Love this! When I tell friends, who are teachers, that school is just a battle of who can memorize the best and there's no life application, they stand dumbfounded and don't know what to say. I did not fit in at school, my mother always told me she would receive calls home in 3rd grade that I was sleeping in class lol I have no idea how I graduated, I slept through nearly 10 years.
I began day-dreaming the minute I got into first grade, and continued for the next twelve years. I still got decent enough grades to graduate, but I was never really "there". School was numbingly boring.
I went to high school about three weeks. I'm a drop out. But I could read well, so I read books on what I wanted to do. Believe it or not art of the deal was one of those books. Took a college course for QuickBooks so I could do accounting for my business. I now own two businesses (not big). Got my good enough diploma (GED) at one point, thought I'd do trade school but got a good job before I pulled the trigger. We need to be taught the basics and how to learn!
Im a drop out success story too. There's a lot of bullshit the world dumps on people for going that route, but something you learn quicker in the outside world vs in school that its "who you know, and not what you know".
"We need to be taught the basics and how to learn!"
This is the biggest catastrophe when it comes to public schools. The entire concept of self-education is lost on them (mostly by design, but I also think there's some arrogance mixed in there in that many of these radical leftist teachers truly believe people cannot learn on their own ... there always has to be some kind of master/apprentice paradigm involved ... ridiculous bullshit if you ask me).
Public education only focuses on the college bound. A class, in normal times, would have about 25% of its students heading to a university after high skrewl. This leaves 75% either going to a college they don't really want to attend, feeling like they're failures since they have no desire to go to college after 13 years of having it pounded into your head that its either college or a life of suffering, or they basically check out when they step foot in school since they're not wired to sit in a classroom 6 or 7 hours a day learning garbage they'll NEVER use in life.
It's fucking maddening. Public education as it is structured today is a total waste of the best learning years of one's life. You'd think people would wise up when they realize that they need an additional 2-4 years of training in something after spending the past 13 years of their life sitting in a school.
K-6 are the only grades where a one size fits all approach to education makes sense ... by the time a kid is ~ 12 years old, you'll have a far better idea of the kid's strengths and weaknesses as well as their interests. The current system basically throws them into classes that are a total waste of the kid's time as they enter 7th grade.
What these fucking schools need to do (assuming they actually care about their futures, which they don't) is start letting kids 'explore' things that are geared more towards what interests them if a traditional academic environment is not the way their brain works. Just as an example, some people get SCREWED having to suffer through two years worth of algebra when a better solution is to have them learn math from more of an application standpoint instead of all of the theory behind it.
Hell, I'm an engineer that has sat through all sorts of advanced math ... of that advanced math, I probably use stuff in calc I & II the most ... and I only apply it ... I don't care about the theory behind it ... I use math as a blunt instrument to calculate stuff. I don't care how or why it works ... I only care if it works! :-).
I become livid looking at how much time and money I wasted sitting in classes ... one can always earn more money, but you cannot get that time back at all.
Amen-Never made it through more than three quarters of community college myself as it was not afforded me and my parents (paranoid extrordinaire) refused to give financial info so I could get financial aid. 1st quarter was on scholarship. Met my husband later who already had one degree in Mechanics and got his bachelors in business mgmt which allowed us to start our own business which was successful until we got burned out after twelve years and got some rotten customers.
Learning parrot fashion and regurgitating with NO encouragement to research, question or critically appraise anything. There was a time when this was encouraged.
Those teacher friends are 100% indoctrinated. I know teachers and former teachers who will tell anyone who will listen that our public school systems are shit, and it's all rote memorization with little to no context or substance behind it.
True. Funny thing about critical thinking—it is domain specific. In other words, you must have a certain level of background knowledge of the subject to be able to think critically about it. Example—the Tax Code. Most of us are pretty ignorant of it and spout off stupid things we hear on the news, but a CPA and a bookkeeper will have more knowledge and can therefore think critically about it. The more you know (no longer a novice) the higher level of critical thinking and problem solving you will have. This is true for all areas. You may know a lot about say, cars or sports, and will think at a much more analytical way about them than someone who doesn’t know much about them. A good sports analyst is someone who knows a lot about that sport.
