I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
You're all triggered because more than likely you are one of the traitors yourself. Freemasons are shit stains on society, always were and always will be.
I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
Actually I'm not doing that at all. This is what I said:
The idea that Freemasons are the enemy is not as clear as people want it to be.
I said that them, being the enemy, "is not as clear as people want it to be."
I never said there was no evidence of any particular Freemason being an enemy, or that the Freemason organization itself wasn't implicated in fuckery, nor are either of those ideas implicit in my statement. I never even said that the organization wasn't at the root of the DS operations (though I do not think they are "the root", but there is substantial evidence that they are a big part of it).
Learn to read before jumping on your favorite conclusion lest you get it completely wrong.
You're way behind, kid. Way behind.
Ad hominem attacks only serve to prevent debate and investigations into the Truth. Until you learn that, you will never be helpful in that endeavor.
I’m with you homie. Truth seeker first and foremost. Most ppl here should know that definitives like “ALL” are rarely correct.- and pointing that fact out does make one a shill. Simply put, the majority of masons are just enthusiastic normie patriots (esp the older ones) who still watch faux and like hannity. Now just a slight clarification like: “all, HIGH-level, ‘connected’ masons are shady at best, traitors at worst,” would make a world of difference, and I think you may be more inclined to agree with a similar sentiment. Ppl on this board are far to quick to yell shill and glowie (while reeeeeeing just as hard as lefty who acts like they have all the answers); hubris is an enemy of vigilance, and if there’s one thing we need more of now, it’s vigilance.
Most ppl here should know that definitives like “ALL” are rarely correct
“all, HIGH-level, ‘connected’ masons are shady at best, traitors at worst,” would make a world of difference, and I think you may be more inclined to agree with a similar sentiment
These are at odds with each other.
I also do not agree. I think there may be factions within the Masons at the top level, at least I have seen a fair bit of evidence that supports that idea. That is why I made a clear statement of who I think the real enemy is:
The enemy are the people that want us to not recognize our sovereignty; that want us to believe that we are not free, that want us to remain within The Matrix.
Period.
and
Everyone working against that, no matter their association or even what they have done [in the past] is not our enemy.
Bolded for emphasis and added "in the past" for clarification.
hubris is an enemy of vigilance, and if there’s one thing we need more of now, it’s vigilance.
We all suffer from this. And while its not exactly what you said, vigilance against our own hubris is the hardest thing imo, or at least it is for me.
Yes my point about the definitives wasn’t worded well (trying to point out that even a little bit of specification can go a long ways, even if the claim is still somewhat broad- and that if ppl have made it here, then one would think those same ppl are aware of some of the traps they should attempt to avoid- but as my bumbling ass has now proven, that’s easier said than done.) Not trying to put words in your mouth; my apologies. Your definition of our enemy and the true issue at hand is about as succinct and accurate as it gets (honestly should make it it’s own post just to get it to the front of the board). And that is precisely what I meant about our hubris and vigilance; it’s the hardest part for myself as well. Thank you for the effort and thought you put into your replies; it’s always nice to meet another based Patriot
I appreciate your reply, I see too much on here about how freemasons are evil. I have a great grandpa on one side of family who is Scottish rights order Freemason. And a grandpa other side of family who is a freemason. And to me! Ioved them both! Then I read on here, how they are horrible evil people. No, they were not.
What do you mean by "truths"? I said there was evidence that not all freemasons are clearly our enemy. That has nothing to do with Truth itself, it is simply what we use to investigate the Truth.
As evidence, pretty much everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which make implicit statements of individual sovereignty (an important part of what we are fighting for) were Freemasons.
There is substantial evidence that Trump is a freemason. There is substantial evidence that virtually all of the people in charge of everything going back forever have been freemasons, not all of them are clearly our enemies. For example, there is evidence that JFK was a Rosecrucian, or even a freemason (even if those groups pretend to be at odds, there is evidence that suggests they are the same organization). His entire family was deep in that group. It would be ludicrous to think he just happened to not be and was also made President by election fuckery (see Chicago election fraud). Was JFK clearly our enemy? Who knows, maybe he was, or maybe he was an insider that fought for us, or ???
All these people that we think are on our side are almost certainly insiders. You pretty much have to be an insider to completely understand what is going on sufficient to take down such an entrenched enemy. Such a group of "insiders" would be a "faction."
Imagine that you are a "mover and a shaker." You can't get there without becoming part of "the club." There are probably different levels of the club, but once a part of the club, as you move up higher and higher, you can learn a fair bit about the whole affair. You play along, doing minimal harm simply because you recognize "that's just the way the world works." Such a person would likely jump at the chance to destroy the organization from within if offered that opportunity.
