Report them, there is no law in yet they are forcing one on you.
Report them, they are forcing you to take a EUA vaccine. - not legal
Assert your rights, state that you will not comply with this illegal measure, and stand by it. Let them fire you and then sue them.
Exemption: Fill out a religious exemption form and if they deny you, sue them.
Exemption Lie:(least moral option) Go to your PCP for abdominal pain. State that you took Miralax, your tongue started swelling and your face itched and you had a feeling like you were going to die, luckily your neighbor had an epi-pen on him and gave it to you. this was yesterday and now you have stomach pains. They will chart that you are allergic to PEG. PEG is in the covid vaccines, wait as long as you can then fill out a medical exemption since you are allergic to the vaccine.
Get around the law ask HR for the ETS and read it, you will find several exemptions. for example (100 percent remote, 1099 contractors, etc) find an exemption that fits you.
Appeal to your uppers let them know that this is wrong for a variety of reasons and it's highly unethical to do this. Ask them to stop it. Let them know that all injuries are on them since they are enforcing a mandate that doesn't exist federally. Tell them that you are the sole provider for your family, you will take it if they will sign in writing that any injuries occurred directly or indirectly, which can be attributed from or appears to be attributed from the vaccine will be paid for by them and in the event of your death, they will payout 100% of your salary to the family for 50 years.
Scare them Get a lawyer and send them some scary notices of cease and desist on this stuff.
In addition, the OSHA mandate for the moment is in limbo. Copy and pass on to HR.
Litigation Update:
On November 12, 2021, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit granted a motion to stay OSHA's COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard, published on November 5, 2021 (86 Fed. Reg. 61402) ("ETS"). The court ordered that OSHA "take no steps to implement or enforce" the ETS "until further court order." The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit now has jurisdiction over ETS challenges and DOL has filed a motion to lift the stay. While OSHA remains confident in its authority to protect workers in emergencies, OSHA has suspended activities related to the implementation and enforcement of the ETS pending future developments in the litigation. Note that the comment period is separate from the litigation.
I believe what they're stating is ILLEGAL in Florida, per DeSantis. This is from Nov. 19th:
During a special legislative session, Florida just passed a new law banning private employers from mandating COVID-19 vaccines unless several exemptions are offered to employees. The law, signed by the governor yesterday, comes as OSHA’s national emergency temporary standard mandating vaccines is embroiled in legal challenges.
Yep contact your Governor, maybe he can put some pressure on them? Any news channels in your area who might be a bit based? You could send a copy anon like.
Rose, your health information is your property. Them demanding it from you without due process is a violation of your Rights as secured under the 4th and 5th Amendments. Also, unless the person receiving the information is HIPAA certified, with a need to know, this is also a breach of federal law.
Replying to this with your status or intentions is in effect signing a contract. You will be implicitly endorsing their system, and admitting that they have lawful authority over your body. This is how all agencies and organizations steal away our liberties, by getting a signature on a contract that we don't even realize is a contract. The same goes for applying for an exemption -- as a free man, I assert my Rights; I do not ask for them.
Don't respond within their system. You can reply outside of the system if you like. Just stand on your Rights.
My status deadline came and went on Friday. I haven't heard one word yet. That may have something to do with the Common Law battle I have launched against them. You can get the latest status on that in Part 5 of my serial, which is also the most fun part because I finally got around to sticking the CEO and all his agents with a personal liability of $100,000 per day, per person for each violation.
It's work, but it's not too late to start the process. And it's a very strong place to be fighting from, because you are in the right.
Just don’t stop fighting! Get everything in writing and make them fire you (with the exact reason listed). You can’t provide for your family, or sue big pharma, if you get jabbed/die so you know that’s not an option. You can however SUE the shit out of them for any action against you if you stay strong, patient and weather their bullshit. They can’t COERCE you in any way for an experimental treatment/preventative. WWG1WGA
If I were in your shoes, I’d say nothing until they hand you a termination notice. At that time, is when you can make your decision. I think they are bluffing.
I can’t take that option cause I got a whole family to care for. We will be in the streets without me.
When I was fired I took the opportunity to start my own business. Although I had almost no savings, I made money from week one (repair/maintenance) and never looked back. All I had to do initially was to dump unnecessary subscriptions (TV etc.) and mailshot local companies. Maybe I was lucky in having existing skills but I'm convinced that anyone could do it.
Oh, and while I was working I took photos of all documents that might be useful to me. It saved me from having to buy some expensive books.
