a little accepted) fact that perceived power of the police can only exist provided the people comply with the law inherently. If you do not comply with a law en masse, there is very little the police can actually do to stop you with large numbers of officers in play.
Given the IRS is the agency responsible to collect taxes, if we all just said "umm no, i aint funding this mess" they have literally no manpower to enforce it. This is the ONLY BENEFIT of America's tax filing system, as it forces the irs to be tracking everyone and everything. And they are terrible at it.
A Word to SME Employers
Imagine how happy your employees would be to hear they are getting an effective bonus equitable to their tax witholdings for the federal government.
Imagine if you said to your emplyees "I am formally engaging in resisting income tax this year by refusing to pay, because of the travesty that is the federal government, so instead you will be receiving a x% bonus in the form of the tax witholdings we would normally take.". Would they say "no you can't do that!" or would they say "oh my god, I'm getting a massive bonus, this guy is amazing!" ?
Refusal to pay - the American tradition
Our country was founded due to unfair taxes from the crown on the colonies. Our nation was also founded without income tax. There are people who have successfully refused to pay for military spending on wars in their tax witholdings. Given the overall ineptitude of the current administration, i say we should refuse to spend anything at all on the government.
Ok but how can I do this safely if we can't get the numbers to resist?
The NWTRCC provides a wealth of info on how to engage in tax resistance. You can pick your methodology to resist based on your own risk aversion. I recommend you look into it. Refusal to pay and refusal to file are both options open to you, if you so desire and are willing to risk one of those 6.5k agents possibly knocking on your door instead of anyone else's.
And just to remind you....
- The IRS is now proposing to tax your potential earnings. If your house goes up in value and you could sell it? Taxed. If your stocks go up? Taxed. Are you going to sit back and pay that?
- Your tax money funded beaglegate.
- Your tax money funded the war on terror.
- Your tax money funded the death of patriots like Seth Rich.
- The IRS unfairly targeted Conservative groups for years under Obama.
- Your tax money helped to fund the clot shots.
- Your tax money funds the mandates.
- Your tax money funds the politicians and the civil servants who want you and me dead ASAP so we can't fight them openly when the DECLAS finally hits.
- Your taxes are the key to their entire empire being able to function.
- Rand Paul said "if we all refuse to take the jab, what could they really do? Arrest all of us?" Well, same question but apply federal taxes to it.
- Companies are sacking people for not getting the shot. That means you'll probably have to file for yourself entirely if you were affected this way.
This is what civil disobedience looks like. We owe the government nothing. The government owes us everything. THEY WORK FOR US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Take back what they owe this year to you instead of letting them steal your hard earned money. Remember, they work for us, and if they don't do a good job, why should you pay them?
No taxation without representation
Yep. I was just thinking another one. The timing couldn't be better
I haven't paid taxes since around 1993.
In the beginning, it's a hard life -- making it so they cannot enforce a lein on your property (because you don't own any) and switching jobs when the inevitable garnishment of wages shows up at your employer and needing to find a new job.
But if you are clever and work hard, you can make it work and eventually prosper.
The lifestyle you will need to live in order to not pay taxes is not compatible with a traditional lifestyle of owning a home, or having a peaceful relationship with your spouse unless they are on the same page.
It's not something you should do unless you think it through seriously. There is a heavy cost to pay in how it will affect your life. You will want to do it out of principle because the money you save from not paying tax will come back and bite you in ways more expensive than if you had just paid it.
This is the case if and only if its done in small scale (eg individual). If its en masse by the millions... Well, with only 6.5k agents and a loss of a third of their staff due to retirement, they wont be able to do jack.
Garnishment letters to employers are automated.
Lein notices to banks are automated.
You won't ever be able to sell your house unless you resolve the lein. You'll be the one hunting down the IRS hoping they give you audience in order to resolve it.
Your employer will take your wages (current taxes, past taxes and penalties) and send them to the IRS without an agent ever giving them a call.
A bank account can be frozen by the IRS. They can just grab money from the account. It's a serious handicap being unable to use the banking system and if someone is going to stop paying taxes, they should have a system in place to work around all the bad things like this that will happen.
There are many serious repercussions to taking this route and people need to understand them, minimize risks and make provisions for inevitable problems before they take this path.
Take your money from the bank and close the account. Cant have a lien if theres no bank account.
If you're self employed as well its a moot point.
If what you said actually worked for the irs, people could never avoid tax, but they do. You do. If the system is actually automatic, you wouldn't need to file.
I get there are repercussions for the individual to do this. But if millions do it, what honestly can happen to us all? They cant enforce what they dont have the manpower to enforce.
As long as someone understands that before they get started, great.
Again, as long as someone understands that before they get started, great.
And many, many don't. Many own property and they get hit with everything they should have paid plus penalties and they're stuck paying it.
I avoid taxes because I'm an expat living abroad and paid by a company that doesn't report to the US/IRS.
Nothing. Assuming you don't have a job and don't own property and have done your due diligence.
I don't mind if people stop paying taxes, in fact I encourage it if they are in a position to do so after researching the bad things that can happen and putting a system in place to minimize risk.