Maybe on the other hand you don't do minimal harm, but go full Satan because you don't see that there is any other way to have the level of success, be the person you want to be, external to the evil.
And then what if you see that there is another path. Like above, say that hypothetical faction shows you that you can fight the Evil from within. You might use your status to take them apart, to destroy them; recognizing your own evil deeds, but trying to do what you can to bring freedom back to the world.
One huge thing people forget in their need to hate and need to categorize is, these evil people are people. People are complicated. Things are not always what they seem. People change. Some people change a lot when presented with evidence, such as my hypothetical "change of heart" when one super high up and evil sees that there is another way, a way to destroy the evil that they never liked, but embraced as the only way to be on the path of success they wanted to be on.
These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. I have had many other thoughts on this subject (and/or seen evidence) that I am not thinking of right now.
Many of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons including George Washington and Ben Franklin, so I would think that there is maybe more to this than all Freemasons are bad.
Saying that the organization is 100% bad is like saying the US Government is 100% bad - it's just not true, there is a lot of that the government does that is in fact necessary and beneficial, plus many many good people, despite the DS and the many corrupt politicians in power.
If I join a secret society who's higher members are known to be DS leaders and I spread their infleunce and power via membership, costs and work which appears to be wholesome and good for society, yet designed to shield the filth the higher ups partake in, I'm contributing.
Understand what a "secret society" is before you go on and defend them. I wrote you're way behind because you are, it's not an insult. You're just behind.
You're right, it is simple. You conflate the work and intention of lower members with what the true purpose of masonry is. Doctors who spread covid bullshit who don't know otherwise are not inherently evil, but they are contributing to a system of corruption led by those above them.
There is no difference here. Here is the reality of the situation that is different from the doctor example above.
IF Mason membership was not offered to normies on the ground, not in a million years could they hide what they do at the top. They purposely allow normies in to cover up their filth.
Hate to break it to you pal, but Slyver is right here.
There is A LOT more to occult studies that is not understood by the lot of us.
Christianity itself is filled with occult knowledge and references.
The word simply means "hidden".
It's all knowledge, systems of science, philosophy, and spirituality. Just because some choose to use said tools for evil does not make said tools or subjects inherently evil.
Guarantee you that there are "good" freemasons, "good" occultic christians, etc. There's a real lightside/darkside thing going on here and there's not one simple answer, as many would like to believe.
Guarantee you that there are "good" freemasons, "good" occultic christians
Agreed. I began researching the occult world and realized there are some based occultists. Some routinely call on angels and demons to attack pedophiles. There's definitely spiritual warfare taking place.
Yep, from what I've read/heard the original free masons weren't evil. But they were infiltrated somewhere around the 1600s/1700s can't remember at this point. But even though the infiltrating sect is the one that took over and dominated the masonic movement. I wouldn't be surprised that there would be some different surviving factions within.
So mason symbolism in satanic hollywood entertainment is what? It's in ever pop culture music video from the black and white tiled floors to the "as above, so below" imagery etc.
It's right in your face and people have spent years researching it.
Normal Americans joining is just their way of shielding themselves from the corruption they partake in. In fact, normal people joining is the reason why they get away with it.
Jimmy and Thomas conduct charity events on the weekends, both are freemasons.
Their "Worshipful Master" is partakes in corruption within the locale the lodge is based in. The communities image of the Masons is represented by Jimmy and Thomas because that's what the higher ups want while they secretly spread filth.
If lower Masons did not exist, the higher ups would be exposed.
That's exactly what I've written lmao. Literally that. How it used to be a good thing. This isn't a bunch argument either. There are masons who hold charity events on weekends. Are they bad? No. But guys like Albert Pike or Prince Philip, a man who sits at the top or close to the top of the pyramid, yea.
Not all cops are bad. Many are. Unfortunately, it's the ones at the top and in Freemasonry, you'll find no honest, non satanists at the top. Unless that is, pedos like Philip and his sons are part of the same Lodge as honest Joe-6-Pack
Seems to me Q is implying that like all agencies a small but powerful element has infiltrated and corrupted.
Q seems to imply that like the other agencies the BAD should not outweigh the GOOD. Much of the knowledge has been flipped and mirrored by these sinister components.
I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
You're all triggered because more than likely you are one of the traitors yourself. Freemasons are shit stains on society, always were and always will be.
You're way behind, kid. Way behind.
Actually I'm not doing that at all. This is what I said:
I said that them, being the enemy, "is not as clear as people want it to be."
I never said there was no evidence of any particular Freemason being an enemy, or that the Freemason organization itself wasn't implicated in fuckery, nor are either of those ideas implicit in my statement. I never even said that the organization wasn't at the root of the DS operations (though I do not think they are "the root", but there is substantial evidence that they are a big part of it).
