Source: Vladimir Rogov, member of the Main Council of the Civil-Military Administration of the Zaporozhye region - https://t.me/vrogov
I uploaded to catbox the video material mentioned as being located here:
- https://files.catbox.moe/ace445.mp4
- https://files.catbox.moe/k7vngk.mp4
- https://files.catbox.moe/zzrya4.MP4
⚡️🇺🇸🇬🇧Bucha massacre Part-I
The National Guard of Ukraine filmed its entering into the town north of Kiev where the alleged massacre took place: https://t.me/vrogov/2348?single
They were first in the town after the withdrawal of Russian troops.
The video clearly shows no dead bodies on the streets.
That casts serious doubts on the later claims of Russian involvement in killings of civilians. Most probably, the following Ukrainian troops shot them as reprisals for the unloyal.
⚡️⚡️🇺🇸🇬🇧Bucha massacre Part-II
On the 31st of March, the Mayor of Bucha Anatoliy Fedoruk announced that the town was again under full control of the Ukranian government: https://t.me/vrogov/2348
The relevant video was posted by «Ukraine 24» channel on the 1st of April.
There was not a signle word on any dead bodies on the streets of the town in the video.
Zhan Beleniuk, a deputy of the Ukrainian parliament, also reported about visiting Bucha after regaining control by the Ukrainian government.
No dead bodies on the streets were mentioned. Both statements were made in a joyful manner without any reservations about atrocities.
The group of Sergey Korotkih was in Bucha on the 1st or the 2nd of April. Again, he made no reference to murder of civilians.
The claim of alleged killings of local civilians by the Russian forces came noticeably later.
It would be absolutely impossible not to notice numerous dead bodies on the streets for those who made initial reports from Bucha.
The dead bodies appeared on the streets much later after the Russian withdrawal from the town.
⚡️⚡️⚡️🇺🇸🇬🇧Bucha massacre Part-III
To understand video materials from Bucha, it is necessary to know the "friend-or-foe" markings used by belligerents in Ukraine: https://t.me/vrogov/2348
The Ukrainian forces use either blue or yellow armlets or stripes (colored adhesive tape, ribbons, etc.). The Russian forces - red or white.
Because members of Ukrainian militia don't always wear military uniforms, local civilians in Bucha wore white stripes on their upper arms when the Russian forces were stationed in Bucha.
That was done to prevent misidentification of civilians as members of the militia.
When the Ukrainian forces entered the town they fired at the people with white stripes, thus killing the civilians.
The video shows a conversation between members of Ukrainian units from a "Boatsman boys" squad.
One of them asks if he can shoot at the people without blue stripes. The other confirms that it can be done (with an expletive).
So the shooting at the civilians was done by Ukrainian units.
Let's hope this is where it all starts falling apart. Enough is enough.
Here's another one showing evidence that some of the civilians received humanitarian aid from the Russian military:
https://t.me/s/intelslava/24337
Usually when false flags drop, I just ignore it and wait for the dust to settle so I can know what really happened. This one is hard to ignore since where-ever you look people just going hysterical about this. Thanks for posting this.
Yeah, the first clues started surfacing a few days ago. I looked like another one of those situations that as the layers were pulled back the story would fall apart. Seems that is exactly what is happening.
The Deep State Propaganda Department [AKA The Media], was pushing this story hard yesterday. Clearly pushing the masses to be more sympathetic to WWIII.
I would not be surprised at all if the Ukrainian units assassinated these poor civilians because they had accepted Russian aid (referencing that picture posted on here previously of the Russian aid boxes being strewn amongst the bodies).
Zelensky gave out weapons like candy to create "territorial defense" units. They aren't units because they don't belong to a command structure.
So basically gangs armed with military hardware and license to do whatever. They've been killing themselves, civilians and Ukrainian army for a month now. These "atrocities" are a way to blame Russia for retarded decisions from the 404 government.
You can find more details here: https://t.me/tales_from_mordor/12
MSM and government are in full on Russian massacre mode and it's being pushed hard on every outlet and normie retards are eating it up and I see it first hand. A lot of these people are STILL in "why would the news or government lie to us?" mode. These are also the people lining up for jab x4, change there Facebook bio pics on command for whatever they need to be supporting this week, and parrot the media narrative as if it was Jesus Christ himself giving them the words.
Normies tangled up in their underwear over Russia. I’m accused of not having sympathy for the Ukrainians. I Rémind them of the same conversation months ago but Afghanistan was their craze. Blank stare follows. So exasperating. NCSWIC
This is believable, given the goings on in Mariupol, where Azov Ukrainian units are shooting civilians. See Patrick Lancaster's Youtube channel. https://youtu.be/lRtLFT2sbBg?t=718 - apologies for Youtube link
Bastards.
Now think about all the tragedies that has stuck humanity - Rwanda, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, 911, Yugoslavia, Vietnam war, WW2, WW1, and on and on and on.
