When I first saw this drop I went down so many rabbit holes...so much sauce in this post alone....😉
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Btw, the Swastika is a reference to The Ladder in the Sky.
The stars that point us to where we came from, or at least where our God(s) came from. In the view of these folks.
There is a reason why all pyramids point toward the Belt of Orion.
I just did a study on Orion. It and its belt are mentioned repeatedly in the Bible. There is astronomical and textual evidence that Orion represents Jesus as the Grim Reaper and the sword as his scythe (Revelation 14). There are two grim reapers in the Bible though, Jesus takes only the righteous and leaves an angel to torment the wicked. Thus in a sense the pyramids confirm our origin in the belt of Jesus. Jesus also claimed to be the stairway to heaven (John 1 speaking to Nathanael). The swastika used to be a generic peace symbol used by Jews and Christians alike, but I haven't seen it referred to as a ladder but merely as carrying on the taw cross (later tau); so even though the cross functions as a ladder I think that is a merger of two earlier threads of symbolism. Here is an older study on the deeper origins of the use and abuse of the cross as representing a snake on a tree, which is a very different story than the hexagram story.
I think the Swastika was indeed a symbol of Peace. But, really, it was a symbol of Civilization.
If my tribe is smart enough to see the Ladder in the Sky, then that means my tribe is an advanced society. So I greet and meet you in the Peace of knowledge, and hope you will do same.
That is why I think we see the Swastika everywhere.
It is all over Native American symbology, for example. Everyeveryeverywhere.
Please also note that the Reaper uses a scythe, as you point out, and is "Father Time".
Father Time = Cronos. Cronos = Saturn. The symbol for Cronos is Kappa Rho, "KRo(nos)". He is often represented as a Cross, or with the Kappa Rho symbol (astrology).
This is why you see these symbols showing up in "both places". KRonos. KRoss. This is a very old symbol. So... did Catholics subvert the old symbol, or did worshippers of Cronos overtake the nascent Catholic Church? You can do your own research on that. I just got done with one of our "frens" completely losing his shit about this stuff on me yesterday. So... lol... I'm over it. Or DM me. :)
OK, that's interesting and some of it checks out, although I'm very picky about etymology. I did not know that the symbol for Saturn was based on "KP" for Kronos and merged with the extant scythe symbol, but that is backed up by Salmasius. We also know that Christ was represented by the chi-rho "XP" and variations. But cross, from Latin crux, comes from neither of these because C took the place of gamma in Greek, and CR was never used as an abbreviation for cross, and I don't think a theory that velar plosives followed by liquids have general mergence power would hold water.
I see that adding a crossbar to the KP scythe happened much later (same as adding a crossbar to IHC). It's more accurate to say that the devil is always blurring words and mixing etymologies to make the present look more like it's connected to his strands in the past rather than others; but a symbol is what the individual makes of it, and so to the pure all symbols are pure. The history of the dollar sign includes at least eight identifiable strands.
So I'd go with you on the second reaper (whom I identify as Auriga) being possibly Kronos with the scythe for the harvest of grapes. To your other questions, my link pointed out that the Christian cross builds on the proto-Semitic taw and the Nehushtan serpent, which are very old and point back to Genesis 3 as well, so it has an established divine line of symbolism that has never broken; similarly "Christ" (from the Greek word for anointing, Hebrew "Mashiach") is an established title by the time Jesus comes. Kronos, like Uranus and the occasional Greek identification with Chronos, is a corrupted version of the Father, as Zeus is a corrupted version of the Son. The abbreviation XP is much earlier than and not directly related to KP, though the development process is similar. So it could be said that XP (chi cross) and the scythe were both earlier exploitable symbols and KP was an attempt to merge these.
If we take Revelation as accurate 1st-century symbolism it clearly teaches that there are two users of the scythe and these are not merged (as the Grim Reaper symbol today merges them). There is no evidence that the use of XP or cross for one and the use of the scythe for the other were merged by or during the important syncretistic period in the 4th century. It seems that when the merger happened it would involve both your hypotheses, the Catholic segment of the church adopting the pagan scythe as if conquering it, and pagans infiltrating the later church as if worshipping Christ as if the pagan scythe.
It's true that some have trouble with this. Feel free to draw conclusions anywhere, or not, but the broader and more superficial the conclusion, the likelier it is to get challenged and the more superficial the challenge from others is likely to be. The truth of Jesus always has older roots than all rivals, which are always counterfeits.
Wonderful. I will read and re-read. And maybe also DM you. :)
My expertise is not in depth but in breadth. I see connections others might not see, perhaps. I have ranged far, and sometimes this is of use.
So I am always and everywhere reliant on someone with a depth of knowledge on topics like these.
"I see that adding a crossbar to the KP scythe happened much later (same as adding a crossbar to IHC). It's more accurate to say that the devil is always blurring words and mixing etymologies to make the present look more like it's connected to his strands in the past rather than others; but a symbol is what the individual makes of it, and so to the pure all symbols are pure. The history of the dollar sign includes at least eight identifiable strands."
I think I need an entire thread on this one. As I am not sure I agree, but of course am totally open to being wrong.
What are your thoughts on the Caduceus? I am being provocative, as I think there is some crazy stuff in there....
The Catholic Church came directly from the Roman Empire, and is filled with Paganist symbology and such....
So, yeah, your theory makes sense to me....
This Aligns with the Paganism in Christmas....
Easter....
Etc......
Easter: the use of eggs goes back to the Egyptian goddess of fertility/renewal, Ishtar. Perhaps. I do think this is accurate, but also I make allowances that it is not.
