The Sussman single, low level charge was and is an interesting opening gambit. Yes, we will have to endure fake news on how this blows the Durham investigation up. But they will never admit this trial was used to introduce the reality of the conspiracy into an official record. And, the distinct possibility this charge and trial was more about that, than wanting/needing a conviction.
Had he been convicted the FBI would be having a party. It would have given them plausible deniability. The conspiracy would be resting squarely on Hillary’s and the DNC’s shoulders. His acquittal implies the opposite, they knew who he represented and chose to engage in the conspiracy.
Interestingly, even if Sussman did not lie to the FBI, he still participated in a conspiracy to influence the 2016 Presidential election. Will he be charged with that in the future? Or, has he possibly already cut a deal on the more serious charges?
Thanks to u/MeanOMan for opening my mind to this perspective!
As always, only time will tell.
Had he been convicted the FBI would be having a party. It would have given them plausible deniability.
Very interesting point.
Good post.
Never forget what they did to michael flynn
Jury was dumb. They thought they were hitting back at Trump by believing Sussman in the trial. It seems an average DC swamp creature has never heard of Sun Tsu.
Holy smokes, that’s right. If they convicted Sussmann, Hillary would be better off right now. But she still has a target on her back thanks the them Sa-weet
That's Positive Patriot's take from yesterday but the opposite of OP's take.
Damn, another twist.
For sure it was a calculated risk, but the swamp almost reflexively protects their own. The prosecution played on that reflex and hedged their bet by presenting evidence that implicated the FBI.
If you think about the Prosecution case, it demonstrated the CIA immediately knew what Sussman was peddling didn’t add up. And, then called FBI witnesses who said within days they knew the Alfa Bank story was false.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/fbi-agent-at-sussmann-trial-bureau-rejected-alfa-bank-claims-within-days
The jury was really left with two choices. Sussman told a lie that duped the FBI into investigating the false allegations. Or, that the FBI knew they were false and chose to investigate anyway, which means Sussman’s lie was not material.
I tried to look at the jury instructions to see what was needed to convict. Haven't found yet but someone here suggested that Durham tried the case in such a way as to ensure an acquittal. In short, it sounds like the instructions to the jury included them finding that the lie was "material" and that the FBI reasonably relied on it and acted on it. The suggestion was that the evidence developed by Durham at trial showed that the "not from a client" lie was not relevant to their decision to launch the investigation.
Jury's out for me - pun intended LOL. If a conviction required a finding that he "lied" to the FBI AND that the FBI only acted on the lie because they believed it, the FBI is essentially exonerated. The scenario presented by a Sussman conviction on the lying to FBI charge was a mutually exclusive scenario. If he's guilty, they aren't. I was uncomfortable with the charge for that reason even before the verdict because I thought this is just another case of the three letter agency finding a scapegoat.
There are other "non-mutually exclusive" scenarios. Like "collusion" or conspiracy.
Durham didn't have to because this was the DEFENSE strategy.
Remember this... The BAD here was the FBI investigation being used to validate the Trump smear campaign by the MSM.
Durham goes to the FBI and the FBI creates "Plausible Deniability" by blaming Sussman for the investigation. This wasn't convincing enough for Baker to keep his job by the way, but criminally, it creates enough doubt.
So what do you do? They are lawyers, and they gamed the system.
Durham knows the complexity with getting a guilty verdict on Sussman, so you have to ask why he did it anyway?
I don't think public perception was 100% the reason. I don't think that getting testimony on record plays the big role either.
Could there be multi-factors? probably....
I'm personally leaning towards the following.... White hats obviously need some awakening before they can come forward as a shadow government.
Military Tribunals... Would the American people accept the use of Tribunals over our Justice system? I promise you, this will be how the swamp attack back... Calling Trump a tyrant and using unjust prosecution accusations to smear him in their attempt to maintain power.
I do see other paths, I'm not discounting them either. Maybe Durham has some other indictments in waiting, and he's just keeping the evidence that he will use with those close to chest.
at the moment though... I think it's all about AWAKENING on the path to DISCLOSURE...
