If you study the various scenarios that the folks touting the PS are laying out, then these people are building their shelters in the wrong places. You certainly wouldn't be building on top of a volcanic island chain like Hawaii. Same with New Zealand.
So it's my opinion only that these shelters are not being built for a Polar Shift, but more likely to hide from the villagers when they come for their heads.
“Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.’”
can't disagree with this of course, but the challenge I have is the specific details. I pray for discernment from God concerning these potential events and I'm drawn to what appears to be a somewhat practical move of higher ground as close to my home as possible. Is that specific actions I can take to keep my family alive during an event in the bible, of course not. This comment is true but comes off a bit 'holy roller' instead of practical answers. Proverbs talks extensively about wisdom and discernment. I'm trying to leverage both for the safety of my family and patriots alike. No love loss fren.
I think that is the more likely scenario. Fear for what is coming for them, whether they understand it or not. Although our pole star does change over time, the full cycle is around 26,000 years. A few years ago, I remember seeing an article that mentioned the North Pole had moved over 60 miles in what to me seemed like a short amount of time. My dad was in the Air Force and afterwards worked for the FAA for several decades until he retired. But I remember him telling me they had to constantly recalibrate the equipment used by the planes using auto-pilot because the celestial poles never stop moving in the earth's normal axial precession. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession
Regarding Hawaii, you have to understand that the island chain was formed by the underlying crustal plate moving over a deeper magma hot spot. Midway Island was the first, working down to Kaua'i, O'ahu, Moloka'i, Maui, and the big island of Hawai'i. A new island is building to the southeast of Hawai'i. Once the plate moves an island off the hot spot, the volcanoes go extinct and remain so. The big island is 0.4 million years old, but Kaua'i is 5 million years old.
Bottom line: If Zuckerberg builds on an older island, that would be ideal to NOT experience volcanism.
I take no issue over the wisdom of any such construction. It looks to me like an affliction (or fad) of the wealthy who have anxiety problems.
could be indeed. i am learning, and evidence in nature would kinda support it, that we are seeing a cycle possibly come to fruition in our lifetime. we've been around for a short time imho. no denying that rock we live on was created. by a creator. in what manner is the question. it's hard to be a deep believer of the bible (in it's "current form" which is a whole other thing) and be able to observe the world without 'expanding out thinking.' I'm guessing these cycles have been occurring many times over... does the current time derive from our creator? I don't know. just trying to expand my thinking.
Oh, and you were there to bear witness? Or who was? You do know there are stars we observe that are farther away than 10,000 light-years? They had to exist that long ago in order for their light to arrive today. And that's not the farthest distance we observe, either.
That could definitely be a problem, along with typhoons. The south coast of Kaua'i had a nice enclave of beachside hotels at Poipu Beach in the 1980s. There was a serious typhoon. When I revisited a decade later, the hotels we stayed in were abandoned ruins, off limits to passers-by. Quite a shame.
However, that is always the problem with frontage on the Pacific Ocean. No easier for California, Oregon, Washington, or Alaska. Not to mention earthquakes (e.g., Anchorage in 1964).
There's not nearly enough elevation to survive the polar shift in the move of the ocean. I think a lot of people are commenting and not actually looking at the videos with the maps. Let me find those postings. Seeing the maps changed my perspective completely. Granted that's just one model but you can apply intuition and logic
As a reply, and I'm no authority on Pole Shift, there are two scenarios (likely more) that I've heard from those putting out scenarios. One from Suspicious Observers and one from Diehold Foundation. Both are similar in that they believe the earth rapidly slows down it's rotation, which would allow for the water in the various oceans to continue proceeding East given that's the direction the earth spins. So oceans would surge from west to east. The west coast and I'm "assuming" islands in the Pacific would be overflowed by the tsunami's that are estimated to become a few thousand feet in height. I'm not saying this is based in scientific fact, I'm merely repeating what I thought I heard.
Diehold theory is that the earth stops rotating (poles don't shift) due to a Sun Nova that hits in the Indian Ocean and causes the evaporation of billions of tons of water into the atmosphere. The Tsunami's happen as above BUT the earth rapidly cools due to the water in the atmosphere and we enter an Ice Age where everywhere but near the equator (+- 10 degrees) gets covered in Ice & snow fairly rapidly. Now perhaps Zuck is going to stay below and has doors strong enough for a few thousand feet of ocean above them and then after they recede, he'll be in a decent position to survive even though he's at the edge of the range from the equator that Diehold estimates will survive. Who knows. But the above was my rationale for my previous statement, just fyi. As an aside, not sure what happens to the plates if the earth were to suddenly stop it's rotation?