Therefore, when we teach students to “think critically” or analytically, we must first teach background information so they have a structure of knowledge to build from. Children are novices, not experts.
I was able to get by without even trying because I have a very good memory.
There were many classes I aced all the tests in but often got B's or C's because I didn't bother doing most or all of the homework.
I skated by in high school but began taking things more seriously my junior and senior year and got straight A's the first semester of my senior year. There was a misprint on my printed report card, which said my GPA was 4.0 (True) and overall GPA was 4.0 (Definitely not true).
It was comical because somebody in the "Top Ten" glanced at my report card and freaked out. He asked why I wasn't in National Honor Society and I deadpanned the lie that I asked the school not to list me on the Honor Roll because I didn't want the attention. Of course, he ended up telling the other "Top Ten" students and the two who ended up in 9th and 10th place started up conversations with me (had never really talked to them before that day) trying to find out if what he had said was true. I still had my report card in my wallet so I showed it to them. They began competing hard core with each other for 10th place, so it was probably a good thing for them. Wish I had told the truth looking back, but it was humorous at the time.
Meanwhile, I took out 5 books a week from the library, mostly nonfiction, and read them cover to cover. Best worldly education I could have received.
Same here. I can remember anything I choose to. Back in 7th or 8th grade, our task was to memorize the basics of the Dewey Decimal System, the 500s are science, etc. I never got around to it. The next day in class, the teacher started calling on people to stand up and tell what each group was. I just sat there hoping I wouldn't be called for a while. When the teacher got to me, I had it down cold.
I breezed through high school and checked out a new book from the library almost every single day the whole four years. Science fiction, mysteries, and all kinds of non-fiction, especially science and math.
I couldn’t stand those kids. They had to collect every trophy and accolade they could, probably because their parents were living vicariously through them. They were NOTHING behind the GPA and NHS stole, which is why many I knew fell apart in college and were diagnosed with major mental health disorders.
Yep I HATED school. I was so bored. Mind you my parents paid for Catholic school so I did put effort in for their sakes but I didn’t care otherwise. I’ve always been the person that doesn’t need to study and still smashes the shit out of most subject matter. I always challenged my teachers when they were wrong or out of line. I was blunt with my peers (one girl wore a ton of makeup one day and I said she looked cheap 🤣) I have never been a “go along to get along” personality and now in adulthood, I see how important that truly is.
In the old days teachers were single women or nuns. These women were SMART and saw teaching as a vocation like being a mother. They had a passion for bringing out the best of each student and helping them learn about God and their place in his creation.
State education and Feminism destroyed this. Teaching became a profession. Now with the “smart” women chasing money we are left with the power hungry C students. They HATE the smart kids and want to punish them.
I was an "under performer" in high school but gained a college level education at home when my dear mother encouraged me to be a part of the college groups we hosted at our home in Omaha-these were the best of the best, beatniks, unconventional thinkers; also "under performers".
As a result, my soul was left intact with a sense of wonder at everything.. Deep gratitude to my dear mother. 😍
The lesson every kid learns on day 1 of school, regardless of what is being taught: “I'm forced to do something I don't like for 8 hours every day, and there's nothing I can do about it.” Another consumer-slave is born. “Unschooling” is the natural way to learn.
Truth. It’s about making a consumer-slave class. Doesn’t matter if the school is not woke, the children (and those of us who went through it) are made slaves.
I think there are things that interest us and much of it has to do with the teacher. If you think about it, what was your favorite subject and why? Teaching is really almost a performance in which you need to know when to perform and make what you are trying to teach something interesting—a good story, for example. (Like history or the Bible). Other subjects, such as mathematics, require a different teaching method in which you tailor it to your students’ inherent abilities. Some will love mathematics because it is like a puzzle and it all fits together, and others need to understand how this applies to their life. Teaching is an art.