Learn to read before jumping on your favorite conclusion lest you get it completely wrong.
Ad hominem attacks only serve to prevent debate and investigations into the Truth. Until you learn that, you will never be helpful in that endeavor.
I’m with you homie. Truth seeker first and foremost. Most ppl here should know that definitives like “ALL” are rarely correct.- and pointing that fact out does make one a shill. Simply put, the majority of masons are just enthusiastic normie patriots (esp the older ones) who still watch faux and like hannity. Now just a slight clarification like: “all, HIGH-level, ‘connected’ masons are shady at best, traitors at worst,” would make a world of difference, and I think you may be more inclined to agree with a similar sentiment. Ppl on this board are far to quick to yell shill and glowie (while reeeeeeing just as hard as lefty who acts like they have all the answers); hubris is an enemy of vigilance, and if there’s one thing we need more of now, it’s vigilance.
These are at odds with each other.
I also do not agree. I think there may be factions within the Masons at the top level, at least I have seen a fair bit of evidence that supports that idea. That is why I made a clear statement of who I think the real enemy is:
Period.
and
Bolded for emphasis and added "in the past" for clarification.
We all suffer from this. And while its not exactly what you said, vigilance against our own hubris is the hardest thing imo, or at least it is for me.
Yes my point about the definitives wasn’t worded well (trying to point out that even a little bit of specification can go a long ways, even if the claim is still somewhat broad- and that if ppl have made it here, then one would think those same ppl are aware of some of the traps they should attempt to avoid- but as my bumbling ass has now proven, that’s easier said than done.) Not trying to put words in your mouth; my apologies. Your definition of our enemy and the true issue at hand is about as succinct and accurate as it gets (honestly should make it it’s own post just to get it to the front of the board). And that is precisely what I meant about our hubris and vigilance; it’s the hardest part for myself as well. Thank you for the effort and thought you put into your replies; it’s always nice to meet another based Patriot
I appreciate your reply, I see too much on here about how freemasons are evil. I have a great grandpa on one side of family who is Scottish rights order Freemason. And a grandpa other side of family who is a freemason. And to me! Ioved them both! Then I read on here, how they are horrible evil people. No, they were not.
They were fine people. Stop on by some evening and you could probably hear some interesting stories from guys they knew.
So what truths have you found in support of the freemasons?
What do you mean by "truths"? I said there was evidence that not all freemasons are clearly our enemy. That has nothing to do with Truth itself, it is simply what we use to investigate the Truth.
As evidence, pretty much everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which make implicit statements of individual sovereignty (an important part of what we are fighting for) were Freemasons.
There is substantial evidence that Trump is a freemason. There is substantial evidence that virtually all of the people in charge of everything going back forever have been freemasons, not all of them are clearly our enemies. For example, there is evidence that JFK was a Rosecrucian, or even a freemason (even if those groups pretend to be at odds, there is evidence that suggests they are the same organization). His entire family was deep in that group. It would be ludicrous to think he just happened to not be and was also made President by election fuckery (see Chicago election fraud). Was JFK clearly our enemy? Who knows, maybe he was, or maybe he was an insider that fought for us, or ???
All these people that we think are on our side are almost certainly insiders. You pretty much have to be an insider to completely understand what is going on sufficient to take down such an entrenched enemy. Such a group of "insiders" would be a "faction."
Imagine that you are a "mover and a shaker." You can't get there without becoming part of "the club." There are probably different levels of the club, but once a part of the club, as you move up higher and higher, you can learn a fair bit about the whole affair. You play along, doing minimal harm simply because you recognize "that's just the way the world works." Such a person would likely jump at the chance to destroy the organization from within if offered that opportunity.
Maybe on the other hand you don't do minimal harm, but go full Satan because you don't see that there is any other way to have the level of success, be the person you want to be, external to the evil.
And then what if you see that there is another path. Like above, say that hypothetical faction shows you that you can fight the Evil from within. You might use your status to take them apart, to destroy them; recognizing your own evil deeds, but trying to do what you can to bring freedom back to the world.
One huge thing people forget in their need to hate and need to categorize is, these evil people are people. People are complicated. Things are not always what they seem. People change. Some people change a lot when presented with evidence, such as my hypothetical "change of heart" when one super high up and evil sees that there is another way, a way to destroy the evil that they never liked, but embraced as the only way to be on the path of success they wanted to be on.
These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. I have had many other thoughts on this subject (and/or seen evidence) that I am not thinking of right now.
Many of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons including George Washington and Ben Franklin, so I would think that there is maybe more to this than all Freemasons are bad.