I get your concerns, and yes they are valid.
My only challenge is you (and I) both do this as individuals. The idea of millions doing this has really never been tried. If it is done at scale, it would be comparable to cutting the oxygen supply to the irs and all other agencies.
If this takes off, which i really hope it does, can they act in time to actually enforce the taxes, before they can't pay their staff to do so? At the end of the day its only automated if you are in the system as someone avoiding taxes. Someone has to hit that button, or tick that tickbox.
If the current tax system is still in place 6 months from now, I'm going start calling Q a LARP (though I think Q is real and a drastic change to the system is coming soon).
It all boils down to whether Q is real. If Q is real then I expect life as we know it to be completely turned right-side up before much more time passes. Heck, I'll willingly start paying taxes again if all the corrupt politicians are put in jail along with all the other people who took advantage of pork-belly projects and a new government emerges free of corruption.
I haven't participated in the income tax for about a decade. Work for myself, usually for cash. Try not to take a check.
It is very limiting though, for sure. I just hate to get all mixed up with the bullshit. But due to inheritance in the future I need to get my stuff at least on level ground. It's been worrying me as of late.
I just don't agree with any of the current tax system. We be getting raped non fucking stop.
Think of it this way, inevitably the FED and IRS aren’t going to exist anyway in the new republic. I keep hoping, “Maybe this is the year I won’t have to pay taxes because the IRS won’t exist anymore”. That may very well be this next year, but will it happen before taxes are due in 2022? That’s anyone’s guess at this point with the way things are ramping up. Trump talking about things happening in the fourth quarter (now), leads me to believe things are going to accelerate rapidly in the next couple months. It may very well be the time to refuse to pay taxes and although the IRS may be very understaffed and can’t enforce compliance, hopefully very soon, they won’t exist at all.
Yep.
The lien will just sit there as an encumbrance on the property. Eventually, if you want to transfer the property or sell it, it will be impossible unless you address it by paying it off.
Likely, yes. It depends on the specifics.
This link provides some interesting information: https://gokcecapital.com/allodial-title/
I cant seem to find the desire to file my 2020 taxes. Why fund the very people who are destroying my country ?
I'm sure I'm already on a few lists for being a domestic terrorist....what's the harm in another for tax evasion? FBI, DHS, ATF....and now the IRS! Almost like Pokemon....gotta catch all the alphabet soup agencies!
You're literally funding the USA the Corporation anyway. It's all paying your own destruction
However bad you think the IRS is, you are underestimating how bad it is.
Yet there are only 3000 tax indictments a year. But that is misleadingly high. Tax charges are tacked on to most white collar crimes as it is an easy conviction for the IRS.
There are very very few tax only charges. And if you understand it is taxpayers who put themselves behind bars by making admissions that weren't necessary.
I have few friends who specialize in IRS criminal defense. Business has crashed. There weren't shit for indictments last year.
The IRS works completely by press release. Their focus isn't you, but rather, becuase the rule by fear and intimidation only, they want to make you into a warning for people like you.
But they are truly outgunned. So bad. If the public knew how bad the IRS is, how weak and ineffective and how it works agaisnt itself, we would laugh and all not comply.
Tax Protesting is a Fundamental Right. The courts have lied to us about that of course, but that is what we should expect. The federal government is the most threatening enemy to the American people. .
Interesting point about working by press release. And it is to put fear. I am sick of the fear game.
Amen.
No taxation without representation
Hear, hear!
(Also bravo, well said.)
https://www.paynoincometax.com/federalmafia.htm
This is a wonderful idea.
#NoTaxationWithoutRepresentation.
This congress (mostly) and this administration do not represent America or American values.
Then do the the correct way. Stop identifying as a US citizen i.e. A Washington DC USA INC employee. Check your withholding form 1044, I believe, or 1040.
Step out of the system first.
Unless of course you want to go the path of the guy who refused to pay taxes because the FEd.gov was funding Planned Parenthood. Eventually, he was found to be right.
Precedent established? Game on 🐸
Both require prior research and that is never wasted.
There is a third avenue via LLC within the Unity-States-of-our-World-Corporation. See Lastflagstanding.com / fortheclaimofthelife.com, but this requires more research as it is needed to understand the mechanics of shipping, contracting and the mindset of being a POSTMASTER.
Property owners will lose their properties. I think a class action lawsuit may at least delay this tyrrany. Not good as loss of resources reduces funds for resistance. You will have to back up resistance with firepower as the cabal will send weapons to confiscate property and pick off land owners one by one and kill them in prison. Remember...Boston tea party did lead to war and fatalities. But. If ccp gets stronger they are intent to kill us. They already assisted the murder of our families and friends even if they have not died yet. We have nothing to lose. We go with God.
I know I am late to the party, but I still wanted to throw in my 2 cents. As a libertarian, you will probably enjoy this series of short videos on the strategies the US government uses to tax people in ways that have not been legally authorized: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAkSTXk9sO0FE0cpDo3vWp_MvYV_tYkJO
I'm not paying taxes when we have rigged elections and a usurper in the highest office of the land.