I wonder if this is actually the difference between us and the sheep. I've oftened wondered why we can see the bullshit clear as day and they can't. I hated school and deeply resented going. I failed tests on purpose, I never did homework, I skipped any chance I got. When I was there I was in the back row drawing doodles or reading fantasy books secretly, not paying attention to the teacher. Maybe that saved me from brainwashing. Interesting theory OP!
Not for nothing that people above a certain IQ tend to have shit grades due to being so bored out of their skull that they don't even bother...
Even quite a few decades ago teaching was by rout rather than understanding, those that accepted this got better grades than those that wanted to understand.
Most often uttered phrase by teachers during teacher/parent conferences through out my childhood "very bright", often followed by " poor test scores/not very motivated to 'learn' ".....
I was bored in school a lot. In second grade, the teacher would give us a math test. For me, it was stupid simple. I would just write in all the answers in just a minute and then just sit there staring or put my head down for a nap. The other kids would struggle and take a long time. Finally, the teacher told me to just get a book off the shelf and read.
But I did get very good grades throughout school. I always read all my new textbooks the first week of school, so the rest of the year was just reviewing what I'd already read and digested a long time ago.
I still know people over 50 years old STILL paying their student loans. I even know someone over 70 who was surprised with student loan bills. Can you believe this? I agree with the Lefties, student loans should be forgiven at some point, but obviously Democrats would never let that happen in a million years.
I only owed around $3,000 when I left college, so I had that paid off pretty quickly. And it was only 3%. This was back when the state school was only $2,000 a year for everything.
I was a complete drop out without being a dropout in high school. I went pretty much everyday but it was really just to hang out with my friends. I never did any homework and I aced all the quizzes and tests to earn a 'D' at the very least. Then, since my dad was a drafter we had autocad on the 'ol compaq preasrio 700 mhz pentium 2 desktop. So I scanned in my report card on an old flatbed beast of a scanner and edited my report card to mostly 'B's and maybe a 'C' or an 'A'. Then printed it out on matching stationary. Every semester's report card was on different color stationary. Did that my whole Jr and Sr. year. This was just so I could show it to my parents. I still got all 'D's.
There was one exception though. I never went to my economics class my senior year so they wouldn't let me graduate. So I ended up taking it that summer after graduation on a 3 week crash course and did a 'Rainbow Graduation'. I treated community college the same and that lasted maybe two semesters and I never went back.
Absolutely! I'm 65 Y/o now, but my brain still has this blockade built in: I cannot memorize something that I know it's wrong. For ex. I lived for 3 Years at an address and there was one Name misspelled. So I could never remember the name of the street I lived.
our kids don't watch any tv... nor do we... they know very quickly when woke crap is pushed on them in schools... we get to do alot of re-education for some of the garbage they push in the schools. and yes... a number of their teachers in high school are very woke and vocal about it... they are not nice to our kids when it comes to grading because they hate students that aren't buying their bullshit. we do have some great teachers that hate their teaching environments and much of the bullshit their co-workers believe in and push. sadly... good teachers are hard to find.... but that's where we as the parents come in... ultimately it is our responsibility anyway.
I was unprogrammable hence considered stupid. Strangely they would never let me do music or languages. I now play a few instruments ts self taught and speak several languages self taught.
Love this! When I tell friends, who are teachers, that school is just a battle of who can memorize the best and there's no life application, they stand dumbfounded and don't know what to say. I did not fit in at school, my mother always told me she would receive calls home in 3rd grade that I was sleeping in class lol I have no idea how I graduated, I slept through nearly 10 years.
I began day-dreaming the minute I got into first grade, and continued for the next twelve years. I still got decent enough grades to graduate, but I was never really "there". School was numbingly boring.
Same
I went to high school about three weeks. I'm a drop out. But I could read well, so I read books on what I wanted to do. Believe it or not art of the deal was one of those books. Took a college course for QuickBooks so I could do accounting for my business. I now own two businesses (not big). Got my good enough diploma (GED) at one point, thought I'd do trade school but got a good job before I pulled the trigger. We need to be taught the basics and how to learn!
