Anyone who believes they know the truth is incapable of hearing (/seeing/listening to/entertaining) any evidence that runs contrary to their beliefs. We live in the Matrix. Nothing is what it seems to be. Keep your eyes open or risk remaining in The Matrix.
You're shilling for one of the most corrupt entities in the history of mankind.
Never call me a shill. I don't shill. I look at evidence, debate evidence, show evidence. Just because I don't believe what you believe doesn't make me a shill, it only makes me a person who doesn't believe your beliefs.
Albert Pike described in detail how the Freemasons would be an integral part of the NWO.
Even if that were true (which it isn't exactly true) and even if I believed Albert Pike completely (which I don't), it still wouldn't mean that all Freemasons are the enemy. It would only mean that the organization itself would be used to bring about the NWO (which I agree there is substantial evidence to support such a claim). There is also substantial evidence that there are Freemason factions. Why would one ignore that evidence just to proclaim some definitive (i.e. "All Freemasons are Evil because I have seen evidence that some Freemasons are Evil").
Anyone who defends the freemasons or is one, is a traitor.
You may now proceed to Go Fuck Yourself.
I am a seeker of the Truth, nothing more and nothing less. Even if I am a terrible one (I have no idea what the Truth is), that doesn't make me anything more or less than that. Your idea of what I must be because I don't share your beliefs is irrelevant to me. You can keep your beliefs on what I must be to yourself, as I will keep my opinions on what you are to myself (believe me, that is for the best).
I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
You're all triggered because more than likely you are one of the traitors yourself. Freemasons are shit stains on society, always were and always will be.
I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
Actually I'm not doing that at all. This is what I said:
The idea that Freemasons are the enemy is not as clear as people want it to be.
I said that them, being the enemy, "is not as clear as people want it to be."
I never said there was no evidence of any particular Freemason being an enemy, or that the Freemason organization itself wasn't implicated in fuckery, nor are either of those ideas implicit in my statement. I never even said that the organization wasn't at the root of the DS operations (though I do not think they are "the root", but there is substantial evidence that they are a big part of it).
Learn to read before jumping on your favorite conclusion lest you get it completely wrong.
You're way behind, kid. Way behind.
Ad hominem attacks only serve to prevent debate and investigations into the Truth. Until you learn that, you will never be helpful in that endeavor.
I’m with you homie. Truth seeker first and foremost. Most ppl here should know that definitives like “ALL” are rarely correct.- and pointing that fact out does make one a shill. Simply put, the majority of masons are just enthusiastic normie patriots (esp the older ones) who still watch faux and like hannity. Now just a slight clarification like: “all, HIGH-level, ‘connected’ masons are shady at best, traitors at worst,” would make a world of difference, and I think you may be more inclined to agree with a similar sentiment. Ppl on this board are far to quick to yell shill and glowie (while reeeeeeing just as hard as lefty who acts like they have all the answers); hubris is an enemy of vigilance, and if there’s one thing we need more of now, it’s vigilance.
Most ppl here should know that definitives like “ALL” are rarely correct
“all, HIGH-level, ‘connected’ masons are shady at best, traitors at worst,” would make a world of difference, and I think you may be more inclined to agree with a similar sentiment
These are at odds with each other.
I also do not agree. I think there may be factions within the Masons at the top level, at least I have seen a fair bit of evidence that supports that idea. That is why I made a clear statement of who I think the real enemy is:
The enemy are the people that want us to not recognize our sovereignty; that want us to believe that we are not free, that want us to remain within The Matrix.
Period.
and
Everyone working against that, no matter their association or even what they have done [in the past] is not our enemy.
Bolded for emphasis and added "in the past" for clarification.
hubris is an enemy of vigilance, and if there’s one thing we need more of now, it’s vigilance.
We all suffer from this. And while its not exactly what you said, vigilance against our own hubris is the hardest thing imo, or at least it is for me.
