“The Church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow of the earth on the moon and I have more faith in the Shadow than in the Church."
What the church says is not always the same thing as what the Bible says, unfortunately.
Magellan would have been referring to the Roman Catholic Church, which had drastically veered away from the Bible at this point. On the scientific front, they stubbornly held to Aristotle as gospel truth even when evidence suggested otherwise.
The adherence to Aristotle had to do with the geocentric view of the universe, not whether the Earth was flat. Gallileo argued for the heliocentric view, but there was no way to distinguish the two views, as they gave the same results. It took later work (measurement of stellar parallax) to determine the the Earth moved.
The Bible also did not say the earth is round. The Bible did insinuate the earth is more like a dome. Whatever... I'm here to read about vacc and such, we got more serious issues at hand.
People spend far too much time concerned about what others do and do not believe in and still try to keep people from using their OWN critical and logical thinking to come to their OWN conclusions on topics.
You can critically think all you want. If your critical thinking is wrong, it's still wrong. Facts don't care about your feelings or your beliefs on any subject.
The Bible doesn’t say the earth is a dome either. The firmament being a solid canopy is a modern invention.
Where the Bible is silent, reason and scientific evidence must be used, and all of it points to a spherical earth. The best explanation for the firmament, then, is that it is the solid crust of the earth. This crust used to be connected all the way around the earth and had an ocean of water trapped underneath it. Genesis records that God called the firmament “heaven” because Earth was supposed to be heaven, the place where God dwelled with men. And one day it will be that way again.
During the Flood, this crust ruptured, allowing the “fountains of the deep” to break out and cover the earth in water.
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Genesis 1 uses “firmament” and “firmament of the heavens”; two different phrases with two different meanings.
The Hebrew word rendered “firmament” is “raqia” a root word which means “to hammer or beat out with a hammer on an anvil”. What do you hammer out on an anvil? Metal, something both solid and dense. Firmament is used on its own to describe the action of days 2 and 3 of creation, where the firmament divides the waters. “Firmament of the heavens” used during the rest of the week to describe alternatively where the stars are created and the domain where birds fly. The word firmament by itself is not used to describe the atmosphere or outer space.
Combining this information with scientific data, the logical conclusion is the firmament is the solid crust of the earth, which used to have water both above and below. The firmament of the heavens then describes the atmosphere or outer space depending on context.
When the earth is stated to have foundations that don’t move, it’s referring to the fact that the crust had pillars that pushed through the subterranean water into the mantle, anchoring the crust to the mantle so it wouldn’t float around like a giant unstable water bed. The earth being “immovable” doesn’t refer to its lack of motion relative to other objects in outer space, it refers to Earth’s relative stability; the fact that it’s not going to randomly fall apart or blow up.
And you somehow have all seeing eyes and know what the globe or space looks like so you have the right to say it is factual earth is a certain way or form?
I know better to say "think mirror" when an individual try to stirr and divide the community by purposely picking on a subject and alienating those within the group who disagree w/ the collective, and you're one of those people.
I'll just consider it a Tuesday funny bait post and leave.
No, I have made multiple other observations about the world around me which prove Earth is not flat.
And I've considered the flat Earth arguments with an open mind, finding them to be of no substance. Every single person who pushes flat Earth is either deliberately lying (shill) or they are ignorant of basic, observable geoscience.
What other multiple observations? Because you can't see the curve from 150,000ft according to your God Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
Even the camera in the Red Bull Drop from space showed a flat plane from that height.
Every pilot, flat plane, no curve.
I may not know what the true shape is but you certainly don't either.
No bro, the government would lie about an experimental jab that's killing children in the thousands but they wouldn't lie about space or the shape of earth. That's messed up.
Show 1 picture of the entire earth from space. Not a composite. You can't. It doesn't exist. A trip to the moon and back and not 1 picture of the Earth from space?
What they present to you is stitched together photos over laid on a sphere.
Mostly you're looking at CGI to be honest as it's much easier to fool you.
The photos are fake the photos are fake!!! So why dont you all contribute to a rocket build that actually proves your theories? I cant think of a single "conspiracy theory" where people arent actively trying to prove it. Hell, ill donate to build the rocket just to shut up the crazies. But it wont happen because every influential person in that group is a con man. What happens if they actually did successfully take the picture and proved themselves wrong? Would they come clean and admit they were wrong? I doubt it.
Well I was told i was a fool for believing covid was fake from day one. I stuck to my guns and will here too. I trust God and if I'm wrong... well. I won't be.