Saying that the organization is 100% bad is like saying the US Government is 100% bad - it's just not true, there is a lot of that the government does that is in fact necessary and beneficial, plus many many good people, despite the DS and the many corrupt politicians in power.
Where
He'd make a fine shriner
If I join a secret society who's higher members are known to be DS leaders and I spread their infleunce and power via membership, costs and work which appears to be wholesome and good for society, yet designed to shield the filth the higher ups partake in, I'm contributing.
Understand what a "secret society" is before you go on and defend them. I wrote you're way behind because you are, it's not an insult. You're just behind.
Your world is very simple.
I envy your ability to pretend.
You're right, it is simple. You conflate the work and intention of lower members with what the true purpose of masonry is. Doctors who spread covid bullshit who don't know otherwise are not inherently evil, but they are contributing to a system of corruption led by those above them.
There is no difference here. Here is the reality of the situation that is different from the doctor example above.
IF Mason membership was not offered to normies on the ground, not in a million years could they hide what they do at the top. They purposely allow normies in to cover up their filth.
It's as simple as that.
Hate to break it to you pal, but Slyver is right here.
There is A LOT more to occult studies that is not understood by the lot of us.
Christianity itself is filled with occult knowledge and references.
The word simply means "hidden".
It's all knowledge, systems of science, philosophy, and spirituality. Just because some choose to use said tools for evil does not make said tools or subjects inherently evil.
Guarantee you that there are "good" freemasons, "good" occultic christians, etc. There's a real lightside/darkside thing going on here and there's not one simple answer, as many would like to believe.
Agreed. I began researching the occult world and realized there are some based occultists. Some routinely call on angels and demons to attack pedophiles. There's definitely spiritual warfare taking place.
Yes
A lot of it is about having a deeper understanding of the forces we are dealing with, most of them spiritual.
Yep, from what I've read/heard the original free masons weren't evil. But they were infiltrated somewhere around the 1600s/1700s can't remember at this point. But even though the infiltrating sect is the one that took over and dominated the masonic movement. I wouldn't be surprised that there would be some different surviving factions within.
So mason symbolism in satanic hollywood entertainment is what? It's in ever pop culture music video from the black and white tiled floors to the "as above, so below" imagery etc.
It's right in your face and people have spent years researching it.
It's used for evil... But you recoi the spell.
But you can't pretend like Christian pastors or priests don't manipulate or use the words of Christ towards evil ends. It's the same concept.
Christianity is a fucking sham and these "truthers" are so MK'd into it that they refuse to even consider the blatant bullshit.
The proverbial blind leading the blind
Normal Americans can join it. If they were all bad, we would’ve known by now.
Normal Americans joining is just their way of shielding themselves from the corruption they partake in. In fact, normal people joining is the reason why they get away with it.
Jimmy and Thomas conduct charity events on the weekends, both are freemasons.
Their "Worshipful Master" is partakes in corruption within the locale the lodge is based in. The communities image of the Masons is represented by Jimmy and Thomas because that's what the higher ups want while they secretly spread filth.
If lower Masons did not exist, the higher ups would be exposed.
Jimmy and tom both probably served there term as wm already.its a whopping seven hours a month but blather on ignorantly
It's not blathering because you're grade school comprehension skills struggle.
So tell me, I see your stance in Freemasonry.
What about Q?
When I see a post like yours contradicting what I know Q has stated directly, it catches my attention.
1632 - Jun 28, 2018 8:04:44 PM EDT
“Make Freemasonry Great Again.
The Clowns infiltrated it and have been abusing it's hierarchy for far too long.” -1947578
Most all powerful organizations have sinister components.
With power comes corruption.
Like alphabet agencies, not all are bad apples.
Should the bad spoil the bunch? Q
That's exactly what I've written lmao. Literally that. How it used to be a good thing. This isn't a bunch argument either. There are masons who hold charity events on weekends. Are they bad? No. But guys like Albert Pike or Prince Philip, a man who sits at the top or close to the top of the pyramid, yea.
Not all cops are bad. Many are. Unfortunately, it's the ones at the top and in Freemasonry, you'll find no honest, non satanists at the top. Unless that is, pedos like Philip and his sons are part of the same Lodge as honest Joe-6-Pack
Seems to me Q is implying that like all agencies a small but powerful element has infiltrated and corrupted.
Q seems to imply that like the other agencies the BAD should not outweigh the GOOD. Much of the knowledge has been flipped and mirrored by these sinister components.
But ask Q asks, should the BAD spoil the BUNCH?
What is a bunch? Who are these people who are good? The ground normies who run bowling events?
Who's the bunch? Cause it's run by guys like Prince Philip and royals all over the world.