Happy Starlink customer here! It's a bit expensive, and not as fast as fiber, but does VOIP for the phones with no issues, plays movies with no issues, and supports the "Rocket Man" instead of the terrestrial players.
Waiting for phone service (T-Mobil's service is very poor out where I live so can't be on board with their partnership in that).
If I had the cash and the lifestyle, the place I see value is the mobile hotspots.
I imagine it'd be pretty rad to go out into the wilderness camping with some friends and family and having access to halfway decent internet, certainly better than the internet used to be on copper.
It is not as fast as fiber in either bandwidth or latency, and you would be delusional to think it would be. FttP (fiber to the premises) is much faster than anything Starlink puts out.
Starlink max throughput is 40-220 Mbps down / 8-25 Mbps up with 25-60ms latency per their documentation
Fiber has a higher maximum throughput (100 Gbps options, which is not the ceiling) and best case latency in the low micro-seconds. Starlink simply cannot compete on that front -- and nor is it trying to.
These are also numbers on their fixed options; they list latency at <99ms for mobile, which is much slower than cable.
But it's also not as fast as cable, which is why I included the cable latency numbers too. It's not even as fast as DSL.
It IS like than 10x better than the next best satellite services (clocking between like 680-700ms?)
Again I think it's really cool tech and as a nerd I'm fully willing to nerd out about how much better it is than the competition and the potential benefits to resolving a lot of issues though!
It's not even close to a monopoly. Satellite TV networks have offered internet for years. It's not Elons fault that their internet service is dog shit.
I'll be willing to grant them that technology has advanced since most of their satellites likely went up, and that gives Elon an advantage there.
But I'm also not sure why they think they can get away with punishing someone when no one else is even trying to compete.
It's not a monopoly when literally no one is doing the same thing.
If I run a shoe repair shop (random example) in a small town, I don't have a monopoly just because I'm the only one doing it, I would be a monopoly if I bought up all of the competition and made deals to actively prevent others from competing.
I also wouldn't have a monopoly just because I do it better than the competition either.
That's true. There are several sat internet providers. Hughesnet and Viasat come to mind
It's not Musk's fault that theirs is fucking bullshit and Starlink is actually good from what I've heard
It's called competition thru technological innovation. It's the actual reason our patent system even exists
Musk's system offers incredible downlink/uplink speed and low latency. Traditional sat internet has decent down/up but their latency is SO HORRIFIC that it's only good for streaming video once it has begun.
Normal web browsing on sat internet is glacial and a horrible experience. We're talking 1500ms just to begin to contact a server...sometimes web assets take in excess of 20 seconds to load. Modern websites often have in excess of 200-300 assets to load (images, javascripts, css files)
This. Starlink is legitimately better than landline internet I have to say just because you get the same speed if not better and you can get it literally anywhere in the country and you can take it with you wherever you want to go without having to have some monkey come out to drill a hole in your wall. And all the other satellite providers suck ass and they limit your data and they are slow as molasses. But now after having starlink you couldn't pay me to go back to CenturyLink or Xfinity
There are other options, their inability to compete is is on them...
FCC is into swinging it's detachable penis around of late, check out how they stifle GMRS users over the late couple months. They no want us talking to each other.
NEWS: FCC chair Jessica Rosenworcel said today she wants to see more competition to @SpaceX's Starlink.
Rosenworcel: "Our economy doesn't benefit from monopolies. So we've got to invite many more space actors in, many more companies that can develop constellations and innovations in space."
Yep, it's called innovation. It's why our patent system exists. The left is fucking stupid. Trump's administration would never hire someone so short sighted, petty, jealous and vile
(but I hope he does, next time...in reverse! turnabout is fair play, gents)
This is about going after Elon Musk for X and his support of Trump
This whole thing is another example of weaponized government for political porpoises.
Do people re-read the headings they put on these posts? It's so irritating when there are grammatical errors, spelling errors, wrong word usage, etc...Maybe it's being a product of public education?
It's the criminal cabal machine against the people once again. Like goggle hasn't been a monopoly all these years? Thank goodness the chevron law was overturned. FCC is just the arm of the globalist mfers.