The big DISCLOSURE of electronic cheating is coming up.... Does the evidence tie the FBI to it? Is the Sussman trial just part of a lead up to FBI corruption and disclosure of the stolen election and military tribunals to prosecute the criminals?
Thank you for ending my gloom... going to ride another hopium wave now
I'm too familiar with the emotional setbacks now. I mean, I lived through 15 months of successive Ultra Lockdowns (6+) in Victoria, Australia (no one will really know what that was like if they didn't live through it).
When I saw the verdict, it was more disbelief than depression. Yeah, the emotions went on a slight bump - about 5% of what the each lockdown did, and the Nov Dec Jan 2021/2022 season, but really nothing. Just amazed that the jury could even return such a verdict.
But, the confusion and the slight gloom gave way to really top kek, top energy vibes in about 5 hours, as I started to engage with commentators who actually think through this stuff, instead of reacting.
Man, this is a tough part of the movie, but I feel like its getting more and more brilliant each step of the way.
How many contaminated judges and juries will there be before the (military being the only way)? Will any of this impact November 8th?
If I knew exactly what this means I would be inclined to say it will.
https://greatawakening.win/p/15IEJoGA1H/a-brilliant-brave-and-sturdy-jud/c/
That's a pretty good answer T.
I understand this doesn't get the exposure the Deppshit and Headgiva trial gets but I'm just curious how much damage will we absorb as a nation until we get to critical mass? My heart aches for my Fren's near and far.
I’m thankful we were able to jump out of the pot before we were boiled. It might have been a more comfortable misery living through eight years of Hillary, slowly being cooked to death. And, all the while believing we lived in a divided country where the lefties outnumbered us by just enough to rule the country, that there side was growing rapidly while ours was dramatically shrinking. And
Instead we were awakened and educated about the harsh realities and sinister forces trying to control us. No doubt, it’s an uncomfortable misery, knowing what is really going on. But it’s better to know we are in a fight for our way of life, that we are in fact the majority, and to live to fight another day, than to fade away under the deception we are a minority soon to be extinct.
Trials are pointless just like elections, it doesn't matter what you can or can't prove because the system is rigged. Why don't they just dump everything they have on the internet and be done with it?
your saying this now, but I've been trying to explain this on here for the last couple of weeks... long before any verdict
so this theory didn't arise from coping..
coping may have played a part in awakening other to this theory, I admit that
Everything is rigged, yet we still use the system? This case was built up for months and it was a flop. If we knew it was rigged why wasn’t that the takeaway for the last few months?
Another point:
The corruption and degradation of the US court institutions needs to be brought out and exposed, because to actually convict the criminal conspirators, unrigged, uncompromised venues need to be established, and that can only happen via exposure of the system.
DJT truth:
"Our Legal System is CORRUPT, our Judges (and Justices) are highly partisan, compromised or just plain scared.... "
Who on earth really cares is sussman does time for a lie to the FBI? I really wondered, what the heck is Durham doing with .... "He lied to the FBI" charge? It's like charging someone in the United California Bank Heist ($30million) with shoplifting, or giving them a $25 fine for Jaywalking over to the bank.
But now I get it. 5D chess. Makes total sense.
And, the unthinking Swamp will be celebrating tonight, while the thinking ones are sh*tting their pants.
Yes, this plays into my thoughts as well...
theory: Durham's role is to awaken the masses to the need for Military tribunals.
aha. I never considered that one.
That would be fricken awesome.
Because that is going to be a big call. Gonna be really hard to get the majority of the US population to see and accept that actual, deadly treason is every bit as fricken real (if not more real) in 2000's as it was in 1776, or 1812, or 1850's.
Either way, if one thinks that what Durham is doing is NOT strategic, then that's a really dumb conclusion. I'll admit, I fell into it for a few hours today, but it's ludicrous when you consider all the real facts.