I appreciate your reply, I see too much on here about how freemasons are evil. I have a great grandpa on one side of family who is Scottish rights order Freemason. And a grandpa other side of family who is a freemason. And to me! Ioved them both! Then I read on here, how they are horrible evil people. No, they were not.
What do you mean by "truths"? I said there was evidence that not all freemasons are clearly our enemy. That has nothing to do with Truth itself, it is simply what we use to investigate the Truth.
As evidence, pretty much everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which make implicit statements of individual sovereignty (an important part of what we are fighting for) were Freemasons.
There is substantial evidence that Trump is a freemason. There is substantial evidence that virtually all of the people in charge of everything going back forever have been freemasons, not all of them are clearly our enemies. For example, there is evidence that JFK was a Rosecrucian, or even a freemason (even if those groups pretend to be at odds, there is evidence that suggests they are the same organization). His entire family was deep in that group. It would be ludicrous to think he just happened to not be and was also made President by election fuckery (see Chicago election fraud). Was JFK clearly our enemy? Who knows, maybe he was, or maybe he was an insider that fought for us, or ???
All these people that we think are on our side are almost certainly insiders. You pretty much have to be an insider to completely understand what is going on sufficient to take down such an entrenched enemy. Such a group of "insiders" would be a "faction."
Imagine that you are a "mover and a shaker." You can't get there without becoming part of "the club." There are probably different levels of the club, but once a part of the club, as you move up higher and higher, you can learn a fair bit about the whole affair. You play along, doing minimal harm simply because you recognize "that's just the way the world works." Such a person would likely jump at the chance to destroy the organization from within if offered that opportunity.
Maybe on the other hand you don't do minimal harm, but go full Satan because you don't see that there is any other way to have the level of success, be the person you want to be, external to the evil.
And then what if you see that there is another path. Like above, say that hypothetical faction shows you that you can fight the Evil from within. You might use your status to take them apart, to destroy them; recognizing your own evil deeds, but trying to do what you can to bring freedom back to the world.
One huge thing people forget in their need to hate and need to categorize is, these evil people are people. People are complicated. Things are not always what they seem. People change. Some people change a lot when presented with evidence, such as my hypothetical "change of heart" when one super high up and evil sees that there is another way, a way to destroy the evil that they never liked, but embraced as the only way to be on the path of success they wanted to be on.
These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. I have had many other thoughts on this subject (and/or seen evidence) that I am not thinking of right now.
If I join a secret society who's higher members are known to be DS leaders and I spread their infleunce and power via membership, costs and work which appears to be wholesome and good for society, yet designed to shield the filth the higher ups partake in, I'm contributing.
Understand what a "secret society" is before you go on and defend them. I wrote you're way behind because you are, it's not an insult. You're just behind.
Hate to break it to you pal, but Slyver is right here.
There is A LOT more to occult studies that is not understood by the lot of us.
Christianity itself is filled with occult knowledge and references.
The word simply means "hidden".
It's all knowledge, systems of science, philosophy, and spirituality. Just because some choose to use said tools for evil does not make said tools or subjects inherently evil.
Guarantee you that there are "good" freemasons, "good" occultic christians, etc. There's a real lightside/darkside thing going on here and there's not one simple answer, as many would like to believe.
Guarantee you that there are "good" freemasons, "good" occultic christians
Agreed. I began researching the occult world and realized there are some based occultists. Some routinely call on angels and demons to attack pedophiles. There's definitely spiritual warfare taking place.
Yep, from what I've read/heard the original free masons weren't evil. But they were infiltrated somewhere around the 1600s/1700s can't remember at this point. But even though the infiltrating sect is the one that took over and dominated the masonic movement. I wouldn't be surprised that there would be some different surviving factions within.
So mason symbolism in satanic hollywood entertainment is what? It's in ever pop culture music video from the black and white tiled floors to the "as above, so below" imagery etc.
It's right in your face and people have spent years researching it.
Normal Americans joining is just their way of shielding themselves from the corruption they partake in. In fact, normal people joining is the reason why they get away with it.