"Easter" itself could be a corruption of "Ishtar". Or a corruption of "Eostre" (more likely, it seems to me), the German goddess of light/life/renewal.
Rome = Saturnia.
To your point, the use of evergreen boughs to celebrate the Saturnalia around the December Solstice was the origin of our "Christmas Tree", it seems to me. My guess is they merged that with the Green Man tradition of the Germanic Tribes (The Green Man is, essentially [and simplifying], the God of the Wood).
Indeed even the idea of "Christmas Parties" stems from the Saturnalia,
I was shown that the Swastika is Electrogravitics. (this was so long ago I can not remember all the specifics) Imagine the design as tubes, with a globule of mercury in the center. When the device is spun up the mercury is split evenly down each of the 4 tubes. As it is spun faster it becomes self balanced, like a gyroscope, add to it specially wound electromagnetic coils that the tips filled with mercury pass by. Using magnetic pulses in the coils and the attraction of the mercury you can get this spinning super fast, which creates a magnetic inertia dampening toroidal field. This also makes the device defy Earths gravity. The Swastika might be the design for Earth based Electrogravitics, and needs additions to it for interplanetary travel. If I remember right it is only for Earth, thus why the symbol was shared with Earthlings from ALL areas and tribes and shows up in every culture. This is also why the symbol, and mercury has been vilified. Another PSYOPS to keep humans under the thumb of certain family's.
These folks delight in hiding their truths in plain sight. That is definitely something I have experienced.
I was only yesterday wondering if the swastika shape was a coil shape encoded and simplified. I am interested in non circular wound coils and their effects. Strangely I have found absolutely no references to anything other than toroids or other circle based coil technology (in books) so I could be barking up the wrong tree but it makes some sense to me that a coil that prevented by geometry of the coil one of the poles from expressing would probably have an interesting physical effect. I note research into such things is rarely done nowadays, at universities etc. they have stripped out all heavy power research departments. There are some amazing videos from the 60's showing the kind of kit they used to have for the students to play with. I like to say (as an engineer) nobody even knows what electricity IS. (they have simplified models of understanding, but few people know much about it beyond the maths of basic forms)
Why would mercury be vilified, other than it being toxic to humans? I never took chemistry in school. Also, would a device like that be able to keep balance in something like a large robot while standing upright? I'm not talking about Gundam-sized robots, more like the size of the Power Loader from Aliens.
Or is that where Satan and demons come from?
Just postulating...
Both Enki and Enlil are from the same place.
So, yes. A Demon is just an evil Archon.
Satan is The Big Black. Satan doesn't really come from anywhere. Satan comes from The Nowhere.
In the Beginning, there was Light.
Meaning, A Yin arrived to counter the Yang. As some would say The Urge.
And the King had a Prince. Some would then call the Prince The Demiurge.
This is the Gnostic view of the Universe. Why do I mention it. Because it is both "Christian", and also 100% adherent to all forms of religion that came before. There is a Sky God, and there is a Sky Prince.
Anu and Enlil. Horus and Osiris. Uranus and Zeus.
The Song Remains The Same.
So in this way, and under the "world view" of these ideas, the opposite of Satan is not Jesus. It is God. Light vs Dark. The opposite of Jesus would therefore be something that is not just The Big Black, but is more "Evil, but in this world."
And then we look at Greek mythology. Who is Zeus' counterpart? Well in many ways it was not a god like Zeus, but an older entity that had a different sort of power and status. Prometheus. So too, Lucifer is an angel, or perhaps we could say "Archon", who rebelled against his master (if he is an Archon, his master would be Anu, or Enki/Enlil, the sons who exerted Anu's will on Earth). Lucifer is an Angel. Not a "god". And certainly not GOD (meaning the God, aka YHWH or whatever your name for Him is).
Our history actually tells us our future. And tells us a lot about our present.
If we will but learn it.
Interesting thoughts and connections...
I am Gunga Din.
These are not my ideas. I carry the water.
Yes, the archon that became Satan came from the Creator, but his becoming Satan can truly be said to come from nowhere. He chose to become Satan by breaking his entire "will to be" (what he was created to be), and guessing that some, any, nonexistent thing could be greater than the extant Creator.
I learned recently that "demi-" does not mean "half-" here but "public" as in democracy. The Creator, the Father, is called the Demiurge (Heb. 11:10) and this is an amplification, not a subjugation, of the meaning of the Father's work as Urge (John 4:34). We've done a lot of study in c/Christianity about the difference between gnosticism and Christianity, so I need not elaborate more than to say that all religions have good and evil but true religions do not equate them. The prince of peace and the prince of darkness wield two different scythes for different purposes, life and death. Light and dark are not equals because light can be inapproachable but darkness can only be great.
It is true that Satan the archon sets himself up as the evil Father and anoints many antichrists before a final one to try to serve as Sons. Interesting reading of Prometheus. You are not excessively far from the kingdom of heaven.
My read of "demi-" means "half" or "almost", as in "demitasse". What you are describing here is "demos".
I am a traveler. I see a lot of the night sky on my own.
Prometheus = Loki = Coyote = Lucifer.
And, Jesus told us that he is the Morning Star.
So my interpretation of this is that Jesus is Lucifer.
On a bad day. :)
What I mean is that Satan offered Jesus all of the Earthly powers and possessions. Jesus saw in what Satan was offering his Kingdom, on Earth.
And Jesus rejected it.
But the idea of "a Jesus" living as a Prince of Earth (King, here), would fit exactly with who really runs this planet. Lucifer.