Theres a huge diffrence between those two topics. You could say that for literally any topic. "They called me a fool for believing oxygen is poisoning us but ill stick to my guns just like when i was right that one time in the past". Theres overwhelming evidence that covid was a sham, meanwhile theres overwhelming evidence that the earth is NOT flat. You just refuse to accept these things because you distrust authority. Thousands of peoples work involves observing space. If the earth was flat there would be A LOT of evidence to prove that. But there isnt. Youve got maps you made up and rocket launches that "mysteriously failed" as if the person diddnt sabotage themselves to keep the charade going. "Sorry guys the CIA shot my rocket down youll have to keep sending me money now".
They made his ... parachute fail... ok guys the CIA shot down the parachute so i cant recover any of the footage that i worked so hard to get. No use trying again.
Why dont yall launch the rocket, then watch it with a telescope to make sure you catch the CIA UFO that shoots the next parachute down. Soooooo many oppertunities to prove yourselves and yet all you guys seem to do is circle jerk over that "flat earth map" in a dark room and mutter "the firmament! The firmament!"
It could be a dome, a realm, or more land beyond the ICE WALL aka Antartica.
Just because it's flat, does not mean it has an edge. It's really hard to wrap our mind around it and we would need to unlearn everything we learnt since toddler.
It's difficult for sure.
Start by asking questions like why is nobody allowed in Antartica? But religious leaders and politicians were always visiting Antartica, an empty place. For what purpose?
Also, the whole world could be at war w/ one another, yet they all agree on ONE thing: Keep Out of Antartica.
The Bible doesn’t say the earth is flat, despite multiple attempts to twist its words to fit flat earth theory.
“The Church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow of the earth on the moon and I have more faith in the Shadow than in the Church."
~ Ferdinand Magellan
What the church says is not always the same thing as what the Bible says, unfortunately.
Magellan would have been referring to the Roman Catholic Church, which had drastically veered away from the Bible at this point. On the scientific front, they stubbornly held to Aristotle as gospel truth even when evidence suggested otherwise.
The adherence to Aristotle had to do with the geocentric view of the universe, not whether the Earth was flat. Gallileo argued for the heliocentric view, but there was no way to distinguish the two views, as they gave the same results. It took later work (measurement of stellar parallax) to determine the the Earth moved.
He thinks he saw the shadow of the earth. He saw a shadow but has no proof it came from the earth.
pro-vaxxers: correlation!
but the big take away from that Magellan quote, is that "flat Earth" was actually an official Church position, not that long ago.
and yes, there are numerous verses in the bible that are used to support flat earth model.
The Bible also did not say the earth is round. The Bible did insinuate the earth is more like a dome. Whatever... I'm here to read about vacc and such, we got more serious issues at hand.
Maybe its round on one side, flat on the other.
People spend far too much time concerned about what others do and do not believe in and still try to keep people from using their OWN critical and logical thinking to come to their OWN conclusions on topics.
You can critically think all you want. If your critical thinking is wrong, it's still wrong. Facts don't care about your feelings or your beliefs on any subject.
This forum isn't about "vacc and such". It's about Q and what they have posted and theories about what they have posted.
The Bible doesn’t say the earth is a dome either. The firmament being a solid canopy is a modern invention.
Where the Bible is silent, reason and scientific evidence must be used, and all of it points to a spherical earth. The best explanation for the firmament, then, is that it is the solid crust of the earth. This crust used to be connected all the way around the earth and had an ocean of water trapped underneath it. Genesis records that God called the firmament “heaven” because Earth was supposed to be heaven, the place where God dwelled with men. And one day it will be that way again.
During the Flood, this crust ruptured, allowing the “fountains of the deep” to break out and cover the earth in water.
Isaiah 40:22
True it describes something that isn't a globe, Doesn't move, and has a firmament.
Heavens biblically is anywhere above earth.
Heaven and earth referred to together any times.
Firmament does not equal heaven.
Genesis 1 uses “firmament” and “firmament of the heavens”; two different phrases with two different meanings.
The Hebrew word rendered “firmament” is “raqia” a root word which means “to hammer or beat out with a hammer on an anvil”. What do you hammer out on an anvil? Metal, something both solid and dense. Firmament is used on its own to describe the action of days 2 and 3 of creation, where the firmament divides the waters. “Firmament of the heavens” used during the rest of the week to describe alternatively where the stars are created and the domain where birds fly. The word firmament by itself is not used to describe the atmosphere or outer space.
Combining this information with scientific data, the logical conclusion is the firmament is the solid crust of the earth, which used to have water both above and below. The firmament of the heavens then describes the atmosphere or outer space depending on context.
When the earth is stated to have foundations that don’t move, it’s referring to the fact that the crust had pillars that pushed through the subterranean water into the mantle, anchoring the crust to the mantle so it wouldn’t float around like a giant unstable water bed. The earth being “immovable” doesn’t refer to its lack of motion relative to other objects in outer space, it refers to Earth’s relative stability; the fact that it’s not going to randomly fall apart or blow up.
