Bioclandestine with a great take.. If we allow 2022 to end the way 2020 did, Trump will lose most of his supporters.
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“We are in perfect position. The normies have been witnessing this madness on the world stage. Anyone who is slightly objective can see what is happening. The public are primed for red pills.
However, being in position only matters if we actually see the corrective action to accompany the blatant election fraud.
If 2022 is allowed to carry on like this, the Trump base are going to jump ship, and how could we blame them?
It’s put-up or shut-up time for White Hats. Show us the goods. It’s time.”
-Clandestine
IMHO, I completely disagree with this statement.: "If 2022 is allowed to carry on like this, the Trump base are going to jump ship...." statement.
Who is Bioclandestine to speak for the many people like me? What exactly is Bioclandestine referring to when he says "If 2022 is allowed to carry on like this,..."? What are we suppose to do? And what is Trump suppose to do if 2022 is stolen?
I'm not losing my support for Trump because 2022 was stolen. I also don't believe Trump would lose his base because of it. I mean what did he have to do with the stealing of an election in the first place? He exposed it. IMHO, it's absurd to make a statement like Bioclandestine did.
In addition, who else is going to change things? I believe it is Mike Lindell and True the Vote, other organizations, and the grass roots that need to stop the election fraud. Look at the grassroots in Brazil for the example. We must end electronic voting, period.
It's not a question of Trump being to blame, but a question of 'what's the point' if cheating can happen so blatantly and nothing be done about it?
Exactly what would be different in 2024?
People will be very pissed off if his announcement is about running in '24.
Trump is the one making promises, everyone has stood by him throughout this whole shit show - time to play the Trump card methinks.
We have a saying where I'm from..."Shit, or get off the pot."
Bingo. We don’t care about who runs in 2024 right now. We are all losing faith in the election system. It is time to put up or shut up.
There's still children to save so as far as Patriots should be concerned, there's shitloads of things to be busy doing while they get the elections up to snuff. Just because the biggest rings under the elites aren't being brought down under a Whit Hat Mission From Gawd doesn't mean we don't have all the reason in the world to protect the children in your neighborhood. Get grassroots. Use the skills you learn in Hogwarts out there in the real bitch of a world. Lots to do.
There is no question of "what's the point". That is, unless you have completely surrendered to the on-going tyranny.
Your following question alludes to your surrender.
"Exactly what would be different in 2024?"
There will be a tomorrow. The sun will rise with or without you. This means the fight will go on. I will not beckon on my knees, but will stand and fight, fight, fight until my last breath.
What specific promises did Trump make that you are referring to? Trump exposed the shit show to everyone. Now, you're blaming Trump?
I'm endeavoring to explain how a lot of people will feel, which I have already seen comments to support.
I don't know what will happen between now and 2024 to make a difference, but if nothing does then why would anyone expect a different result?
Trump made a promise..'you will be happy' - I'm just one person, but I'm not exactly seeing a lot of happy people about the current situation.
It would be nice to see something tangible happen that would provide a good indicator that something will be different and that the cheating can be stopped.
Why is that too much to ask?
I agree. You'll be happy, very happy, very soon. If nothing is done between now and January 21st, this is all a ploy dragging us along like sheep. I hope I am wrong, but you can only slow walk things with these promises for so long. It's different because it's not a physically driven war with guns and enemies to kill. It's psychological and there is a breaking point even for the mentally tough.
Tenses matter
'you will be happy' = future
'current situation' = present
Let's let the future to which Trump alludes become the present, then see how happy we are
"I'm endeavoring to explain how a lot of people will feel,...."
"Feeling" is emotion that is a fleeting experience. It's there one moment and gone the next. Emotion is never cognitive. Albeit, our cognition is there to control it. It knows no morals and if left unchecked can lead to very bad things.
One does not explain emotion. It is temporary in passing. It is the cognitive thinking and the non sequitur of irrational thinking that causes people to scratch their heads for understanding. When emotion leads cognitive thought, especially when it is irrational, then some very bad things can occur.
Did Trump make a "promise" of an emotion (ergo, happy)? And precisely what was he referring to? On another thought, terror is also an emotion of fear. Is it possible to have a war on "fear' (ergo, 'war on terrorism)? Do you see how the words are played? I don't think Trump promised anything except we would become aware of the widespread corruption.
"I don't know what will happen between now and 2024 to make a difference,..."
And like the rest of us, you also didn't know what would happen prior to 2016 and any other time. None of us will know what will happen tomorrow, next week, or in the following years. It's better that you are happy to have made it through the day and that you have a clean bed for the 'promise' and expectation of a new day. Be thankful when you wake up in the morning to fight another day.
I think you're missing the point. It's not that people will surrender to tyranny, it's that people will start looking for alternative ways to fight against the tyranny. At some point the rational conclusion becomes that voting is pointless. Because, well, it is. Assuming that Q+ doesn't actually intervene with the military to fix this mess that is.