Good luck trying to shut it off. He’ll get injunctions that will sail starlink right through the blackouts. Either that or he’ll switch it on during the blackouts. This is a white hat base. They won’t be allows for take it. Now we know where the new sealed indictments should focus.
So what. Try to stop starlink. It's up in space. FCC going to shoot them down?
Say they send in the swat team to starlink HQ
All Musk has to do is make the starlink operations constantly MOBILE and hide their whereabouts.
Could be a decentralized series of tractor trailers driving around with hidden Starlink antennas in their roofs, and these tractor trailers can even just be relays with no one inside other than the two drivers, running in shifts with comf sleep in the back (not the vehicle but the actual container)...it could be REALLY nice inside so they can drive continuously, and have aux solar on the top also
These would be used to manage administration that needs to be relayed in teh states, but they could have the main HQs outside of the jurisdiction of the US in countries with no extradition policy like seychelles or iceland I think
If the government is not going to enforce our laws equivalently for both side of the poliitical spectrum; and create winners and losers; and act in a monopolistic totalitarian way; and censor people; and steal elections
I REALLY DONT SEE WHY starlink should comply with FCC. Until this government is restored to constitutional modality and operations; until it is made WHOLE again, they shouldn't do anything the gov says
Like Trump, Musk should also assume the CIA and AT&T is going to try to assassinate him. It's weird, he's kind of covertly a cia non offical cover for one faction, but there are other factions of cia that also want to kill him
The fact that the most inefficient, the most ineffective, most wasteful entity on this planet [the government] gets to rule who is and isn't qualified is wild to me lol
Yeah well good luck with them trying to regulate it. It's not like they can shoot all the satellites down out of the sky they don't have control over his infrastructure
I suspect this will go down like the Sirius and XM merger hearings did. A satalite version of a service still needs to compete with the terrestrial ones. Starlink still needs to compete with AT&T, Spectrum, Cox, WOWAY, etc…
The FCC itself is a violation of our First Amendment rights.
Maybe Elon Musk can slap the FCC into the corner where they belong
It shouldn’t be that hard to do.
Happy Starlink customer here! It's a bit expensive, and not as fast as fiber, but does VOIP for the phones with no issues, plays movies with no issues, and supports the "Rocket Man" instead of the terrestrial players.
Waiting for phone service (T-Mobil's service is very poor out where I live so can't be on board with their partnership in that).
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If I had the cash and the lifestyle, the place I see value is the mobile hotspots.
I imagine it'd be pretty rad to go out into the wilderness camping with some friends and family and having access to halfway decent internet, certainly better than the internet used to be on copper.
Starlink is way better than halfway decent internet. It's just as fast as cable internet, including latency
It is not as fast as fiber in either bandwidth or latency, and you would be delusional to think it would be. FttP (fiber to the premises) is much faster than anything Starlink puts out.
Starlink max throughput is 40-220 Mbps down / 8-25 Mbps up with 25-60ms latency per their documentation
Fiber has a higher maximum throughput (100 Gbps options, which is not the ceiling) and best case latency in the low micro-seconds. Starlink simply cannot compete on that front -- and nor is it trying to.
These are also numbers on their fixed options; they list latency at <99ms for mobile, which is much slower than cable.
You can see according to the FCC's 2021 Fixed Broadband report that latency is notably lower even for services like Frontier's DSL, which is ~11ms.
Expected latency of cable is 13-27ms, substantially lower than Starlink's range. Expected latency of fiber is 10-12ms.
Additionally, I had ~50 down and ~12 up in around 2012, and it was costing around $30/mo. Residential is $120/mo.
It's really cool tech, but bold claims are not even supported by their actual documentation.
Of course not as good as fiber optic lol. You said "half way decent internet"
Latency also has distance to factor into it along with method of transfer (fiber optic def wins)
But it's also not as fast as cable, which is why I included the cable latency numbers too. It's not even as fast as DSL.
It IS like than 10x better than the next best satellite services (clocking between like 680-700ms?)
Again I think it's really cool tech and as a nerd I'm fully willing to nerd out about how much better it is than the competition and the potential benefits to resolving a lot of issues though!
Yeah but who the fuck needs their internet to be that fast if they're not running a private server?