Im a drop out success story too. There's a lot of bullshit the world dumps on people for going that route, but something you learn quicker in the outside world vs in school that its "who you know, and not what you know".
You don’t learn critical thinking or useful life skills in college.
For me, Philosophy has been more than useful in figuring out primary sources. It literally saved my life.
"We need to be taught the basics and how to learn!"
This is the biggest catastrophe when it comes to public schools. The entire concept of self-education is lost on them (mostly by design, but I also think there's some arrogance mixed in there in that many of these radical leftist teachers truly believe people cannot learn on their own ... there always has to be some kind of master/apprentice paradigm involved ... ridiculous bullshit if you ask me).
Public education only focuses on the college bound. A class, in normal times, would have about 25% of its students heading to a university after high skrewl. This leaves 75% either going to a college they don't really want to attend, feeling like they're failures since they have no desire to go to college after 13 years of having it pounded into your head that its either college or a life of suffering, or they basically check out when they step foot in school since they're not wired to sit in a classroom 6 or 7 hours a day learning garbage they'll NEVER use in life.
It's fucking maddening. Public education as it is structured today is a total waste of the best learning years of one's life. You'd think people would wise up when they realize that they need an additional 2-4 years of training in something after spending the past 13 years of their life sitting in a school.
K-6 are the only grades where a one size fits all approach to education makes sense ... by the time a kid is ~ 12 years old, you'll have a far better idea of the kid's strengths and weaknesses as well as their interests. The current system basically throws them into classes that are a total waste of the kid's time as they enter 7th grade.
What these fucking schools need to do (assuming they actually care about their futures, which they don't) is start letting kids 'explore' things that are geared more towards what interests them if a traditional academic environment is not the way their brain works. Just as an example, some people get SCREWED having to suffer through two years worth of algebra when a better solution is to have them learn math from more of an application standpoint instead of all of the theory behind it.
Hell, I'm an engineer that has sat through all sorts of advanced math ... of that advanced math, I probably use stuff in calc I & II the most ... and I only apply it ... I don't care about the theory behind it ... I use math as a blunt instrument to calculate stuff. I don't care how or why it works ... I only care if it works! :-).
I become livid looking at how much time and money I wasted sitting in classes ... one can always earn more money, but you cannot get that time back at all.
I think apprenticeships are most important.
Amen-Never made it through more than three quarters of community college myself as it was not afforded me and my parents (paranoid extrordinaire) refused to give financial info so I could get financial aid. 1st quarter was on scholarship. Met my husband later who already had one degree in Mechanics and got his bachelors in business mgmt which allowed us to start our own business which was successful until we got burned out after twelve years and got some rotten customers.
Learning parrot fashion and regurgitating with NO encouragement to research, question or critically appraise anything. There was a time when this was encouraged.
I never tried until senior year of high school when my dad threatened to kill me if I didn't graduate.
I know for a FACT some teachers barely 'passed' me despite me doing almost no work. I deserved to fail many more classes than I did.
Those teacher friends are 100% indoctrinated. I know teachers and former teachers who will tell anyone who will listen that our public school systems are shit, and it's all rote memorization with little to no context or substance behind it.
Pink Floyd.
NOT "just another brick in the wall" 😁
All the more reason to homeschool or to find a school that actually fosters analytical thinking.
True. Funny thing about critical thinking—it is domain specific. In other words, you must have a certain level of background knowledge of the subject to be able to think critically about it. Example—the Tax Code. Most of us are pretty ignorant of it and spout off stupid things we hear on the news, but a CPA and a bookkeeper will have more knowledge and can therefore think critically about it. The more you know (no longer a novice) the higher level of critical thinking and problem solving you will have. This is true for all areas. You may know a lot about say, cars or sports, and will think at a much more analytical way about them than someone who doesn’t know much about them. A good sports analyst is someone who knows a lot about that sport.
Therefore, when we teach students to “think critically” or analytically, we must first teach background information so they have a structure of knowledge to build from. Children are novices, not experts.
I hope that make sense.
I was able to get by without even trying because I have a very good memory.