They get mad when u take their ball away
Not triggered, just working against the mass deception that is modern flat Earth theory.
In addition to being factually incorrect, it was deliberately seeded by bad actors. They want truth-seeking communities like GAW to look foolish.
The moon landings were fake, in case anyone was wondering
Here we go again.....
Nope, the landing happened.
The true purpose of the mission was concealed, and some of the footage we see is fake.
Spot on. I have always said this
I've believed similar, likely because the technology to get to the moon would be orders of magnitude beyond what would have been known at the time.
"False, moon landings are real. Programs exist that are outside of public domain."
And you somehow have all seeing eyes and know what the globe or space looks like so you have the right to say it is factual earth is a certain way or form?
I know better to say "think mirror" when an individual try to stirr and divide the community by purposely picking on a subject and alienating those within the group who disagree w/ the collective, and you're one of those people.
I'll just consider it a Tuesday funny bait post and leave.
No, I have made multiple other observations about the world around me which prove Earth is not flat.
And I've considered the flat Earth arguments with an open mind, finding them to be of no substance. Every single person who pushes flat Earth is either deliberately lying (shill) or they are ignorant of basic, observable geoscience.
What other multiple observations? Because you can't see the curve from 150,000ft according to your God Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Even the camera in the Red Bull Drop from space showed a flat plane from that height. Every pilot, flat plane, no curve. I may not know what the true shape is but you certainly don't either.
Does your observation include the fact that WATER DOESN'T BEND? lol
Good you have deceived yourself. Many do.
No bro, the government would lie about an experimental jab that's killing children in the thousands but they wouldn't lie about space or the shape of earth. That's messed up.
This. If the flat earth community were serious about their theory all they have to do is build a rocket. But they dont because they know its bs.
Show 1 picture of the entire earth from space. Not a composite. You can't. It doesn't exist. A trip to the moon and back and not 1 picture of the Earth from space?
What they present to you is stitched together photos over laid on a sphere.
Mostly you're looking at CGI to be honest as it's much easier to fool you.
Except for all of those photographs of the Earth that you conveniently claim were faked; meaning that you cannot be disproven.
The photos are fake the photos are fake!!! So why dont you all contribute to a rocket build that actually proves your theories? I cant think of a single "conspiracy theory" where people arent actively trying to prove it. Hell, ill donate to build the rocket just to shut up the crazies. But it wont happen because every influential person in that group is a con man. What happens if they actually did successfully take the picture and proved themselves wrong? Would they come clean and admit they were wrong? I doubt it.
Well I was told i was a fool for believing covid was fake from day one. I stuck to my guns and will here too. I trust God and if I'm wrong... well. I won't be.
Theres a huge diffrence between those two topics. You could say that for literally any topic. "They called me a fool for believing oxygen is poisoning us but ill stick to my guns just like when i was right that one time in the past". Theres overwhelming evidence that covid was a sham, meanwhile theres overwhelming evidence that the earth is NOT flat. You just refuse to accept these things because you distrust authority. Thousands of peoples work involves observing space. If the earth was flat there would be A LOT of evidence to prove that. But there isnt. Youve got maps you made up and rocket launches that "mysteriously failed" as if the person diddnt sabotage themselves to keep the charade going. "Sorry guys the CIA shot my rocket down youll have to keep sending me money now".
They did, freaking CIA clowns made his parachute fail.
They made his ... parachute fail... ok guys the CIA shot down the parachute so i cant recover any of the footage that i worked so hard to get. No use trying again.
Why dont yall launch the rocket, then watch it with a telescope to make sure you catch the CIA UFO that shoots the next parachute down. Soooooo many oppertunities to prove yourselves and yet all you guys seem to do is circle jerk over that "flat earth map" in a dark room and mutter "the firmament! The firmament!"
Eh, if you think the earth is flat, I challenge you to find the edge and send pictures.
Yes. Both find the edge and explain the 24-hour day at the South Pole.
Watch the videos, they aren't showing a 24 hour day. It's close, 18-20 hours, but they cut a segment and loop.
Challenge you to circumnavigate the globe and prove its round. Prove they told you the truth.
You're the one making a claim that counters prevailing knowledge, the burden of proof is on you.
It could be a dome, a realm, or more land beyond the ICE WALL aka Antartica.
Just because it's flat, does not mean it has an edge. It's really hard to wrap our mind around it and we would need to unlearn everything we learnt since toddler.
It's difficult for sure.
Start by asking questions like why is nobody allowed in Antartica? But religious leaders and politicians were always visiting Antartica, an empty place. For what purpose?
Also, the whole world could be at war w/ one another, yet they all agree on ONE thing: Keep Out of Antartica.
WHY?
Only idiots use the edge of earth line.
If its a dome you could get a pic of the wall at the edge.
You are a FE tard??
You have a good post history.
What do?
Stay on Q.