Unless of course Durham has been holidaying in Bermuda 327 days of the year for the past 5 years, and has been billing it all to the US government somehow. But I think that's not very likely. Kek.
we all fall into that.. the mental gymnastics we have wade through daily is insane..
keep your head up, eyes open, don't get too tied to theories, but don't be afraid to share them either...
Sussman didn't lie? He had sworn testimony to Congress that said he did the work for the Clinton campaign....its okay to admit Durham fucked up a case a first year law student could prosecute.
Interestingly Positive Patriot's take on why not to worry about the acquittal stated that a conviction of Sussman would have EXONERATED Hillary/DNC.
This is a great illustration of the 48-hour rule. No emotional outbursts at news items for 48 hours, to let the dust settle and let more data, perspective, and context have a chance to rise.
I am not a biologist or a lawyer. Any lawfags out there who care to opine on which reason not to worry is the more sensible, be my guest!
It’s not clear to me how Hillary and the DNC would have been exonerated by a Sussman conviction. He was accused of lying to the FBI about why he was bringing the information to them. His lie was that it was not on behalf of his clients when, in fact, it was.
Durham’s team showed us that Sussman’s clients knew the Russia hoax materials were false. They knew he peddled the information to the FBI and CIA. He billed them for that service and even the thumb drives with the phony information. Neither his acquittal nor a conviction changes those facts, so neither could exonerate them.
But the FBI could have been. A conviction would have meant the FBI was duped into this investigation by Sussman. His acquittal means the jury believed the FBI knew he was he was there on behalf of his clients and wanted an excuse to participate in the conspiracy.
Sussman’s trial and acquittal helped build the case the conspiracy started with Hillary and the DNC then extended into the FBI, and possibly beyond.
Great stuff man
We could argue all day about the role nullification versus materiality played in the verdict. And you may well be right.
But does the verdict change the fact that this trial demonstrated the FBI knew the allegations were false and pursued an investigation anyway?
Does it change the fact that this trial demonstrated that Hillary and the DNC knew they were pushing disinformation?
And that this trial demonstrated there was a far ranging conspiracy to falsely make it appear Candidate Trump was a Russian Operative?
You are totally right, it does not change that fact. Even when a guilty verdict would have benefited a branch of the DS, the judicial system is so tainted it could not convict a deep stater.
So Durham has skillfully shown their was a conspiracy. But does it accomplish anything if he can’t get a fair trial in a DC court? Surely he knows that, but does he have a strategy to deal with it remains to be seen.
Amen to that!
Imagine the fbi. Created to stop the communist from destroying America. By being an elite federal level detectives. To solve high crimes. Now they collude with communist to bring the country down. They have failed their own original purpose.
The jury didn’t “believe sussman and not the fbi”
The jury nullified the charge.
Do we know that for a fact? Or did they believe Sussman’s lie was not material? His lie was not the reason the FBI pursued the investigation?
Durham’s charge against Sussman set up a central question in the conspiracy. Was the FBI duped into the investigation? Then his team presents evidence that the answer is no, the FBI knew Sussman’s information was bogus and opened an investigation anyway.
Yeah
but several jury members have said they believed he should not have been tried because there are bigger fish to fry and irrelevant whether he is guilty or not
if the jury is deciding “not guilty” based on “should not be illegal/is not relevant,” that’s called “jury nullification.”
Thank you, that’s very interesting.
If the jury is saying there are bigger fish to fry, doesn’t that prove the point? This trial was used to show there are many and bigger fish, guilty of far worse offenses.
So, yes, their excuses for rallying around a swamp creature fit the definition of nullification. But their excuses also show they were persuaded higher level people were guilty of higher level crimes.
It is almost like people involved in this case stipulated to the existence of a conspiracy to prove Sussman didn’t lie, or his lie didn’t matter.
yep
Why wasn't this the news the past months? How is it not going to be goal post moving? Why wasn't this stated loud and clear and stuck at the top for everyone to be aware of for the past months? WHY? WHY? WHY? It's funny for the last two years every single time something doesn't happen there is 10000 flooded spams with how this is winning and how it was part of the plan, well then where the fuck was this part of the plan 1 month ago? I want it explained at the 5th grade level why this wasn't known by everyone here that this trial would be a farse and didn't matter, because to a lot of us, it has been the big ticket. The faith is gone, we need some fucking answers.