What utter BS from people who don't understand the math involved. The force needed to overcome the rotational momentum of the Earth in a timeline we could observe would tear the planet apart. Bunkers would be useless.
Indeed. A reduction in rotational speed to a notable magnitude would have to gradually happen over uncountable years in order for the Earth to actually survive it, and certainly oceans would not be surging from it.
"Science" like this is all speculative theory with no actual observable facts backing them, so when one makes statements as above that ignores observable and much more replicable physics, it comes across as clear fear mongering and that's not beneficial to anyone except the elites.
I do appreciate the posters editorial on what he's seen from others. I'd never heard about the Earth stopping rotation, and I also would call full BS on that. Suspicious observers quotes all of his studies and the multitude of other observations. Ben would tell you do your own research. I've been doing my own research I find some very weird things like, don't tell me the Grand canyon was formed over millions of years from a little tiny fucking river. That was formed from somebody draining the plug very quickly. Much like lake lahaten in Nevada was formed and drained very quickly also. This is exactly why I posted, to use the hive mind and learn as much as I possibly could as quickly as I possibly could
Also let us remember we are on a mult-layered onion here... the mantle and core are liqued and much more likely to shift based on magnetic forces than the surface in my understanding... but let's also remember we're supposed to be on this journey together as frens.
The Diehold Foundation has done extensive soil testing at extreme depths, throughout the World, and the samples show the general same layering of soils and rock at the same depths. Something occurred and if you research solar cycles the general consensus is the Earth slowed xx # of years ago and the cycle is approximately every 11,400 years (if I remember correctly). This 11,400 years is the year 2030 -2040 +/- I think there is a reason for Agenda 2030 and we are not a part of the club…. I believe the (rich and powerful) think it’s going to occur again very soon and they are preparing….
Correct - there appears to be a 'char' layer at the depth which correlates with the ending of the ice age, which happened about 10,000BC or about 12,000 years ago. Below this 'char' layer you find bones of all the big stuff that was here during the ice age and not now - saber toothed tigers, wooly mammoths, etc. all the big stuff that is extinct. So you dig down and you only find their bones below that char layer, and none above that layer. So that's why they say there was potentially another earth-altering massive event only at 10,000BC. Which is wild because it's pretty much the same timeline as when 'civilization started due to the agricultural revolution' based on the mainstream story - but maybe it was because there was a reset that wiped the earth clean and only a few survived.
I have watched some of the suspicious observers yt videos. I believe they are betting on people surviving who live in specific areas of Arizona. Not that I think this will happen.
Yeah we're kind of taking a best guess here at this point, but he has access along with many other researchers to modeling platforms that they've done some pretty extensive work with in terms of sea level rise. It's the sloshing back and forth/tsunami that will be questionable... Again we're all just trying to expand our thinking here
Dude that is not fucking possible. The Earth rotates at a constant speed in space. It's not going to slow itself down and then speed back up to the normal speed because of the magnetic pole shifting. The most likely scenario that results in the Earth's speed of rotation being affected would be something hitting the planet with enough mass and force just the right angle and with just enough momentum and with just enough mass to slow it down without knocking it out of orbit.
not fucking possible [based on what I have learned in school about celestial mechanics]
Plenty of evidence that there's a lot more going on up there than just dead rocks floating around in space - are you familiar with the Electric Universe theory? Quite interesting indeed:
We've actually sped up, but just slightly, after having slowed slightly over eons. I agree with you, though. I think it would take something massive hitting us to create this kind of destruction--an extinction level event. Or something massive passing closely enough to affect us and change our orbit or destroy our moon. Perhaps even some massive ejection hitting us from the sun. But I don't lose sleep over any of those ideas because I think they aren't likely to happen in my lifetime. We're more likely to die from cancer, heart disease, pneumonia or the common flu than anything else. (Or the stupidity from our own government.) Either way, I'd encourage people to enjoy life as much as they can, love the people around you, do your research and follow your intuition on how to prepare. I don't waste my life living in fear. It's too short as it is. But I have prepared for more common man-made disasters as best I can. And that did mean moving my family to a more rural area with plenty of clean air, clean water, hunting and fishing, and people with a more conservative mindset than the cities. Which has been the right thing to do for us.
