Hey guys I posted the other day about my dad being extremely sick. We are still in the hospital and I’ve been able to be with his this entire time as he was testing negative. They have tested him FOUR times. Only tested for the flu once. Why are they testing so much? To get what they want?? Well today, they got what they wanted and it came back positive. Up until this point they have been treating him for bacterial infection and have said he’s improving. I asked if their new “treatment plan” included remdisivir and they said yes. I immediately told them absolutely not, we are declining treatment. They are giving steroids but I’m freaking out. If I leave this room, I am not allowed to come back now thought I’ve been allowed to come and go freely for 4 days.
HELP. I don’t know what to do. Do I take him out of here?? He’s still receiving antibiotics which have helped and he needs but I am NOT playing these Covid games. If a patient tests negative 3 times, (4 if you count the missing test) WHY ARE YOU STILL TESTING???? What do I do?? He needs oxygen and antibiotics.
Sidenote: Steroid given was decadron. Any info on this would be good too
If he’s stable, you can sign him out AMA (against medical advice). ***they still have to give you scripts for medications and they still have to set up home oxygen, even if you sign out AMA.
Thank you for this info! I’m not aware of their procedures so this enlightens me especially if I make that call here soon.
No worries, you are there protecting him from being bamboozled into taking a toxic experimental drug (Remdesivir) - the hospital makes a lot of money off of giving that drug. Sometimes patients are safer at home. You must stand up to these docs. Tell them you are refusing and you want them to set up home care with oxygen at home and you want all needed scripts (his steroid and antibiotics). Make your decision today ! Come the weekend most will tell you that case-managers aren’t around to set up home oxygen. It’s all politics. Stand your ground.
This is probably why they kept giving him Covid tests until one came up positive.
Positive Covid test means they get extra money for the hospital stay.
Put him on vent/Remdesivir (justified by Covid test), even more money.
I think I shocked the doctor today when I asked if this new treatment they want to try include remdesivir. As soon as he said yes, I said NOPE. He said “may I ask why?” My dad said “because we’ve heard about it”. I have this community to thank for that. If I hadn’t known to ask that, they could’ve just done it. I feel bad for people who don’t know to ask.
Hospital gets, iirc, a 20% bonus on the ENTIRE BILL if remdesivir is prescribed
Be aware that hydrogen peroxide nebulizing can be done at home. It's not oxygen treatment, but it is a treatment both for covid and for pneumonia. Can be used in conjunction with oxygen. Obviously use your discretion based on his condition. But you've heard all the stories about the hospital killing machine (search "bounty" on GA to find them). The system has no heart, only an endlessly needy wallet.
Here's an earlier post about nebulizing, with resources in the text and lots of value-add commentary. post: https://communities.win/c/GreatAwakening/p/140cbVkN65/when-vitamins-and-ivm-dont-seem-/c
Yes!!!I did the nebulizing with hydrogen peroxide and sterile saline when I had bad Covid and pneumonia a month ago. I also had several of my friends doing it who were also down with Covid, and we all found that it was extremely helpful. There is a book on Amazon called “Rapid Virus Recovery” by Thomas Levy that is extremely informative about nebulizing with peroxide. It’s quite safe and extremely effective. You can use a mask to breathe it up through your nose to kill virus in the sinuses and then it goes down into your lungs and is very helpful for the virus and bacteria down there. This therapy is yet another thing they have kept from us for a long time because it’s inexpensive and effective. I’m not saying it will cure your Covid, but it really helped me a lot, along with taking the usual vitamins, Benadryl, Pepcid, ivermectin, etc. * Editing to add- I was also adding two drops of Lugol’s iodine to my peroxide/ sterile saline solution.
Thanks!
I’m glad you brought this up bc this is the latest issue. They have had him use a nebulizer since he was admitted. Now all of the sudden since he is “positive” they will no longer allow him to use a nebulizer. Only an inhaler because a nebulizer “puts Covid in the air”. We are in a room with a vent system through the freaking window and they won’t treat him. What the actual fuck.
Have them put him in a negative pressure room and he can get nebs in that said room. There is also a special filter the hospital has to administer Neb treatments in a standard hospital room.
^^ this ^^… that special filter is called a ‘viral filtration filter’ that they put onto the nebulizer and it can be used in a standard room.
Thank you!
I authored that post. I also did an earlier one about archiving, because after the treatment saved my life, the doctor who recommended it along with a bunch of testimonial videos from his grateful patients, got a cease and desist letter and the info was scrubbed off the internet. The resources listed on that page are the only ones I know about, when previously I had a few dozen to refer people to. The stuff works, and it's dirt cheap even compared to a serving of jello and a napkin from the hospital. I didn't have pneumonia, but I had very bad covid, and it brought me back.
I also have a cousin who took his wife to the hospital with covid and trouble breathing. She was there about 7 days without a visit allowed from her husband or kids. She made it out alive, even with remdesivir, but she didn't enjoy the experience at all, and witnessed a number of people in the same ward who left, but to the morgue instead of going back home. I don't know what to tell you other than his chances are probably better off at home. I know that if I expected to die, it'd be more pleasant at home than in an iso ward. Obviously your situation is unique, you know your dad better than anyone here, and you're there. Pray, and do all you can. I'll send my prayers your way, too.