The way things are looking right now. I’m not so sure. I have decided to send in a religious exemption. But really feeling like all they want to do is profile people who aren’t vaccinated at my job. 2 other people are also not getting the jab. But the rest of the employees are already vaxxed. I’m definitely not getting it. And just hoping this shit ends or the apocalypse begins, because I’m just exhausted with this BS.
A federal judge ruled that the pfizer shot is not the same as comirnaty and is therefore considered a EUA vaccine, which means it's experimental. So they can't force you to take an experimental vaccine. If they fire you they are liable. You should submit an exemption to start and you should reference that legal ruling somewhere in your paperwork, that gets the legal process started during which you shouldn't be fired. Then you have the new Florida law that another poster has already noted on this thread. You should also copy and send that to HR along with your exemption. Get to work, it'll take a couple of hours, good luck.
Respond to this email to ALL and post a meeting time in the lunch room or some other place to discuss the topic.
My friend said they did this and got together to find out 80% of them did not want to take it. So, the group informed management HR they were not going to get the shot and were all prepared to walk. Management soon after backed down. This was a company of more than 100 employees.
The most important thing is to immediately start communicating with everyone and discussing options.
Also, the Mandate for companies with 100 employees or more was BLOCKED by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
On November 12, a three-judge panel on the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals PERMANENTLY blocked Biden’s OSHA rule, which tried to force compulsory jabs on all companies with 100 employees or more.
Second, as I understand it, the stay that was issued means that the OSHA mandate cannot be enforced. If the employer goes ahead with the mandate, all liabilities fall to them. They cannot hide behind the government's "mandate". Any and all injuries and after effects are the financial responsibility of the employer. Let them chew on that for a while.
Not only is there a court order stating that no further action can be made on the implementation or enforcement, but OSHA themselves issued a statement saying it’s not to be implemented or enforced.
Quit. They will find other means to push this. They have shown their desire, if that isn't for you remaining only allows their confusion that you might eventually consent which will encourage them to continue with their desire.
So do you all wear masks at work currently ? I hate to comply, ( I was fired for not complying) But it sounds like you can tell them you will not be vaxed and just wear a mask?
Yes, we have to wear masks still. Because my jobs owners are French. It is a huge company I work for. They make 500k daily in sales. They get their information on how to proceed from France, but verify with the US.
The newly passed Florida law states if an employer mandates the vaccine, several exemptions must be offered to the employees. I'd refer your employer to the law, and ask how do you submit your exemption.
Yes, I’m doing just this. Colleagues at work aren’t many because I live in district 27, freaking Democratic district of hell. But hoping to band together with the few that aren’t vaccinated.
List of what you can do:
thats all i can think of
^THIS!^ updoot updoot updoot—- DO NOT QUIT- FIGHT!FIGHT!FIGHT!
In addition, the OSHA mandate for the moment is in limbo. Copy and pass on to HR.
OSHA - Emergency Temporary Standard
Isn’t the federal mandate stayed by a federal judge in Louisiana?
Or am I mixing up things?
yeah, it even states this in their letter to him.
I believe what they're stating is ILLEGAL in Florida, per DeSantis. This is from Nov. 19th:
During a special legislative session, Florida just passed a new law banning private employers from mandating COVID-19 vaccines unless several exemptions are offered to employees. The law, signed by the governor yesterday, comes as OSHA’s national emergency temporary standard mandating vaccines is embroiled in legal challenges.
Link to the story: https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/florida-passes-legislation-banning-8576269/
Yep contact your Governor, maybe he can put some pressure on them? Any news channels in your area who might be a bit based? You could send a copy anon like.
Rose, your health information is your property. Them demanding it from you without due process is a violation of your Rights as secured under the 4th and 5th Amendments. Also, unless the person receiving the information is HIPAA certified, with a need to know, this is also a breach of federal law.
Replying to this with your status or intentions is in effect signing a contract. You will be implicitly endorsing their system, and admitting that they have lawful authority over your body. This is how all agencies and organizations steal away our liberties, by getting a signature on a contract that we don't even realize is a contract. The same goes for applying for an exemption -- as a free man, I assert my Rights; I do not ask for them.
Don't respond within their system. You can reply outside of the system if you like. Just stand on your Rights.
My status deadline came and went on Friday. I haven't heard one word yet. That may have something to do with the Common Law battle I have launched against them. You can get the latest status on that in Part 5 of my serial, which is also the most fun part because I finally got around to sticking the CEO and all his agents with a personal liability of $100,000 per day, per person for each violation.
It's work, but it's not too late to start the process. And it's a very strong place to be fighting from, because you are in the right.