Oh boy. I know the mods don’t like it so I won’t say it but holy shit guys, seriously wake up and realize the world you live on. Stop regurgitating their deception
Those of us who fly to the other side of the planet and get to look at stars which cannot be seen in the northern hemisphere are perfectly awake. We can make phone calls home that are 10 hours advanced, to wake up people here.
History and science would show otherwise. Please watch the videos. Do research. One of the biggest things that has bugged me is the fact that they found tropical plants and fucking antarctica? That makes no sense to me unless our equator has shifted over time. The core is what the moon is attracted to everything else is just floating on the surface from a mass standpoint.
Tropical plants on Antarctica are no problem, once you accept that Antarctica wasn't originally on the south pole, but migrated there from continental drift (or Earth expansion).
The equator is fixed by our vector of angular momentum, which is pretty much unchangeable.
The Moon is attracted to all the mass of the Earth, not just the core. You need to learn about gravity.
well... Ben of Suspicious OBSERVERS is seeing the elites do things. did ya watch the video Cats? Bezo's has a huge system in a mountain next to a rocket launching location. he wouldn't need that to keep angry patriots away. he wouldn't need any of that. If they were aware of a MUCH larger event forthcoming, THEN they would consider the massive expense of doing what they are doing. but hey, i'm just trying to expand my thinking here...
If you study the various scenarios that the folks touting the PS are laying out, then these people are building their shelters in the wrong places. You certainly wouldn't be building on top of a volcanic island chain like Hawaii. Same with New Zealand.
So it's my opinion only that these shelters are not being built for a Polar Shift, but more likely to hide from the villagers when they come for their heads.
Interesting..
“Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.’”
Revelation 6:15-16
Those are very intriguing Bible versus.
Verses. And we aren’t there yet.
If people would read the bible, and try to understand what Jesus was revealing, they wouldn't be surprised at what is happening right now.
can't disagree with this of course, but the challenge I have is the specific details. I pray for discernment from God concerning these potential events and I'm drawn to what appears to be a somewhat practical move of higher ground as close to my home as possible. Is that specific actions I can take to keep my family alive during an event in the bible, of course not. This comment is true but comes off a bit 'holy roller' instead of practical answers. Proverbs talks extensively about wisdom and discernment. I'm trying to leverage both for the safety of my family and patriots alike. No love loss fren.
I think that is the more likely scenario. Fear for what is coming for them, whether they understand it or not. Although our pole star does change over time, the full cycle is around 26,000 years. A few years ago, I remember seeing an article that mentioned the North Pole had moved over 60 miles in what to me seemed like a short amount of time. My dad was in the Air Force and afterwards worked for the FAA for several decades until he retired. But I remember him telling me they had to constantly recalibrate the equipment used by the planes using auto-pilot because the celestial poles never stop moving in the earth's normal axial precession. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession
great insight! thank you
Regarding Hawaii, you have to understand that the island chain was formed by the underlying crustal plate moving over a deeper magma hot spot. Midway Island was the first, working down to Kaua'i, O'ahu, Moloka'i, Maui, and the big island of Hawai'i. A new island is building to the southeast of Hawai'i. Once the plate moves an island off the hot spot, the volcanoes go extinct and remain so. The big island is 0.4 million years old, but Kaua'i is 5 million years old.
Bottom line: If Zuckerberg builds on an older island, that would be ideal to NOT experience volcanism.
I take no issue over the wisdom of any such construction. It looks to me like an affliction (or fad) of the wealthy who have anxiety problems.
at most it's about 6000 years old.
I'm sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about. I've seen Kaua'i more than once. Far more erosion than 6,000 years.
Assuming that it wasn't just created that way.
Created with age is a thing. Adam was 33 at Creation. Trees were full size. Chicken before the egg. Go to ICR.org.
Less than 10,000 years old…. Millions of years is another lie.
could be indeed. i am learning, and evidence in nature would kinda support it, that we are seeing a cycle possibly come to fruition in our lifetime. we've been around for a short time imho. no denying that rock we live on was created. by a creator. in what manner is the question. it's hard to be a deep believer of the bible (in it's "current form" which is a whole other thing) and be able to observe the world without 'expanding out thinking.' I'm guessing these cycles have been occurring many times over... does the current time derive from our creator? I don't know. just trying to expand my thinking.
