American investigators at the U. S. Court in Dachau, Germany, used the following methods to obtain confessions: Beatings and brutal kickings. Knocking out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials. Solitary confinement. Posturing as priests. Very limited rations. Spiritual deprivation. Promises of acquittal.
The 139 doomed men who were still alive fell into three groups. They were accused of involvement in the Dachau concentration camp crimes, in the killing of American fliers, or in the Malmedy massacres. Let me say that I believe the crimes for which these Germans were tried actually took place, and that some Germans were guilty of them.
But we should not let the indiscriminate hate of all Germans that was generated during and after the war, blind us to the necessity of punishing the guilty ones only.
After this investigation, and after talking to all sides, I do not believe that the German people knew what the German Government was doing. I am convinced the German populace had no idea what diabolical crimes that arch-fiend, Himmler, was committing in the concentration camps. From the atrocities we learned about, he must have been the very prince of devils.
But as for the Germans at large, they fought the war as loyal citizens with a fatherland to support, and a fatherland to defend.
I had an opportunity to speak to a few old people who lived in east Poland. They said that said they were relieved when the Germans marched in instead of the Russians. The Germans were smart, disciplined and mostly polite, unlike the Russians.
Thanks for the link; a well balanced and sad article. The real monsters were taken to the US (Operation Papaperclip), given new identities and put to work. It was the innocent who were left to carry the blame.
I think the Germans were stitched up after both wars. I was brought up to hate them, now I see that there are two sides to the story and a lot of lies. How many know what Eisenhover did to the German prisoners of war? As far as I know, instead of being allowed to go home they were left to starve without any shelter or medical aid for the wounded. Or that the old retired officer in charge of one of the Auschwitz camps was hanged despite inmates saying he was a decent, fair man who made sure everything was run properly and no-one was mistreated.
I learnt only recently that everything is doublespeak. Health. Defence. Government. News, etc. We also know who owns everything. And another event lesson is, when every media, online, printed, radio, as well as “Health”, and pharma push one message, I know AT LEAST the opposite deserves analysis. Then I learnt learnt about the sugar story, the lies, the “low fat” fad, the psychosis and programming is killing us, making us sick. With all of that, join the dots as to why every world war movie, the Germans were the “bad guys”….
A person that hasn't had their critical thinking skills beaten out of them will be able to think "there has to be a second side to this. Why am I not taught anything about that." History is written by the victors in war. How about the losing side? Why do we never hear from their point of view?
You've watched these same SOBs tear down statues all across the south to re-write US history. If you believe the history they wrote for WWI & WWII you are a fool.
Do you think the control of information is a recent tactic? It is as old as civilization.
They lied about the COMPLICITY of folks like Pappy Bush and other war profiteers/ideological compatriots of the Nazis here in America. The holocaust itself? They undersold it if anything. Thank God that Eisenhower forced Germans to walk through the camps and even bury bodies, etc, or else the holocaust deniers would have already "won" in this wicked world.
As it stands, the deniers can only "question" the holocaust now. I realize they stand ready with their erasers as the witnesses die off.
And only 7 minutes later, I get a response from SoMuchWinning45 that the thread serves this purpose:
...since we already recognize that "the government lies about everything"...this thread makes us understand that "it stands to reason to wonder if they've lied about the holocaust as well."
There you have it. Straight up holocaust denial. GTFO
Just a gentle reminder to all: this is a research site. We are here to discover the truth, not to generate hate towards any group of people. I trust we are all adults here and can appreciate the importance of being impartial and factual in our discussions.
My objection is to the entire TOPIC of this thread. OP is featuring and defending some nut who is waiving a "Holohoax" placard.
You understand that some glowies, clowns, etc have long been suspected of posting inflammatory stuff here@ GAW? I think Holocaust denial/"Holohoax" memes are DESIGNED to make this site look bad and discredit the REAL "research" about globalisn, elections, the cabal, etc. that this site says is it's purpose...
So what does picking arguments about the Holocaust have to do with that? Its not JUST a "research" site. ALL research isn't welcome. Some research is totally off topic, like the "research" showcased in the topic post.
We are also attempting to "red pill" the "normies" about globalism/elections/cabal etc, NOT stale historical debates with an agenda.
How convincing can we look to normies, when lowlife "Stormfront" topics are offered?
Interesting..."Greenblat"? As an Independent Baptist of German extraction, I think its interesting that we always seem to find the actual anti-Semites hanging around the pseudo-intellectual "holocaust wasn't that bad" threads.
I think Edward L. Van Roden position is more complex than "holocaust is a hoax". I only found his opinion about the so called "Malmedy Massacre".
A lot of people trying to use him to whitewash the Nazi will be particularly interested in Van Roden calling Himmler "the very prince of devils".
We can read what he wrote at: https://codoh.com/library/document/american-atrocities-in-germany/en/
Interesting points are:
I had an opportunity to speak to a few old people who lived in east Poland. They said that said they were relieved when the Germans marched in instead of the Russians. The Germans were smart, disciplined and mostly polite, unlike the Russians.
The Bolsheviks at the time.
Yes.
Thanks for the link; a well balanced and sad article. The real monsters were taken to the US (Operation Papaperclip), given new identities and put to work. It was the innocent who were left to carry the blame.
https://warontherocks.com/2019/10/the-forgotten-rocketeers-german-scientists-in-the-soviet-union-1945-1959/
The USSR got some of those Germans as well.
Wooof!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!!!!