Jimmy and Thomas conduct charity events on the weekends, both are freemasons.
Their "Worshipful Master" is partakes in corruption within the locale the lodge is based in. The communities image of the Masons is represented by Jimmy and Thomas because that's what the higher ups want while they secretly spread filth.
If lower Masons did not exist, the higher ups would be exposed.
That's exactly what I've written lmao. Literally that. How it used to be a good thing. This isn't a bunch argument either. There are masons who hold charity events on weekends. Are they bad? No. But guys like Albert Pike or Prince Philip, a man who sits at the top or close to the top of the pyramid, yea.
Not all cops are bad. Many are. Unfortunately, it's the ones at the top and in Freemasonry, you'll find no honest, non satanists at the top. Unless that is, pedos like Philip and his sons are part of the same Lodge as honest Joe-6-Pack
Seems to me Q is implying that like all agencies a small but powerful element has infiltrated and corrupted.
Q seems to imply that like the other agencies the BAD should not outweigh the GOOD. Much of the knowledge has been flipped and mirrored by these sinister components.
I'm starting to think that a lot of these people who cling to these old adages are glowies
It's entirely possible, but at the same time, people do tend to believe they know the Truth. We have been trained to believe that we can know the truth by The Matrix. If we can know the truth, then others can also know the truth. If others can know the truth then we can trust what others have to say. If we trust what others have to say, then we can be easily led around by the nose, and the Matrix is self containing, easily keeping everyone in the box.
We are trained to be this way, so it is not necessarily a good idea to think that those following that training are our enemies. It is rather more likely that they are just not yet sufficiently awake.
Nevertheless, that behavior is also exactly what COINTELPRO is, so who knows.
Anyone who believes they know the truth is incapable of hearing (/seeing/listening to/entertaining) any evidence that runs contrary to their beliefs. We live in the Matrix. Nothing is what it seems to be. Keep your eyes open or risk remaining in The Matrix.
Never call me a shill. I don't shill. I look at evidence, debate evidence, show evidence. Just because I don't believe what you believe doesn't make me a shill, it only makes me a person who doesn't believe your beliefs.
Even if that were true (which it isn't exactly true) and even if I believed Albert Pike completely (which I don't), it still wouldn't mean that all Freemasons are the enemy. It would only mean that the organization itself would be used to bring about the NWO (which I agree there is substantial evidence to support such a claim). There is also substantial evidence that there are Freemason factions. Why would one ignore that evidence just to proclaim some definitive (i.e. "All Freemasons are Evil because I have seen evidence that some Freemasons are Evil").
You may now proceed to Go Fuck Yourself.
I am a seeker of the Truth, nothing more and nothing less. Even if I am a terrible one (I have no idea what the Truth is), that doesn't make me anything more or less than that. Your idea of what I must be because I don't share your beliefs is irrelevant to me. You can keep your beliefs on what I must be to yourself, as I will keep my opinions on what you are to myself (believe me, that is for the best).
I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
You're all triggered because more than likely you are one of the traitors yourself. Freemasons are shit stains on society, always were and always will be.
You're way behind, kid. Way behind.
Actually I'm not doing that at all. This is what I said:
I said that them, being the enemy, "is not as clear as people want it to be."
I never said there was no evidence of any particular Freemason being an enemy, or that the Freemason organization itself wasn't implicated in fuckery, nor are either of those ideas implicit in my statement. I never even said that the organization wasn't at the root of the DS operations (though I do not think they are "the root", but there is substantial evidence that they are a big part of it).
Learn to read before jumping on your favorite conclusion lest you get it completely wrong.
Ad hominem attacks only serve to prevent debate and investigations into the Truth. Until you learn that, you will never be helpful in that endeavor.