There were many classes I aced all the tests in but often got B's or C's because I didn't bother doing most or all of the homework.
I skated by in high school but began taking things more seriously my junior and senior year and got straight A's the first semester of my senior year. There was a misprint on my printed report card, which said my GPA was 4.0 (True) and overall GPA was 4.0 (Definitely not true).
It was comical because somebody in the "Top Ten" glanced at my report card and freaked out. He asked why I wasn't in National Honor Society and I deadpanned the lie that I asked the school not to list me on the Honor Roll because I didn't want the attention. Of course, he ended up telling the other "Top Ten" students and the two who ended up in 9th and 10th place started up conversations with me (had never really talked to them before that day) trying to find out if what he had said was true. I still had my report card in my wallet so I showed it to them. They began competing hard core with each other for 10th place, so it was probably a good thing for them. Wish I had told the truth looking back, but it was humorous at the time.
Meanwhile, I took out 5 books a week from the library, mostly nonfiction, and read them cover to cover. Best worldly education I could have received.
Same here. I can remember anything I choose to. Back in 7th or 8th grade, our task was to memorize the basics of the Dewey Decimal System, the 500s are science, etc. I never got around to it. The next day in class, the teacher started calling on people to stand up and tell what each group was. I just sat there hoping I wouldn't be called for a while. When the teacher got to me, I had it down cold.
I breezed through high school and checked out a new book from the library almost every single day the whole four years. Science fiction, mysteries, and all kinds of non-fiction, especially science and math.
I couldn’t stand those kids. They had to collect every trophy and accolade they could, probably because their parents were living vicariously through them. They were NOTHING behind the GPA and NHS stole, which is why many I knew fell apart in college and were diagnosed with major mental health disorders.
Readers are leaders. Gotta read the right stuff though.
What’s funny is I skipped classes even more in 12 grade but my grades got better until I was making straight A’s. 🤣
Yep I HATED school. I was so bored. Mind you my parents paid for Catholic school so I did put effort in for their sakes but I didn’t care otherwise. I’ve always been the person that doesn’t need to study and still smashes the shit out of most subject matter. I always challenged my teachers when they were wrong or out of line. I was blunt with my peers (one girl wore a ton of makeup one day and I said she looked cheap 🤣) I have never been a “go along to get along” personality and now in adulthood, I see how important that truly is.
In the old days teachers were single women or nuns. These women were SMART and saw teaching as a vocation like being a mother. They had a passion for bringing out the best of each student and helping them learn about God and their place in his creation.
State education and Feminism destroyed this. Teaching became a profession. Now with the “smart” women chasing money we are left with the power hungry C students. They HATE the smart kids and want to punish them.
Move to Washington state. Pretty soon students will not have to be proficient in ANY of the core subjects to graduate. It's racist. No joke.
I was an "under performer" in high school but gained a college level education at home when my dear mother encouraged me to be a part of the college groups we hosted at our home in Omaha-these were the best of the best, beatniks, unconventional thinkers; also "under performers".
As a result, my soul was left intact with a sense of wonder at everything.. Deep gratitude to my dear mother. 😍
This was in the 59-62 time period. U of O..
The lesson every kid learns on day 1 of school, regardless of what is being taught: “I'm forced to do something I don't like for 8 hours every day, and there's nothing I can do about it.” Another consumer-slave is born. “Unschooling” is the natural way to learn.
That right there is the point. Train us to put up miserably with all of it.
Truth. It’s about making a consumer-slave class. Doesn’t matter if the school is not woke, the children (and those of us who went through it) are made slaves.
I think there are things that interest us and much of it has to do with the teacher. If you think about it, what was your favorite subject and why? Teaching is really almost a performance in which you need to know when to perform and make what you are trying to teach something interesting—a good story, for example. (Like history or the Bible). Other subjects, such as mathematics, require a different teaching method in which you tailor it to your students’ inherent abilities. Some will love mathematics because it is like a puzzle and it all fits together, and others need to understand how this applies to their life. Teaching is an art.
A dark sarcasm in the classroom.