No. Just do not answer. OR what? Make them fire you for not answering. I believe the courts will agree that it is private medical information.
I can’t take that option cause I got a whole family to care for. We will be in the streets without me.
I will do this. I’m going to get all the forms for the exemptions and if they fire me, then I’ll sue their asses!
Thank you guys again! I needed to know my options. I’ve been working too much and have been outside the loop.
Talk to like minded people in the company as well. Make some noise.
Just don’t stop fighting! Get everything in writing and make them fire you (with the exact reason listed). You can’t provide for your family, or sue big pharma, if you get jabbed/die so you know that’s not an option. You can however SUE the shit out of them for any action against you if you stay strong, patient and weather their bullshit. They can’t COERCE you in any way for an experimental treatment/preventative. WWG1WGA
If I were in your shoes, I’d say nothing until they hand you a termination notice. At that time, is when you can make your decision. I think they are bluffing.
When I was fired I took the opportunity to start my own business. Although I had almost no savings, I made money from week one (repair/maintenance) and never looked back. All I had to do initially was to dump unnecessary subscriptions (TV etc.) and mailshot local companies. Maybe I was lucky in having existing skills but I'm convinced that anyone could do it.
Oh, and while I was working I took photos of all documents that might be useful to me. It saved me from having to buy some expensive books.
I would be looking for a new job ASAP
Do you have the skills to explore options? Work for a smaller, more local outfit?
The way things are looking right now. I’m not so sure. I have decided to send in a religious exemption. But really feeling like all they want to do is profile people who aren’t vaccinated at my job. 2 other people are also not getting the jab. But the rest of the employees are already vaxxed. I’m definitely not getting it. And just hoping this shit ends or the apocalypse begins, because I’m just exhausted with this BS.
A federal judge ruled that the pfizer shot is not the same as comirnaty and is therefore considered a EUA vaccine, which means it's experimental. So they can't force you to take an experimental vaccine. If they fire you they are liable. You should submit an exemption to start and you should reference that legal ruling somewhere in your paperwork, that gets the legal process started during which you shouldn't be fired. Then you have the new Florida law that another poster has already noted on this thread. You should also copy and send that to HR along with your exemption. Get to work, it'll take a couple of hours, good luck.
Respond to this email to ALL and post a meeting time in the lunch room or some other place to discuss the topic.
My friend said they did this and got together to find out 80% of them did not want to take it. So, the group informed management HR they were not going to get the shot and were all prepared to walk. Management soon after backed down. This was a company of more than 100 employees.
The most important thing is to immediately start communicating with everyone and discussing options.
Also, the Mandate for companies with 100 employees or more was BLOCKED by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
On November 12, a three-judge panel on the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals PERMANENTLY blocked Biden’s OSHA rule, which tried to force compulsory jabs on all companies with 100 employees or more.
If you’re a Floridian report it to the state. State law does not allow for employers to enforce a mandate.
First, if the end comes, make them fire you.
Second, as I understand it, the stay that was issued means that the OSHA mandate cannot be enforced. If the employer goes ahead with the mandate, all liabilities fall to them. They cannot hide behind the government's "mandate". Any and all injuries and after effects are the financial responsibility of the employer. Let them chew on that for a while.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1466086119502753792
Not only is there a court order stating that no further action can be made on the implementation or enforcement, but OSHA themselves issued a statement saying it’s not to be implemented or enforced.
Do NOT quit.
Quit. They will find other means to push this. They have shown their desire, if that isn't for you remaining only allows their confusion that you might eventually consent which will encourage them to continue with their desire.
So do you all wear masks at work currently ? I hate to comply, ( I was fired for not complying) But it sounds like you can tell them you will not be vaxed and just wear a mask?
Yes, we have to wear masks still. Because my jobs owners are French. It is a huge company I work for. They make 500k daily in sales. They get their information on how to proceed from France, but verify with the US.
My job, no mask, no vaxx.
Fuck Dior. Find another job.
I wish my boss would send me a written-out illegal demand. I'd just say no thanks. Let them wrongfully fire me. ???. Profit.
😅😂 I wish I could send this. Haha!
The newly passed Florida law states if an employer mandates the vaccine, several exemptions must be offered to the employees. I'd refer your employer to the law, and ask how do you submit your exemption.
OMG. Thank you so much. This is like the best organized information I have seen. You are God sent!! Thank you!
Yes, I’m doing just this. Colleagues at work aren’t many because I live in district 27, freaking Democratic district of hell. But hoping to band together with the few that aren’t vaccinated.