Thank you for this. I’m calling his primary physician first thing tomorrow morning to have him review and potentially prescribe medication for home treatment. He’s been a good doc so far through all of “Covid” for his patient so I’m counting on him to come through for my dad.
Went through the same when my husband was in the hospital. They would not give him the nebulizer for the same reason. We both had "moronic", he tested positive, I didn't test. He was not in for covid but for some weird stuff that showed up in his blood work earlier that day and they thought his gallbladder was inflamed. The attending physician for that floor never once saw him.
It BLEW my mind when they started to refuse the nebulizer AFTER testing positive. If Covid is so serious, why are you declining breathing treatments?? I was told it puts “Covid in the air”. If he’s positive, it’s already in the air.
If you nebulize with Albuterol (which is typical).... it doesn't do a thing for Covid.
The hydrogen peroxide & saline solution works well, in my opinion.
Thanks!
Good info from Dr. Mercola on nebulizing peroxide : https://www.ezekieldiet.com/dr-mercola-discusses-hydrogen-peroxide-nebulization/
Thanks!
Personally, I would contact Frontline Doctors for advice on how to treat, and I would take him out.
If he "got Covid" while in the hospital, then someone at the hospital must have "given it to him" (using their false logic, not reality). So, that could be an exuse, if you need one. "Hey, he came in here without Covid, and now he has it because you guys gave it to him." Whatever it takes to get him out.
Legally, they cannot imprison him against his will (or your will, if you have legal authority for his care). That would be wrongful imprisonment, which is a felony (use it, if needed).
As far as treatment, he doesn't have Covid because that is just a made-up fantasy. If he is sick, what are the symptoms (I did not see your other thread)?
If he needs oxygen, he has probably been unhealthy for a long time. Give him whatever he needs to get through it, but also get him to undo his unhealthy habits.
Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are said to do wonders for a lot of people, with a lot of conditions (but I don't know what his situation is). You should have done plenty of research by now, I assume. What do you think he should be doing?
Frontline Doctors might be able to give you some good guidance.
His symptoms are elevated white blood cell count (indicative of bacterial infection), trouble breathing, high sugar counts, fever (which is improving), high heart rate and cough. He has pneumonia, that’s a fact. But until now, they’ve said it’s bacterial and have been doing scans all over his body to find a source. They even ran a respiratory panel to check for other rhino viruses and NOTHING.
Based on what I know, my want is to take him out of here when he is stable and call frontline as well as his primary care doctor who seems to be based, and get him ivermectin and more antibiotics/steroids. But his antibiotics are in the IV right now and I think that’s really helping him get stronger. Before all of this Covid bullshit, they told him this morning he needed to get up and start walking while they decrease his oxygen supply so he can get home.
I'm not a doc.
Most "mainstream" doctors have been taught that this means something. So, they think it means something.
I don't.
Want to drop your white blood count? Fast for 3 days. University of Southern California proved that fasting drops WBC.
I don't believe that, either. We have more bacteria in our bodies than we have cells. They are there for a reason. I do not believe they are harmful to us. I believe that researchers have mistakenly seen bacteria in the blood of sick people and belived that the bacteria caused the harm.
In reality, the bacteria are there as a response to a toxic condition (probably due to poor diet, as much as anything). The bacteria are there to help clean up the mess. They did not cause it. Just like firemen at a fire does not mean they started the fire.
Obviously, this is a serious problem. Pneumonia and trouble breathing go hand in hand. The question is: What has caused the lung problem? Lung disease? Smoker? Diabetic? Obese?
Also diabetic and obese, right? Poor lifestyle choices lead to poor health conditions.
If this is the case (I am assuming here), get him OFF ALL CARBS. The hospital will push carbs on him, and docs will say it doesn't matter.
Again, I disagree.
They won't find a source, because they are basing everything they do on "Germ Theory," which is a false beginning point.
Right, because they are working from a false premise.
Ivermectin, probably good. Antibiotics, probably bad. I know you said he was doing better with them, but he could be doing better for a variety of reasons.
Antibiotic = Anti-Life. That's what it means. If all bacteria are good (there for a reason), then killing them is bad.
What else are they giving him -- IV or pills? Maybe even less harmful food? I dunno. But antibiotics might not be so good, at least in the long run. Again, I am not a doc, and giving you my opinion based on a lot of reading and researching this stuff.
Sounds strange. If walking was all it took to increase oxygen, then why would anyone have to go on a ventilator?
What I would want to do might be very difficult to get him to do (it would have been difficult to get my own dad to do, so I know you can only do so much).
But I would ...
That would get the WBC down. It would get the blood sugar down. It would likely allow for the fluid in the lungs to clear up, and the body to heal.
I have written threads on here about my own experiences when I got a cold/flu/Covid/whatever.
I used to deal with it and suffer for 2-3 weeks. But the last 2 times, I fasted as soon as I felt a sore throat, and was over it in 2-3 days max.