I guess there are more truths from Europa than most think.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/s1nPYDj7KBEQ/
I think the Germans were stitched up after both wars. I was brought up to hate them, now I see that there are two sides to the story and a lot of lies. How many know what Eisenhover did to the German prisoners of war? As far as I know, instead of being allowed to go home they were left to starve without any shelter or medical aid for the wounded. Or that the old retired officer in charge of one of the Auschwitz camps was hanged despite inmates saying he was a decent, fair man who made sure everything was run properly and no-one was mistreated.
I learnt only recently that everything is doublespeak. Health. Defence. Government. News, etc. We also know who owns everything. And another event lesson is, when every media, online, printed, radio, as well as “Health”, and pharma push one message, I know AT LEAST the opposite deserves analysis. Then I learnt learnt about the sugar story, the lies, the “low fat” fad, the psychosis and programming is killing us, making us sick. With all of that, join the dots as to why every world war movie, the Germans were the “bad guys”….
A person that hasn't had their critical thinking skills beaten out of them will be able to think "there has to be a second side to this. Why am I not taught anything about that." History is written by the victors in war. How about the losing side? Why do we never hear from their point of view?
Because if you try to present it you will be accused of being a nazi lover.
Wow!
You've watched these same SOBs tear down statues all across the south to re-write US history. If you believe the history they wrote for WWI & WWII you are a fool.
Do you think the control of information is a recent tactic? It is as old as civilization.
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Is this your photo u/undine53? Where did you get it?
gab
Why is our treatment of Nazis and their fellow-citizens so important that it merits a posting on GAW?
This is an entry-point for a Stormfront-styled discussion about "6 on one hand, half-dozen on the other" apologetics for/denials of Nazi war crimes.
AND designed to make this website look like a rabid cesspool of Nazi sympathizers.
What does this post have to do with the purpose of this website? Is a thread on streudel recipes next?
We already recognize that the government lies about everything. It stands to reason to wonder if they've lied about the holocaust as well.
They lied about the COMPLICITY of folks like Pappy Bush and other war profiteers/ideological compatriots of the Nazis here in America. The holocaust itself? They undersold it if anything. Thank God that Eisenhower forced Germans to walk through the camps and even bury bodies, etc, or else the holocaust deniers would have already "won" in this wicked world.
As it stands, the deniers can only "question" the holocaust now. I realize they stand ready with their erasers as the witnesses die off.
What nonsense - no-one is sympathising with the Nazis. Getting at truth is important.
And only 7 minutes later, I get a response from SoMuchWinning45 that the thread serves this purpose:
...since we already recognize that "the government lies about everything"...this thread makes us understand that "it stands to reason to wonder if they've lied about the holocaust as well."
There you have it. Straight up holocaust denial. GTFO
“If you want to know who rules over you, look at who you are not allowed to criticize.”
― George Orwell
The truth will set you free.
-- Jesus Christ
On this thread, you're not allowed to criticize (or identify) holocaust deniers, apparently. I'm proud to be speaking truth to power here.
Just a gentle reminder to all: this is a research site. We are here to discover the truth, not to generate hate towards any group of people. I trust we are all adults here and can appreciate the importance of being impartial and factual in our discussions.
Agreed.
My objection is to the entire TOPIC of this thread. OP is featuring and defending some nut who is waiving a "Holohoax" placard.
You understand that some glowies, clowns, etc have long been suspected of posting inflammatory stuff here@ GAW? I think Holocaust denial/"Holohoax" memes are DESIGNED to make this site look bad and discredit the REAL "research" about globalisn, elections, the cabal, etc. that this site says is it's purpose...
So what does picking arguments about the Holocaust have to do with that? Its not JUST a "research" site. ALL research isn't welcome. Some research is totally off topic, like the "research" showcased in the topic post.
We are also attempting to "red pill" the "normies" about globalism/elections/cabal etc, NOT stale historical debates with an agenda.
How convincing can we look to normies, when lowlife "Stormfront" topics are offered?
Cool! Somebody thinks I won the argument.
Interesting..."Greenblat"? As an Independent Baptist of German extraction, I think its interesting that we always seem to find the actual anti-Semites hanging around the pseudo-intellectual "holocaust wasn't that bad" threads.
You're a tragedy.
“Once everything (Hortance) believes is false, our disinformation program will be complete”
~ William Casey, CIA director
Great thread.
Run for the tall grass of ad hominem if you must. A+ for the non sequitur ad hominem. Upvote for you!
That clown has issues don't he.
Oh, my bad, didn't realize this was the nazi-wannabe thread for today.
This is a research and discussion board, not an ADL summit meeting. Perhaps you need a safe space.
No ma'am I 'am' a Safe Space, trust me.
That clown has issues don't he.
🤣 that's very telling of you, hung is the correct word, he was hung from a tree, they hung Saddam Hussein.
Definitely some repressed homosexuality going on with you anon because you think about penises too much. 🤣
Good answer.
Except it's wrong.
Edited:
https://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/hanged_hung.htm
Grammer nazis are a pain at times.
So long as the intent is clear, I tend to leave it. This was an elaborate and insulting false correction, for that I'll don my swastika.
The Engrish language is dumb.
On purpose.
Get a hobby and stop being a pedantic nuisance.
Wrong
The correct term is hanged.
I agree with you. It should be hanged. It may be a slight difference between British English and American English.
The schoolmaster who taught me French in the UK always insisted on "hanged."
I stand corrected, thanks.
No you don't, you are correct.
https://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/hanged_hung.htm
I'm past caring. Much Ado About Nothing.
Way to slide the post.
Big Mike is probably well-hung.