Imagine similar stuff being done and then planted on the "evil people". How will you wake people up about 911? I think first start with something like this, and slowly work up to 911.
Its been going on for a long time, sickening. Pray for justice.
Because of my Naval experience while deployed and what we see with Ukraine v. Russia, I no longer believe anything the MSM says about such "massacres."
Accepting that 9/11 was an inside job last year hurt me emotionally. Imagine that it would do to people that learn what has been going on at a faster rate. Their brain would probably explode.
For me it was 2 years ago, and yeah my mind really fought it. Didnt want to believe it was true. However, as events unfolded with Covid, Vaccines etc, and I saw how evil these people truly were, it became easy to accept that 9/11 was an inside job.
That hurt me too. I watched the second plane hit on TV at school. I was in 8th grade. Realizing all the weeks and months and YEARS of sadness that followed were because of our own government…it was a lot to unpack.
Third period English class, 11th grade.
Here is a "And We Know" video, go to the 22:45 mark. One of the corpses was waving his hand, another was getting up off the ground after the cameras rolled past. It was staged.
https://rumble.com/vzo3ml-4.4.22-courageous-leaders-stepping-up-major-victories-on-the-earth-many-had.html
Sorry. The hand movement was a refracted image from a rain drop that was moving down the camera lens, and the "getting up" image was an effect of the mirror's edge curvature (fisheye lens effect causes image to foreshorten). This doesn't mean the scenario was entirely as presented, however. We have to be careful to discard false explanations. Plenty of true material available.
Wrong, the camera that caught the hand moving was inside a vehicle. You can see the dashboard of the vehicle and the windshield. There were no water drops anywhere on the lens or there would be blurry spots in other fields of the video image. Why are making up lies?
You can see a sticker on the windshield to the right of the screen. There are no water drops on the windshield from the rain and the wipers are not on.
I am going to flag your handshake account; we do not need misinformation infilTRAITORS here.
Then it was the windshield, which makes more sense. All it takes is one drop. If there is only one drop, would anyone bother to have wipers on? I live in Puget Sound where we have multiple words for rain. If I had to activate my wipers for every solitary raindrop, I would go nuts. I have seen that optical effect myself. A raindrop on the windshield is like a spherical lens.
I apologize for my poor recollection of the discussion by Gonzalo Lira, who backtracked over that video quite a bit to determine what was going on. He identified the culprit as a raindrop on the windshield and I misrecalled his deduction. He is also a film director and knows his optics. And he is NOT an apologist for the Ukranian Nazis, nor am I, so don't get your panties in a twist. There is a strong tendency in this audience to let confirmation bias overrule honesty. Which is somewhat evidenced by your boorish hostility toward a non-conspiratorial assessment of decidedly poor images. But be sure your flag reads "I'm pissed off at this guy because he makes mistakes and does not confirm my bias." You wouldn't want to lie, would you?
Like I said, there are no rain drops on the windshield. None!!! You were caught lying and now changing your story. THERE ARE NO RAINDROPS ON THE WINDSHIELD.
The persons hand moves the distance of a couple feet. A random raindrop will not cause just the hand to move, the entire corpse would move. Your explanation does not make sense. I don't know who you are referencing, it is obvious disinformation to cover up the truth, I believe what my eyes show me.
"Stong tendency in this audience"? Are you separating yourself from the rest of us? Sounds like you just did. What makes you different? Perhaps party affiliation?
"non-conspiratorial assessment of decidedly poor images"? If your original assessment includes obviously fake facts, how is that non-conspiratorial? You admit you were wrong. I would conclude the only thing poor here was YOUR assessment. No, I would go further than that, not just poor, misleading.
Boorish Hostility? "I'm pissed"? No, I was just pointing out you were lying, that is all. It is common practice for liberals to start throwing around unfounded claims once they have been outed, raise your hand if this applies to you.
Oh, bullshit. I was caught making a mistake of recollection, not an intentional deceit. The optical principle is the same: a water droplet in the field of view. It only takes one. Single raindrops can occur, as I know from a lifetime of experience. It all adds up to a transient optical image effect, not a physical movement. So if I said "147 and 255 add up to 401," you would jump up and say "you're a liar...it's 402!" And I would say, "oops, you're right, my apology, it is 402," and you would still say I'm a liar. By your pettifogging approach, you don't know the difference between a lie and an error. I hope you don't walk around with cocked pistols.
I've seen the video. One can barely construe the image as a hand, much less how far it might move. You are unaware of the refractive quality of a spherical lens, it appears. It was not big enough to affect the whole image of the corpse. I got this from Gonzalo Lira who has YouTube videos. Just look him up that way and you can find him. His review video is only a few days old. (He's worth listening to. He's in Ukraine and is debunking stuff right and left.)
Your eyes are uninformed and they don't tell you anything. The image is at the limit of resolution and needs to be broken down frame by frame. (I have also spent time as an optical engineer working on the optical quality of intraocular lenses, so I have had some practice at looking at things.)