You made this comment 4 months ago.
8 months ago
10 months ago
You're a bonafide professional doomer, blackpiller and glowie all rolled up into one.
Good catch
I'm also a combat veteran and tired of watching my country go to hell, I'm tired of people bashing on me, and yes I'm fucking pissed. Some days I'm happy, anymore everyday I'm angry. Call me all the words you want go for it, I'm sick of people, I'm sick of the lies, and anymore I think half of you magavoices are the fucking enemy too, and when we meet on the battlefield I know where I will be standing, we will see if you are beside me or at the end of my sights.
Okay this wasn’t months, just two weeks ago, but it made it pretty clear what the verdict would be.
https://greatawakening.win/p/15HvGObIv4/trump-just-dropped-some-bombs-on/c/
Well I read that too... two fucking weeks ago, when it was apparent anywhere off this website that the trial was never going to amount to shit. Goal posts being moved again today..
The goal posts are the fall of the cabal, not a conviction of a low level DS operative on a low level crime.
The winner tends to be the one with the most goals. Not just the last one.
Trail verdict being not guilty is not the same as trial not amounting to shit.
Wake up!
u/#wakeup
I have been making this argument for weeks. Feel free to check my posts.
thanks for the mention TSearch! great post...
Durham's goal is still not completely clear to me, but I'm not convinced there isn't one. It just may not be in the form of GUILTY verdicts to get the job done.
Or maybe GUILTY verdicts are the measuring stick for how drained the swamp currently is.
Is it possible "NOT GUILTY" let people ask the question..."WTF is going on with our justice system?". This question then opened the door for Matt Gaetz to step in with the answer hours after the "NOT GUILTY" was rendered.... (You think this was a coincidence?)
I don't ... and if it's not a coincidence, then it must have been part of a plan...
So there is a **plan **after all?
You really have to bend, twist and stretch HARD to see this as anything other than complete defeat And affirmation that the deep state is in complete control of our justice system at this point.
I think that's the point. People are beginning to see how damn corrupt the government is. From the border wall crisis, to the baby formula shortage, to corrupt pharma colluding with cdc/fda/nih to force poisons on us, to the school systems and crt and wokism crap, to the police arresting parents trying to rescue their kids from uvalde...
people are going to break soon. When food shortages start to arrive, I think that's when the protests will really start picking up and people demanding change.
I think the story isn't fully played out yet. The result of this case wouldn't matter much because to begin with, the charge was only for perjury (lying under oath). Even if a guilty verdict happened, it doesn't mean much. The more important part is the stuff revealed during trial. And a guilty verdict does mean more people being brought awareness to this trial.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next trial Durham brings
The biggest redpills i've noticed so far were:
Sadly, these are only redpills and not a real awakening. The liberal friends around me can't say anything positive about biden now. I suspect it'll get worse with:
I think the real awakening will happen when the major booms happen (like fauci being arrested, obama being indicted, fbi revealed as helping terrorists), but I feel it's still too early for this to happen.
Protests don't do anything. Look at France...Sri Lanka...Canada. they KNOW we're pissed. They don't care. They just ratchet up control.
Not really, and I’m not very limber anyway. Did anyone here think a jury with Clinton donors and a Judge with ties to Lisa Page would convict? Does anyone think Durham believed he would get a conviction ?
Or was he trying to demonstrate your point among other things. It is not possible to get a fair hearing against the DS in the U.S. Judicial system, especially not in DC.
In the end you are right, the DS controls the courts. The question is can it be shown these conspirators tripped up and associated with en enemy government to carry out the conspiracy? Did they violate the law of war which would permit trying them in the military system?
It’s as Trump himself said, “RIGGED!” The question remains, rigged for whom?
That's awesome, I added it to our gifs: https://greatawakening.win/p/15IEJsm60Q/x/c/4OYZPGdaK7Y