Screenshot: Leaked FBI Email Shows Government Now Requiring Firearm Retailers To Provide Home Addresses Of Customers And This Co...
After the recent abuse of power by the FBI, gun owners have every reason in the world to be distrustful of the federal government. The same FBI that just
When you buy a gun from a dealer and complete the background check information, wouldn't they already have your home address??
Absolutely, part of the information you provide is your State Driver's License number, your birthdate, and physical description. The Gun Dealer than adds whether you are, or are not known to him - and either way, the data is gathered.
The Gun Dealer than calls the ATF number, to register the sale, and passes this information over the phone to an agent, verbally - where he is then given an authorization code, that he will write on the registration form.
Did this several times, as I have a close personal friend that has a permit, and was able to score some super good wholesale prices. Depending upon where you live, there may be quite a few people who do this as a side job.
It’s so much worse in California… since there’s now a background check for buying ammo, if you buy ammo for a caliber/gun not on file (ie. You are going shooting with a friend and buy ammo to shoot in his gun) you are flagged in the system…currently nothing happens but the theory is that one day they could raid your house thinking you have illegal guns
Oh and California works with local gun (cabelas/Sportsmans warehouse) stores in Reno NV to notify CA law enforcement of California residents buying ammo who are likely taking it home. This was all told to me by a county DA’s office investigator I know. I work in social services and he is our fraud investigator.
Same thing's been going on for years concerning Illinois and surrounding state ammo sales.
Been behind IL shoppers in line at Gander Mtn & Academy and the cashier always checks for IL drivers license.
The dealer would call in only if the online NICS system was down. 99.99% of all 4473's are entered electronically into an ATF/FBI NICS system. That system will shoot back "proceed", "delay", "deny".
My point is that the information is collected more efficiently than someone verbally giving info over the phone. In fact, its been expedited. It can take less than a minute to enter info and get a response back whereas it could take 10-15 min speaking directly to an agent.
I worked at a large retail firearm chain for two years and not once called in one form.
Also, in addition to 4473's, many folks apply for CCW permits. The government already knows who owns guns and is no secret.
Well, my friend was running out of his home, and I sat next to him when he called. I can see where it would be completely impractical to have a large retail chain perform this task.
I agree that online would be far faster, and more efficient. Last firearm I purchased was about 2 years ago, and I can't imagine that they would update the entire system that soon. All I know is he called a number, identified himself and his dealer number, reported a transfer, gave make, model and SN of the firearm, then read my Driver's license number, pronounced and spelled my information. This took a couple minutes, and then he received an authorization code, that he entered in his copy of the records. I have no idea of how long he has to retain those records. I know he had online access, because I helped install the system - but for reasons I don't know, he used the phone.
To your point with the CCW, one of the reasons I got my CCW was to allow faster processing, the Gov't has my prints, name, address and the fact that I work for them - they also have my clearance data, which knows they know more about me than my wife ever will.
Do what as a side job?
FFL
My buddy has a license to buy/sell guns, and ran a business out of his home. This Gun Dealer's license allowed him to sell fully assembled guns, pistols and shotguns - but NOT to buy and assemble rifles, such as the AR - from his home. I believe the lastest requirements to get and keep this type of license is you must process 20+ transactions/year. They don't want people using this for personal use, they expect you to run a legitimate business. My friend probably sold 20 firearms/month, which is a cool $4k+/year working a few hours a week at home - with the added benefit of buying used guns in trade..
Many people do this, essentially you would go to a wholesale site, and purchase your firearm with your VISA, it would be then sent to the registered Gun Dealer on file. So, he would receive your firearm; you would then pay him a "Registration Fee" for him to take your information and register the firearm. In my case, I brought along $20 + tip, and after some paperwork, went home with my firearm.
So, run to Cabella's or Bass Pro and look at the assortment of firearms for the pistol you like. Save ~$50-150 by ordering it wholesale, wait a week for it to arrive at your buddy's place, pay him for his services, and drive home with a shiny new, in the box firearm.
Say the S&W M&P 9mm Shield for $297 with 2 clips. Or a couple of AR-15 lowers for $49 each, and build it with parts you picked up over time.
Oh, I see. Thanks. That's pretty cool. I never heard of someone selling part-time from home like that. Wish I knew someone who did. Sounds like you can save some decent $. Appreciate the answer.
Yes they do have it
I wish someone had warned me of the dangers of cleaning my gun collection, while in a canoe.
Tippy Canoe
I’ve made the same mistake, seeking the peace and quiet of the outdoors. Such a dumb mistake, they sink so fast
Kek! Those boating accidents will get you every time! 🤷🏼♀️😂
I feel like I'm missing out on a great opportunity to create submersible gun safes (with humidifiers, etc). It could technically fall off a boat and be retrievable at a future date. Hmmm.
I think they already had that data, since you provide a driver’s license when purchasing guns and ammo.
I thought there wasn't any registry... guess that went to shit.
I just have arrows.
I know we've said it before, but you might want to stock up on blasters and have some tragic boating accidents at random locations before it's too late, because your government has labeled anyone who opposes the political party in charge a domestic terrorist and knows the only way to silence them for good is to disarm them.
RIP to the first faggot in the stack.
Hmm 87000 IRS agents armed.
87,000 vs millions of armed Patriots. They lose.
20 vs 1 when they bust your door down at 2 in the morning.
True. But they won't be able to sustain that before people really wake up.
Been collecting since the Corps so not on register along with my friends from 50 year ago. We saw this coming when unnaccepted after Nam. Although No Love we are still here.
It's for denied or delayed background checks. But still completely unconstitutional and evil.
Stop letting low effort news hit the FP...
The image, aka SOURCE, is low rez.
Just buy an 80% lower and drill out the rest
scattered into ten thousand million pieces
When it gets to the SCOTUS, and it will, the owners of this treason have to be forced to explain the reason/s they made this illegal law. Because it is obvious their 'list' will never have a single name of even one of the thousands of known gang members (that are doing the shooting) that steal their firearms or buy them in the alley. 120 million honest Americans own about 400 million firearms. IF, we were he problem, there would not be a single 'criminal' left on the street.
Correct. One time when I went to a women meeting in a shooting range i have noticed even 80 year old ladies have 9 mm hiding in their clothing of course with holster. I couldn’t believe my eyes.
My assault rifle slipped out of my hands into the river while I was duck hunting.
FUD
Ststes need to regulate gun sales not the feds. Sheriff's time to detain some feds for an explanation. Put them on notice to stay the fuck out of your counties. If they have a problem with a citizen, they come to you.
What kind of background check have you ever taken that didn't have your address? This has ALWAYS been the case. Now, what they are doing with this information may be new. But you have always had to give your address to the government to purchase from a firearm's retailer.
Better get 3D printing some moar
I don't care if they DO got my address, it gonna go down just the same: COME AND TAKE IT BITCHES!!!