Oh, and you were there to bear witness? Or who was? You do know there are stars we observe that are farther away than 10,000 light-years? They had to exist that long ago in order for their light to arrive today. And that's not the farthest distance we observe, either.
You make a good point and I think it's correct. One thing I would not be too excited about on Hawaii is the possibility of tsunamis.
That could definitely be a problem, along with typhoons. The south coast of Kaua'i had a nice enclave of beachside hotels at Poipu Beach in the 1980s. There was a serious typhoon. When I revisited a decade later, the hotels we stayed in were abandoned ruins, off limits to passers-by. Quite a shame.
However, that is always the problem with frontage on the Pacific Ocean. No easier for California, Oregon, Washington, or Alaska. Not to mention earthquakes (e.g., Anchorage in 1964).
There's not nearly enough elevation to survive the polar shift in the move of the ocean. I think a lot of people are commenting and not actually looking at the videos with the maps. Let me find those postings. Seeing the maps changed my perspective completely. Granted that's just one model but you can apply intuition and logic
Why would a magnetic pole shift trigger vulcanism anyway? And no the Earth is not going to flip over, not as long as the Moon is here anchoring it.
As a reply, and I'm no authority on Pole Shift, there are two scenarios (likely more) that I've heard from those putting out scenarios. One from Suspicious Observers and one from Diehold Foundation. Both are similar in that they believe the earth rapidly slows down it's rotation, which would allow for the water in the various oceans to continue proceeding East given that's the direction the earth spins. So oceans would surge from west to east. The west coast and I'm "assuming" islands in the Pacific would be overflowed by the tsunami's that are estimated to become a few thousand feet in height. I'm not saying this is based in scientific fact, I'm merely repeating what I thought I heard. Diehold theory is that the earth stops rotating (poles don't shift) due to a Sun Nova that hits in the Indian Ocean and causes the evaporation of billions of tons of water into the atmosphere. The Tsunami's happen as above BUT the earth rapidly cools due to the water in the atmosphere and we enter an Ice Age where everywhere but near the equator (+- 10 degrees) gets covered in Ice & snow fairly rapidly. Now perhaps Zuck is going to stay below and has doors strong enough for a few thousand feet of ocean above them and then after they recede, he'll be in a decent position to survive even though he's at the edge of the range from the equator that Diehold estimates will survive. Who knows. But the above was my rationale for my previous statement, just fyi. As an aside, not sure what happens to the plates if the earth were to suddenly stop it's rotation?
What utter BS from people who don't understand the math involved. The force needed to overcome the rotational momentum of the Earth in a timeline we could observe would tear the planet apart. Bunkers would be useless.
Indeed. A reduction in rotational speed to a notable magnitude would have to gradually happen over uncountable years in order for the Earth to actually survive it, and certainly oceans would not be surging from it.
"Science" like this is all speculative theory with no actual observable facts backing them, so when one makes statements as above that ignores observable and much more replicable physics, it comes across as clear fear mongering and that's not beneficial to anyone except the elites.
They want us ignorant and scared.
I do appreciate the posters editorial on what he's seen from others. I'd never heard about the Earth stopping rotation, and I also would call full BS on that. Suspicious observers quotes all of his studies and the multitude of other observations. Ben would tell you do your own research. I've been doing my own research I find some very weird things like, don't tell me the Grand canyon was formed over millions of years from a little tiny fucking river. That was formed from somebody draining the plug very quickly. Much like lake lahaten in Nevada was formed and drained very quickly also. This is exactly why I posted, to use the hive mind and learn as much as I possibly could as quickly as I possibly could
Also let us remember we are on a mult-layered onion here... the mantle and core are liqued and much more likely to shift based on magnetic forces than the surface in my understanding... but let's also remember we're supposed to be on this journey together as frens.
Conservation of angular momentum says this is hogwash.
The Diehold Foundation has done extensive soil testing at extreme depths, throughout the World, and the samples show the general same layering of soils and rock at the same depths. Something occurred and if you research solar cycles the general consensus is the Earth slowed xx # of years ago and the cycle is approximately every 11,400 years (if I remember correctly). This 11,400 years is the year 2030 -2040 +/- I think there is a reason for Agenda 2030 and we are not a part of the club…. I believe the (rich and powerful) think it’s going to occur again very soon and they are preparing….