Right now the whole strategy of sitting back and posting memes & voting every 2 years in the hope that, this time, the election will surely not be rigged against us is not, in fact, delivering the goods. People will still "support" Trump of course but they're going to stop taking politics seriously because it's a fruitless endeavor. Which is our best bet at this point IMO.
People need to start building parallel systems from the ground up and stop worrying about who gets into office. We need an organic grassroots movement where people start rebuilding relationships with their neighbors and start developing + sharing skills so that we can be self-sufficient to the point where we don't need the government at all.
This is a good idea - but it does not solve the problem of tyrannical government... which would not leave you alone. They demand control and obedience.
This is where the 2nd Amendment comes into play... do you understand?
I've posted on 5 Stages of an unfolding tyranny earlier, but it's worth mentioning it again. But first, I agree with you in regards to building parallel systems. This tactic was successfully used in the Soviet era. And you are somewhat right about the limitations of posting memes. GAW itself has limitations, but it is finding new audiences too. All of these are effective, but more needs to be done.
IMV an unfolding tyranny is something that no one consciously surrenders to it. Each new day the creeping effect captures and ensnares everyone because not enough was done to stop it. It is incredibly important to recognize the stages so that no one gets tricked into an ever deepening tyranny.
There are 5 stages of a Tyranny and its psychological effects on the general public. I'll mention the first 3 stages because this is what we are dealing with right now. In an unfolding tyranny the population always finds itself initially in a state of Disbelief. As the tyranny unfolds, Anger is the next reaction the public experiences. As it quickly grows, this is the point to which the regime is most vulnerable and it needs to act to quell the growing anger. This is also the point to which the population has the best chance of overthrowing the regime and thereby ending it. The preferred method of the regime is to trick the populace in believing things have changed and the tyranny is coming to an end. This is favored over using force because doing so may ignite and only fan the flames of anger and protest/rebellion. It is the Bargain/Offer stage most prevelently used by the tyrannical regime. It is older than time immemorial itself and has been used again and again throughout history. The Bargain/offer is made between the public and the ruling regime. Sometimes a deal is made with the betrayal of an opposing leader or/and others. I'll talk about this some more later. The 4th Stage is Depression. This is when people have lost hope and start thinking irrationally. A very good example is taking the Clot shot when it is understood and kill. Yet, the individual chooses to do it anyway to save their job. It's amounts to Russian Roulette. MAGA is increasingly experiencing this stage. The last Stage is Acceptance. It's a pitiful state of accepting the tyranny imposed. This can also be exemplified by the masses accepting SADS, vax☠xine passports, and massive deaths as now being normaL.
The Bargain/Offer is perceived as 'change for the better'. It is the regime's preferred method for accomplishing this. Look at NY Governor Andrew Cuomo and how he was decapitated. At first he was venerated, then he became over-exposed and tarnished by scandal. The MSM then suddenly turned on him. The regime promised him an easy out if he agreed to fall on his sword. His resignation came with dismissal of all charges. Who replaced him? Another tyrant in Kathy Hochul. She is even more hated than Cuomo was. Look at the UK, they did the same thing with Boris Johnson as they did with Cuomo. Who replaced Johnson? Johnson's hand picked Liz Trust. In Australia the same thing happened. I believe Liz Trust is a place holder for someone else, who will not only follow the democidal policies of Johnson, but will be far more ruthless in doing so.
^^This^^
"You're gonna be very happy soon"
"The best is yet to come"
There's 2 promises. I'm sure there's more.
We all say things like this. Football coaches say similar things at half time. It's a matter of being positive. My glass is half full. I say the Beginning is near. I believe this to be true. These are not promises.
It is not about surrender. It is about stopping the slaughter and changing tactics. If there is no chance of fighting this war at the ballot box, why expend the resources and energy to do so? If Trump and company cannot do anything to fix this, then he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting back into the WH. So, what would we be accomplishing pursuing a fool's errand? If there is no correction for this election fraud issue and those responsible for it being held accountable, we know we have to reassess where we stand in preparation for the crap storm headed our way. The battlefield will have changed and we may have to fight a more gorilla tactic driven war than trying to meet head to head on the battlefield. The definition of insanity is...
FBI doomers trying to bring everyone down so we lose hope. I almost let them get to me. I have faith in God and God alone through Christ who strengthens me. Trump is God’s chosen “For such a time as this”
Agreed! Never really trusted this guy. Especially after recently trying to push Tulsi on us. And “jump ship”? To where?
Seriously, he comes off as a pompous ass
I agree. If it weren’t for Trump I wouldn’t even be aware that elections are stolen. I’m voting Trump until the walls fall down. And, one way or another, they will.
Thank you I could not have said that better myself thank you for saying that because that's exactly how I feel