I am convinced that the body can do a lot of healing on its own, if we will get the hell out of the way. But I will not say it can heal everything without medical intervention.
I just don't see his condition (as I understand it here) to be something that conventional medicine is likely to heal. They are starting from a false premise, and that will likely lead to dead ends, as far as healing.
What they offer might work, but definitely get other opinions, and try my advice for yourself for a few days, and see if you notice any changes yourself. If you do, it might make it easier for Dad to try it, too.
Meat, eggs, cheese, distilled water. Nothing else. ONE meal per day. Eat nothing the rest of the day. Distilled water, if thirsty. Try to go without any water, if possible during that time. Sunshine. Exercise. Rest/sleep. Maybe some horse paste and HCQ.
That's what I would do.
Dad needs to change his lifestyle -- permanently.
Good luck.
Sounds like he doesn’t have Covid, he has a bacterial pneumonia. Definitely no remi. See if they will stop the decadron and start him on solumedrol 125 mg daily. Antibiotics and oxygen for sure. AMA is fine, but just make sure they set up the home oxygen and give you the scripts for antibiotics and prednisone.
Yes your impulse to remove him AMA or against medical advice is sound, and I work in health care myself. Simply tell them to get the AMA ready to sign, you are leaving, then go. They typically simply hand you the form and you leave. Then once home start Ivermectin from any source. ANY source, including Amazon, and use the Zelenko protocols. They will discharge him with his antibiotics and steroids. He can recover from home just fine and he'll likely be happier.
Will his insurance deny payment if he leaves AMA?
No. They will still pay for the days he was there.
Great
I cannot contribute anything more here, than good thoughts and good energy. They are here for you, in abundance. Blessings.
Simple, hospitals get paid bonuses (basically) for Covid diagnosis.
We argued this today with the doctor in a heated conversation. At this point, the decision I need to make is if I take him out of here in his condition or let them continue to give the antibiotics/steroids and watch their every move.
If a doc argues with you huge red flag. Get out of there pronto with Dad.
If you stay, do not leave him alone. Get him to walk as much as possible too. If you leave, I can send you some good homeopathic remedies that helped me with the pneumonia. There are some doctors and nurses on here, you can usually tell by the advice. Don’t check him out unless they are sending you with scripts and oxygen
EDIT: get him on some NAC immediately. It helps the lungs expel the mucus. Can get from Walmart delivery
Oh I’m watching everything they do while we’re here. Calling his Primary doc tomorrow to see about home treatment and get a second opinion. His vitals are looking really good tonight so let’s just keep hoping for improvement. I’ll look into the NAC for sure. Thank you
See if you can get oxygen at home or if there is a different hospital you can transfer to. When I had my baby they wanted to test officially every day but they asked every two or three hours. I had so say no a few times before I left. Hospitals have gone to crap.
If he tested negative that many times for that many days, and then positive, then it got it FROM THERE. If they give you any trouble about taking him out of there, threaten to sue them for giving him covid. Looks like you've gotten some good advice from people in the know. Good luck and keep us posted, please.
I agree completely.
Can you get Ivermectin or HCQ? If not, get him on NAC + Zelenko protocol and white pine needle tea ASAP. You may want to try calling/emailing AFLDS to see if they can get you the HCQ and/or IVM.
DO NOT LET THEM GIVE YOUR DAD REMDESIVIR. It is a death sentence.
My thought is O2 is likely not strictly necessary if his blood sats are good. Do you know his pulse ox? It's the clip on his finger reading his O2 sat. If it is high nineties he'll be fine with HCQ/Ivermectin/zinc/Vit D/Vit C/quercetin in loading doses.
Earlier it was holding steady at 96 with 1 liter of oxygen. He’s up and walking without oxygen and coughing up mucus
I say earlier because he’s no longer hooked up where I can see so idk what it is at the moment
That’s STaBLE as fck, get him out of there !!!!
I recommend, but I am not a lawyer, that you ask to sign another consent form declining remdesivir, ventilation and sign and with a witness. Ask for a copy of what you signed. Obtain a marker and paper and place a sign above your father’s bed clearly stating no remdesivir and ventilation. Find out if you can take him home with oxygen and a visiting nurse for IV Antibiotics. Ask them why they are relying on a test that has been proven to be unreliable, especially after negative 4 times, now they believe the 5th because it is positive?
Great advice, I for sure will do this even if I have to hand write it on a napkin. I’m watching everything they do but I would like it in writing.
please let us know how things go.
Take them out of there. Get at home oxygen, and everything else they’re giving him you can get from a regular doctor. Make sure you have your ivermectin and hydroxy Clore Quinn.
Try this out! Good Stuff
I'm praying for all of you, fren. Stay strong -- you're doing a great job advocating for your father! Be sure to keep us updated.
Take him out immediately and get ivermectin!
If they keep on testing over and over then odds are that a false positive will return. They want the positive result because there will money.
I would get him out of there, get a script for the antibiotics etc and get some horse paste and zinc.
get him out of there! Contact AFLD and get him some ivermectin.