In this thread, please share something you learned about vaccines, that really blew your mind...
⚠️ Vax-TYRANNY ☠️
https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/
I'll go first...
When i learned that vaccines caused "SIDS", it blew my mind,
but when i learned that SIDS was invented for the sole purpose of covering up the fact that vaccines kill babies, that really blew my mind!
Tell that to the Native American populations virtually destroyed by small pox, or people who were still getting polio because their particular population didn't have access to the polio vaccine. Just because the covid shots are not vaccines does not mean that real vaccines have not been effective. Real vaccines are based on real science, and actually make sense; use the actual virus, but a deadened version, to make your immune system work against the live virus.
Nope. And please, imagine a nice popping sound at the end there. Vaccines increase virulity of the disease. It's called "rogue vaccine derived virus". It happened specifically with the polio vaccine, which continues to main and kill, even still today. Here's a collection of headlines a simple internet search will give you:
Vaccine-derived polio is on the rise...
Mutant Strains Of Polio Vaccine Now Cause More Paralysis ...
Wild Polio Wiped Out In Africa — But Vaccine-Derived Polio ...
Bill Gates' polio vaccine program caused 47,500 paralysis deaths in India...
UN Forced ToThat Admit That Gates-Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa...
It's always been this way. Always. Vaccines were never about health. So, happy hunting for the TRUTH about vacvines and polio to you!
There's some gray here. Two points:
-Gates was using a new type of polio vaccine. Worse, I don't trust Gates to not intentionally sterilize and kill with the vaccines he funds. The problem here could be this particular vaccine and this particular man behind it and not evidence of there being a problem with vaccines in general.
-While rogue vaccine derived virus is a very real thing, statistically there are certain diseases where the data certainly points to a vaccine doing far, far more good than harm.
I do not challenge your bullet points. But I am challenging your assertion of "Nope" in response to PhDinNY's comment. For the very general, broad concept of vaccines, I think it's very dangerous to take an all or nothing approach here.
This is a nuanced problem at both a scientific level and political one, specifically the creation of vaccines by evil people that either through direct intent or greed cause very serious health issues. Evil behaviors by those in power and corrupt pharma companies have muddied the water here significantly.
Polio is an example where the data points to the original polio vaccine doing far more good than harm. And as a general concept of using weakened or dead virus to provoke an identical immune response, common sense should tell us that a good portion of the time that's going to have a positive effect when specifically dealing with a virus that has a high mortality rate and/or high serious injury rate.
For low mortality rate viruses, phenomena like RVDV can completely undermine the good that a GOOD vaccine can do, and there should be serious consideration about not producing vaccines for them.
Again, we have to follow the data and we have to appreciate the nuance. If a virus with a 70% mortality rate is rampaging through the population, there's no medicine that can stop it and a trustworthy scientific company is offering a vaccine that is based purely on weakened or dead virus, would you take it? I strongly suspect you would.
If we're going to talk about vaccines as a general concept, we have to parse out the machinations of evil men and we must look at the data with clear eyes. The data points to some vaccines doing some net positive, and that should not be ignored.
This is a well repeated myth. Credit rightfully belongs to plumbers, electricians, sandhogs, engineers and city planners for eliminating disease. Not vaxxines. It can be shown polio, small pox, measles, tuberculosis, tetanus, etc. were in free-fall decline before a vaxxine was developed. If anything, the vaxxines each time delayed the decline of these diseases.
"It can be shown polio, small pox, measles, tuberculosis, tetanus, etc. were in free-fall decline before a vaxxine was developed. If anything, the vaxxines each time delayed the decline of these diseases."
Okay, but you've got to give me something in terms of data if you're going to assert such a claim.
This. No one has even seen many of these viruses. They largely exist “quantitatively”. There are tons of people who never caught many of them because they boiled their drinking water. Ffs the Mongols were some of the dirtiest people when it came to basic hygiene and they didn’t have issues with most of these diseases simply because they never drank dirty water.
Vaccine companies don't do studies to see if a group of vaxxed vs unvaxxed have other health problems over long term. So we don't know if they do good really. It may help lessen the disease you took the vax for, but it may have given you a whole list of other ailments you would not have had. They don't do these studies because they know what they will find.
Bitchute why you can't catch a virus.. No virus ever in the world has ever been isolated.its a moneymaking depopulation scam
And to add, do you still trust the flu shot? It's a "vaccine" that doesn't do much.
Every family we convince to stop getting the injections stop getting sick and then go telling more people.
Studies proved that the more shots people get, year after year, the more susceptible they are to other flus and diseases.
I only got the flu shot once in my life, before I knew much about them. Note that, at least in the past, they were called "flu shots", not "flu vaccinations", and "tetanus shots" not tetanus vaccinations. Tetanus, being a bacteria, could likely never have a real vaccine. I think the truth on true vaccines lies somewhere between the "all vaccines are poison" and "vaccines are the greatest medical breakthrough in history" :)
except for spreading new variants, increasing the flu resistance to the pills prescribed and basically working for big pharma.
Let’s discuss how polio vaccines were contaminated with viruses and the cancer that ensued. Vaccines have never deserved the altruistic philosophy attributed them in my opinion. The gross negligence of the science behind the smallpox vaccine and Dr Edward Jenner unethically testing it on a small boy is simply the basis of this ‘science.’ Tell me how you came to trust the polio and “real vaccines based on real science” please begin by defining what real science is in order that we fundamentally understand exact terms and usage,
Very well said, AS. You sum up my thoughts above in a much more concise fashion. We have to look at this subject in a nuanced fashion.
I don’t think PhDinNY appreciates it. All he could do is downvote. Methinks the phd is a delusion of grandeur!
How true, bewilders me how people can assign motive to the tool. The intent always lies in the hand that wields it.
Europeans domesticated animals. Animals have horrible diseases. When Europeans came to America they decimated the natives because their immune systems couldnt handle what the Europeans were hardy to, because of their years around animal shit.