NOPE!
Escrow account
Most important part of this post to remember.
Take back what they owe this year to you instead of letting them steal your hard earned money. Remember, they work for us, and if they don't do a good job, why should you pay them?
if you can be self employed, get no w2 or 1099, theyll never find you without you making horrible decisions
Its a choice both of you should make, and together ideally. It is not something you should undertake if you are not willing to face the risks.
I will not claim that civil disobedience is an action to be taken lightly. It can put your property or your freedom in jeopardy. Look at Jan 6th. Look at that dad who got arrested for calling out the rape of his child in VA to the school board. Look at the parents called domestic terrorists for raising complaints to the school boards. Look at Australia and Canada. These are fearful times, and it takes a strong will to fight back against it.
The problem becomes how long will we wait to act, and how we should act in this situation. If we do nothing to change the society around us, we will just get steamrollered. The more everyday actions become illegal, the less we can do without taking a risk. if nothing is done to stop this madness, refusing to vaccinate your kids could make you lose them to daddy government.
This method is non-violent and it would cause real damage to the regime without a shot fired. If we can cutoff the fiscal feeding of government, we can make a real impact to their capabilities and to their machine of power. The only other options i can see now are too hot to pursue in my opinion.
The choice is yours at the end of the day. We are fighting a war, and war is a scary situation. Our institutions are being weaponised against us. If you want that to stop, defunding them will do it.
I did it for 19 years by being with a woman from another country, and having assets that could be hit in her name and not mine. I cant do that anymore now, and have to face widowhood as a tax refuser in the 🇺🇸. I intend now to make it as difficult for them as possible to collect even a penny.
Also, prepare for the money printer to go even crazier if this takes place. If millions of Americans don’t pay their income tax then inflation will skyrocket even faster. I wish there was a way to withhold property tax from the local school district
http://losthorizons.com
Most people's earnings are not subject to the "income" tax. I don't pay it, because I don't owe it, under the law.
This is the way. It would bring not only the Brandon administration but the entirety of the evil 'elite' to their knees within days. Stop paying your taxes, credit card bills, car notes, mortgages - en masse.
my former neighbor was a manager of a group of people under the IRS. She's smart, christian, hard working, and unjabbed, so naturally they are firing her after many many years. the people that worked under her.... wow.... good luck getting anything down at the IRS without people like her.
Somebody sticky this
They did in the morning.
Yeah
One of your last points covers my case - getting fired in two weeks & not paying taxes again after that until i have representation in government. I really don't care if I wind up homeless, I'll be free.
I'm going to pass on this one. I don't need legal troubles.
guess you wouldnt have joined the continental army either.
Didn't go to the Jan 6th Capitol event, either.
Your choice fren.
We would all be thrown in prison.
Don't think so? The IRS would deputize local police to do it. They'll crush your skull for a $500 bonus. They're not your friend. They're not on your side. They don't care about you. They see you as the enemy. They are not to be trusted.
And they are as powerful as a gnat. If millions say "piss off" not even the police can stop us. Or did you forget how easily the rioters last year took over the nation? Where were the police then? Where were they when BLM first formed?
How quickly we forget the past, and how weak the systems we think govern us really are.
It has to be everyone tho, not a small portion. EVERYONE NEEDS TO DO THIS
Isn't the new infrastructure bill adding 80,000 agents? I have been underpaying for years, but I'm kind of worried about this.
How long does it take to hire 80k people? You can budget for that easily, but actually getting people to work for you takes time. Time is one thing they do not have. They also need to hire that number to just replace who is leaving. If they cant do that quickly enough, then the shell game fails.
The main problem here is the 80k is for the 600 dollar transaction law. They need that extra staff just to keep om yop of the new rules.
Thanks! That makes me feel better.
I say don’t stop paying taxes, rather just delay until we are represented by decertification of the states with provable fraud, full forensic audits in all 50 states, and destruction of all voting machines in all 50 states.
No one will do that though...
Maybe there's a tactful way to do it, like file through a legal entity that withholds our info until conditions are met.
then i guess everyones a pussy and wouldnt have done dick in 1776 either. typical
Look at all the comments above yours and see if you still feel the same.
If devolution is real, this shouldnt affect it.
If they are reliant on the existing systems that are compromised in any case, we'd be boned. The admin could destroy the devolution budget and that would be the end of that.
According to the Law of War, the belligerents can NOT levy taxes on the sovereign citizens. Or annex territory or make a state. These are just a few of the marvelous things they can NOT do, but have tried..
Plus, it is a known thing that income taxes go towards the interest on the debt held by the Fed... So, resistance will kill the Fed..
Interesting how they try all the things they cant do, then fail to do them. Its almost as if there is a doctrine of law preventing those actions🤔 🤔 🤔
All manner of written documents limiting the governments powers are viewed as just a buncha words and do not apply to 'they who protect the greater good'...
The time of retortion is about over, having failed to cause the self elimination from offices held. Belligerents indeed... No time left for you...