I’m with you homie. Truth seeker first and foremost. Most ppl here should know that definitives like “ALL” are rarely correct.- and pointing that fact out does make one a shill. Simply put, the majority of masons are just enthusiastic normie patriots (esp the older ones) who still watch faux and like hannity. Now just a slight clarification like: “all, HIGH-level, ‘connected’ masons are shady at best, traitors at worst,” would make a world of difference, and I think you may be more inclined to agree with a similar sentiment. Ppl on this board are far to quick to yell shill and glowie (while reeeeeeing just as hard as lefty who acts like they have all the answers); hubris is an enemy of vigilance, and if there’s one thing we need more of now, it’s vigilance.
These are at odds with each other.
I also do not agree. I think there may be factions within the Masons at the top level, at least I have seen a fair bit of evidence that supports that idea. That is why I made a clear statement of who I think the real enemy is:
Period.
and
Bolded for emphasis and added "in the past" for clarification.
We all suffer from this. And while its not exactly what you said, vigilance against our own hubris is the hardest thing imo, or at least it is for me.
I appreciate your reply, I see too much on here about how freemasons are evil. I have a great grandpa on one side of family who is Scottish rights order Freemason. And a grandpa other side of family who is a freemason. And to me! Ioved them both! Then I read on here, how they are horrible evil people. No, they were not.
They were fine people. Stop on by some evening and you could probably hear some interesting stories from guys they knew.
So what truths have you found in support of the freemasons?
What do you mean by "truths"? I said there was evidence that not all freemasons are clearly our enemy. That has nothing to do with Truth itself, it is simply what we use to investigate the Truth.
As evidence, pretty much everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which make implicit statements of individual sovereignty (an important part of what we are fighting for) were Freemasons.
There is substantial evidence that Trump is a freemason. There is substantial evidence that virtually all of the people in charge of everything going back forever have been freemasons, not all of them are clearly our enemies. For example, there is evidence that JFK was a Rosecrucian, or even a freemason (even if those groups pretend to be at odds, there is evidence that suggests they are the same organization). His entire family was deep in that group. It would be ludicrous to think he just happened to not be and was also made President by election fuckery (see Chicago election fraud). Was JFK clearly our enemy? Who knows, maybe he was, or maybe he was an insider that fought for us, or ???
All these people that we think are on our side are almost certainly insiders. You pretty much have to be an insider to completely understand what is going on sufficient to take down such an entrenched enemy. Such a group of "insiders" would be a "faction."
Imagine that you are a "mover and a shaker." You can't get there without becoming part of "the club." There are probably different levels of the club, but once a part of the club, as you move up higher and higher, you can learn a fair bit about the whole affair. You play along, doing minimal harm simply because you recognize "that's just the way the world works." Such a person would likely jump at the chance to destroy the organization from within if offered that opportunity.
Maybe on the other hand you don't do minimal harm, but go full Satan because you don't see that there is any other way to have the level of success, be the person you want to be, external to the evil.
And then what if you see that there is another path. Like above, say that hypothetical faction shows you that you can fight the Evil from within. You might use your status to take them apart, to destroy them; recognizing your own evil deeds, but trying to do what you can to bring freedom back to the world.
One huge thing people forget in their need to hate and need to categorize is, these evil people are people. People are complicated. Things are not always what they seem. People change. Some people change a lot when presented with evidence, such as my hypothetical "change of heart" when one super high up and evil sees that there is another way, a way to destroy the evil that they never liked, but embraced as the only way to be on the path of success they wanted to be on.
These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. I have had many other thoughts on this subject (and/or seen evidence) that I am not thinking of right now.
If I join a secret society who's higher members are known to be DS leaders and I spread their infleunce and power via membership, costs and work which appears to be wholesome and good for society, yet designed to shield the filth the higher ups partake in, I'm contributing.
Understand what a "secret society" is before you go on and defend them. I wrote you're way behind because you are, it's not an insult. You're just behind.
Your world is very simple.
I envy your ability to pretend.
Hate to break it to you pal, but Slyver is right here.
There is A LOT more to occult studies that is not understood by the lot of us.