Correct - there appears to be a 'char' layer at the depth which correlates with the ending of the ice age, which happened about 10,000BC or about 12,000 years ago. Below this 'char' layer you find bones of all the big stuff that was here during the ice age and not now - saber toothed tigers, wooly mammoths, etc. all the big stuff that is extinct. So you dig down and you only find their bones below that char layer, and none above that layer. So that's why they say there was potentially another earth-altering massive event only at 10,000BC. Which is wild because it's pretty much the same timeline as when 'civilization started due to the agricultural revolution' based on the mainstream story - but maybe it was because there was a reset that wiped the earth clean and only a few survived.
I have watched some of the suspicious observers yt videos. I believe they are betting on people surviving who live in specific areas of Arizona. Not that I think this will happen.
Yeah we're kind of taking a best guess here at this point, but he has access along with many other researchers to modeling platforms that they've done some pretty extensive work with in terms of sea level rise. It's the sloshing back and forth/tsunami that will be questionable... Again we're all just trying to expand our thinking here
Dude that is not fucking possible. The Earth rotates at a constant speed in space. It's not going to slow itself down and then speed back up to the normal speed because of the magnetic pole shifting. The most likely scenario that results in the Earth's speed of rotation being affected would be something hitting the planet with enough mass and force just the right angle and with just enough momentum and with just enough mass to slow it down without knocking it out of orbit.
Or an outside body with the right characteristics, passing by at the right distance.
not fucking possible [based on what I have learned in school about celestial mechanics]
Plenty of evidence that there's a lot more going on up there than just dead rocks floating around in space - are you familiar with the Electric Universe theory? Quite interesting indeed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESKOjfMKaMQ
We've actually sped up, but just slightly, after having slowed slightly over eons. I agree with you, though. I think it would take something massive hitting us to create this kind of destruction--an extinction level event. Or something massive passing closely enough to affect us and change our orbit or destroy our moon. Perhaps even some massive ejection hitting us from the sun. But I don't lose sleep over any of those ideas because I think they aren't likely to happen in my lifetime. We're more likely to die from cancer, heart disease, pneumonia or the common flu than anything else. (Or the stupidity from our own government.) Either way, I'd encourage people to enjoy life as much as they can, love the people around you, do your research and follow your intuition on how to prepare. I don't waste my life living in fear. It's too short as it is. But I have prepared for more common man-made disasters as best I can. And that did mean moving my family to a more rural area with plenty of clean air, clean water, hunting and fishing, and people with a more conservative mindset than the cities. Which has been the right thing to do for us.
Oh boy. I know the mods don’t like it so I won’t say it but holy shit guys, seriously wake up and realize the world you live on. Stop regurgitating their deception
Those of us who fly to the other side of the planet and get to look at stars which cannot be seen in the northern hemisphere are perfectly awake. We can make phone calls home that are 10 hours advanced, to wake up people here.
Case in point. Back to sleep. You’ll wake up with the rest of them.
History and science would show otherwise. Please watch the videos. Do research. One of the biggest things that has bugged me is the fact that they found tropical plants and fucking antarctica? That makes no sense to me unless our equator has shifted over time. The core is what the moon is attracted to everything else is just floating on the surface from a mass standpoint.
Tropical plants on Antarctica are no problem, once you accept that Antarctica wasn't originally on the south pole, but migrated there from continental drift (or Earth expansion).
The equator is fixed by our vector of angular momentum, which is pretty much unchangeable.
The Moon is attracted to all the mass of the Earth, not just the core. You need to learn about gravity.
WAIT WAIT WAIT
What moron thinks that these "elites" are preparing for a MAGNETIC POLAR SHIFT?? that's stupid
well... Ben of Suspicious OBSERVERS is seeing the elites do things. did ya watch the video Cats? Bezo's has a huge system in a mountain next to a rocket launching location. he wouldn't need that to keep angry patriots away. he wouldn't need any of that. If they were aware of a MUCH larger event forthcoming, THEN they would consider the massive expense of doing what they are doing. but hey, i'm just trying to expand my thinking here...
I remember reading how we built inflatable tanks to fool the Germans.
Not sure why that comes to mind.