Yeah, there is a strong tendency in this audience to accept any crappy information or bullshit that can be woven into whatever narrative is most popular. I don't think I am saying anything other than "the sky is blue" on that point. What makes me different is that I am a trained scientist and engineer, less susceptible to explanations that are emotionally satisfying but factually sketchy. I want hard facts, not squishy pseudo-facts. You are satisfied with squishy ones? See...there's a difference between us. But Q doesn't go with squishy facts.
I was wrong only about where the drop was, but not about the optical effect. Not wrong about the mirror (which you don't dispute, simple foreshortening). Just trying to carry the baton for the guy that found it out originally. Since I am not defending being wrong (error), I don't see what you have against the correction---since it leads to the same result.
Yeah, boorish hostility. You can't take a simple correction without accusing me of treason. It is common practice for liberals to throw around unfounded claims and that was why I was correcting you---before you got the anons associated with an untenable interpretation and damaged our reputation. Pal, that image was murky as hell. You won't convince anyone who didn't want to be convinced in the first place---and you would both be fools.
LOL, ya you were right, there was one rain drop that fell that day and it fell in the exact spot, with perfect timing where it had the potential to expose the plan of the Ukraine Nazi forces to stage a fake false flag attack and paint the Russian forces as murderous invaders. And you came here with the "science" to defend the Nazi's reputation, nothing to see here, move along.
Trust the science you say? Where have I heard that before? Dr. Fauci, is that you? Look guys, I found Dr. Fauci, he is designing death rays now.
I am truly glad you came here with your lifetime of rain experience because I have never seen rain before. I would be curious to know if any other anons here have ever seen rain before. How many times do you have to experience this rain phenomena before you become an expert in the field? My untrained eye was deceiving me I guess, lol.
BTW, it was broken down frame by frame in the video, forward and in reverse.
I am not an optical engineer with a background in transient optical image effect, refractive quality of a spherical lens and raindrops but.....I can point out Nazi horse shit when I see it.
Give it up dude, I saw you were defending Nazi's in a separate post calling Operation Paperclip nonsense. You have been here a year and have a post score of 297. You are not at all concerned about the reputation of this board or you would be more active. You only get involved when there are Nazi's to protect it seems.
Nazi's are gonna Nazi.
The problem with your thinking is that you believe coincidences are impossible, which is profoundly unrealistic. The fact remains that the image is so vague, it is really not possible to sort it out otherwise. (I watched how they handled it: scrolling the image back and forth in time, not really a frame by frame approach.) And the other image is just image foreshortening from the mirror surface figure (fisheye effect).
I have no patience with actual, violent Nazis. Have I not condemned the Azovites in round terms? They are truly terrible beasts. But I know better than to make charges that are empty, because they undermine the charges that are real. And I also know better than to imagine all Germans are death camp guards or commandants. That is just idiotic. And I know my history about Operation Paperclip, which has led to no Nazi infestation.
The problem also of pointing out horse shit when you see it is that you can't tell if it is yours or someone else's. It gets very confusing when prejudice starts to fill in the blanks of uncertainty, vagueness, or ignorance. People "know" a lot of things that are absurd nonsense, as the flat-Earthers, etc., can illustrate.
I don't really care what post score I have or what it means. This page is obviously open to people who don't know science or history, so there should be no prejudice against someone who does know these things. You are not the one to judge anyone for how "active" they are. I've been involved in other matters, but...there's that ignorance factor again. You are well endowed.
Thanks, I saw that video on the chans but failed to download it. Glad someone did.
Keeping a timeline of this all is important. Thank you for putting this together, Fren o7
One big detail is that the dead we do see are wearing the white tapings around arms and legs in accordance with Russian troops identifying Ethnic Russians within Mariupol and elsewhere....... just like you see the RF forces wearing tape themselves......
Hardly going to shoot their own......
WWG1WGA
One video from a Ukrainian soldier’s vehicle showing dead in the streets..... in the wing mirror you could see one of the ‘dead’ get up....
WWG1WGA
That was some critical info and eye opening. Abit annoying it's hidden amongst an hour long vid. Ty for sharing
It turns out that it was an illusion resulting from the mirror curvature as the image got toward the edge of the mirror. But there are other problems with the scenario. (Gonzalo Lira has a good discussion of this on a recent YouTube video.)
I saw a dead person on the first video at the very beginning but I think he was wearing camo.
This is consistent with complaints from the inhabitants of the Donbass that Ukrainians were indiscriminately shooting civilians (especially the neo-Nazi elements).
There's also this article, which I think does a good job of summarizing the obfuscation of the whole Bucha situation in layman's terms.
It's not debunking anything, but it's absolutely saying "Hold up, things don't add up here! Let's not rush to judgement."
This k you for detailing this. I'm sure most of us knew thru our high level discernment, but this is as concrete as it gets.
You, anon, should be an investigative journalist.