I wonder if this is actually the difference between us and the sheep. I've oftened wondered why we can see the bullshit clear as day and they can't. I hated school and deeply resented going. I failed tests on purpose, I never did homework, I skipped any chance I got. When I was there I was in the back row drawing doodles or reading fantasy books secretly, not paying attention to the teacher. Maybe that saved me from brainwashing. Interesting theory OP!
Most teachers are whores that you wouldn’t want you kids around. Back when I was more of a degenerate they were always the easiest to get with.
Even without the indoctrination I would NEVER leave my kids in their hands. Home school.
Not for nothing that people above a certain IQ tend to have shit grades due to being so bored out of their skull that they don't even bother...
Even quite a few decades ago teaching was by rout rather than understanding, those that accepted this got better grades than those that wanted to understand.
Most often uttered phrase by teachers during teacher/parent conferences through out my childhood "very bright", often followed by " poor test scores/not very motivated to 'learn' ".....
I was bored in school a lot. In second grade, the teacher would give us a math test. For me, it was stupid simple. I would just write in all the answers in just a minute and then just sit there staring or put my head down for a nap. The other kids would struggle and take a long time. Finally, the teacher told me to just get a book off the shelf and read.
But I did get very good grades throughout school. I always read all my new textbooks the first week of school, so the rest of the year was just reviewing what I'd already read and digested a long time ago.
Relatable sentiment.
I still know people over 50 years old STILL paying their student loans. I even know someone over 70 who was surprised with student loan bills. Can you believe this? I agree with the Lefties, student loans should be forgiven at some point, but obviously Democrats would never let that happen in a million years.
I only owed around $3,000 when I left college, so I had that paid off pretty quickly. And it was only 3%. This was back when the state school was only $2,000 a year for everything.
they kept us out, the intelligent, critical thinkers out of top colleges and top ranks of schools. And now the schools produce retards
I was a complete drop out without being a dropout in high school. I went pretty much everyday but it was really just to hang out with my friends. I never did any homework and I aced all the quizzes and tests to earn a 'D' at the very least. Then, since my dad was a drafter we had autocad on the 'ol compaq preasrio 700 mhz pentium 2 desktop. So I scanned in my report card on an old flatbed beast of a scanner and edited my report card to mostly 'B's and maybe a 'C' or an 'A'. Then printed it out on matching stationary. Every semester's report card was on different color stationary. Did that my whole Jr and Sr. year. This was just so I could show it to my parents. I still got all 'D's.
There was one exception though. I never went to my economics class my senior year so they wouldn't let me graduate. So I ended up taking it that summer after graduation on a 3 week crash course and did a 'Rainbow Graduation'. I treated community college the same and that lasted maybe two semesters and I never went back.
Absolutely! I'm 65 Y/o now, but my brain still has this blockade built in: I cannot memorize something that I know it's wrong. For ex. I lived for 3 Years at an address and there was one Name misspelled. So I could never remember the name of the street I lived.
our kids don't watch any tv... nor do we... they know very quickly when woke crap is pushed on them in schools... we get to do alot of re-education for some of the garbage they push in the schools. and yes... a number of their teachers in high school are very woke and vocal about it... they are not nice to our kids when it comes to grading because they hate students that aren't buying their bullshit. we do have some great teachers that hate their teaching environments and much of the bullshit their co-workers believe in and push. sadly... good teachers are hard to find.... but that's where we as the parents come in... ultimately it is our responsibility anyway.
“ADHD” represent.
And Asperger's. I saw the squirrels and everything else. :)
I was unprogrammable hence considered stupid. Strangely they would never let me do music or languages. I now play a few instruments ts self taught and speak several languages self taught.
I did learn how to tune out bullshit.
Kudos!
So, where myself and my kids went wrong, we may have been actually doing right? Cool.
Hey that’s me!
Turn on, tune in, drop out.
So my ADHD was a blessing. Thank God for all you've done for me!
I have Asperger's, so my brain is hard-wired differently. The brainwashing didn't work on me. :)
My h.s. 74 was failing. An A was 95 and up.