Christianity itself is filled with occult knowledge and references.
The word simply means "hidden".
It's all knowledge, systems of science, philosophy, and spirituality. Just because some choose to use said tools for evil does not make said tools or subjects inherently evil.
Guarantee you that there are "good" freemasons, "good" occultic christians, etc. There's a real lightside/darkside thing going on here and there's not one simple answer, as many would like to believe.
Agreed. I began researching the occult world and realized there are some based occultists. Some routinely call on angels and demons to attack pedophiles. There's definitely spiritual warfare taking place.
Yes
A lot of it is about having a deeper understanding of the forces we are dealing with, most of them spiritual.
Yep, from what I've read/heard the original free masons weren't evil. But they were infiltrated somewhere around the 1600s/1700s can't remember at this point. But even though the infiltrating sect is the one that took over and dominated the masonic movement. I wouldn't be surprised that there would be some different surviving factions within.
So mason symbolism in satanic hollywood entertainment is what? It's in ever pop culture music video from the black and white tiled floors to the "as above, so below" imagery etc.
It's right in your face and people have spent years researching it.
It's used for evil... But you recoi the spell.
But you can't pretend like Christian pastors or priests don't manipulate or use the words of Christ towards evil ends. It's the same concept.
Christianity is a fucking sham and these "truthers" are so MK'd into it that they refuse to even consider the blatant bullshit.
The proverbial blind leading the blind
Normal Americans can join it. If they were all bad, we would’ve known by now.
Normal Americans joining is just their way of shielding themselves from the corruption they partake in. In fact, normal people joining is the reason why they get away with it.
Jimmy and Thomas conduct charity events on the weekends, both are freemasons.
Their "Worshipful Master" is partakes in corruption within the locale the lodge is based in. The communities image of the Masons is represented by Jimmy and Thomas because that's what the higher ups want while they secretly spread filth.
If lower Masons did not exist, the higher ups would be exposed.
Jimmy and tom both probably served there term as wm already.its a whopping seven hours a month but blather on ignorantly
So tell me, I see your stance in Freemasonry.
What about Q?
When I see a post like yours contradicting what I know Q has stated directly, it catches my attention.
1632 - Jun 28, 2018 8:04:44 PM EDT
“Make Freemasonry Great Again.
The Clowns infiltrated it and have been abusing it's hierarchy for far too long.” -1947578
Most all powerful organizations have sinister components.
With power comes corruption.
Like alphabet agencies, not all are bad apples.
Should the bad spoil the bunch? Q
That's exactly what I've written lmao. Literally that. How it used to be a good thing. This isn't a bunch argument either. There are masons who hold charity events on weekends. Are they bad? No. But guys like Albert Pike or Prince Philip, a man who sits at the top or close to the top of the pyramid, yea.
Not all cops are bad. Many are. Unfortunately, it's the ones at the top and in Freemasonry, you'll find no honest, non satanists at the top. Unless that is, pedos like Philip and his sons are part of the same Lodge as honest Joe-6-Pack
Seems to me Q is implying that like all agencies a small but powerful element has infiltrated and corrupted.
Q seems to imply that like the other agencies the BAD should not outweigh the GOOD. Much of the knowledge has been flipped and mirrored by these sinister components.
But ask Q asks, should the BAD spoil the BUNCH?
It's entirely possible, but at the same time, people do tend to believe they know the Truth. We have been trained to believe that we can know the truth by The Matrix. If we can know the truth, then others can also know the truth. If others can know the truth then we can trust what others have to say. If we trust what others have to say, then we can be easily led around by the nose, and the Matrix is self containing, easily keeping everyone in the box.
We are trained to be this way, so it is not necessarily a good idea to think that those following that training are our enemies. It is rather more likely that they are just not yet sufficiently awake.
Nevertheless, that behavior is also exactly what COINTELPRO is, so who knows.
Keep your eyes open, always. :)
Masons are a nice fraternity that does nice things and eat a lot of spaghetti.