People said "who needs faster internet" in the 90s, too. And the early 2000s. They'll keep saying it for years.
But data only gets bigger.
They really hate it when the monopoly benefits the people.
It's not even close to a monopoly. Satellite TV networks have offered internet for years. It's not Elons fault that their internet service is dog shit.
I'll be willing to grant them that technology has advanced since most of their satellites likely went up, and that gives Elon an advantage there.
But I'm also not sure why they think they can get away with punishing someone when no one else is even trying to compete.
It's not a monopoly when literally no one is doing the same thing.
If I run a shoe repair shop (random example) in a small town, I don't have a monopoly just because I'm the only one doing it, I would be a monopoly if I bought up all of the competition and made deals to actively prevent others from competing.
I also wouldn't have a monopoly just because I do it better than the competition either.
Corrupt government. Down to the lowest levels.
I think it’s funny how they decided it was a monopoly after they paid for it to be there.
That's true. There are several sat internet providers. Hughesnet and Viasat come to mind
It's not Musk's fault that theirs is fucking bullshit and Starlink is actually good from what I've heard
It's called competition thru technological innovation. It's the actual reason our patent system even exists
Musk's system offers incredible downlink/uplink speed and low latency. Traditional sat internet has decent down/up but their latency is SO HORRIFIC that it's only good for streaming video once it has begun.
Normal web browsing on sat internet is glacial and a horrible experience. We're talking 1500ms just to begin to contact a server...sometimes web assets take in excess of 20 seconds to load. Modern websites often have in excess of 200-300 assets to load (images, javascripts, css files)
This. Starlink is legitimately better than landline internet I have to say just because you get the same speed if not better and you can get it literally anywhere in the country and you can take it with you wherever you want to go without having to have some monkey come out to drill a hole in your wall. And all the other satellite providers suck ass and they limit your data and they are slow as molasses. But now after having starlink you couldn't pay me to go back to CenturyLink or Xfinity
True - they just can’t censor his platform. we can’t have the truth getting out
They never worry about the medical Monopoly
They're just upset that they can't control it is all.
What happened to Hughes or Direct?
There are other options, their inability to compete is is on them...
FCC is into swinging it's detachable penis around of late, check out how they stifle GMRS users over the late couple months. They no want us talking to each other.
Hughes is still around but it sucks
It's never been good
When I was looking at direct it was still terrestrial internet via AT&T
https://x.com/amuse/status/1834912509683220864?s=19
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1833961127429955985?s=19
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1833961127429955985?s=19
https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/fcc-chair-wants-more-competition-spacexs-starlink-unit-2024-09-11/
The Cabal doesn't want a monopoly unless it's Google.
Um...
Everyone first to market has a monopoly on a new thing.
Yep, it's called innovation. It's why our patent system exists. The left is fucking stupid. Trump's administration would never hire someone so short sighted, petty, jealous and vile
(but I hope he does, next time...in reverse! turnabout is fair play, gents)
This is about going after Elon Musk for X and his support of Trump
This whole thing is another example of weaponized government for political porpoises.
Ack, sorry for the crap title. It was 4:00 a.m.
Do people re-read the headings they put on these posts? It's so irritating when there are grammatical errors, spelling errors, wrong word usage, etc...Maybe it's being a product of public education?
Kammen Kore skooling. Thx. 0bama!
It's the criminal cabal machine against the people once again. Like goggle hasn't been a monopoly all these years? Thank goodness the chevron law was overturned. FCC is just the arm of the globalist mfers.
Elon just needs to ignore the FCC and activate Starlink These agencies are pompous morons and we do not need them
Good luck trying to shut it off. He’ll get injunctions that will sail starlink right through the blackouts. Either that or he’ll switch it on during the blackouts. This is a white hat base. They won’t be allows for take it. Now we know where the new sealed indictments should focus.
Every single US institution is captured. This is not surprising whatsoever.
So what. Try to stop starlink. It's up in space. FCC going to shoot them down?
Say they send in the swat team to starlink HQ
All Musk has to do is make the starlink operations constantly MOBILE and hide their whereabouts.
Could be a decentralized series of tractor trailers driving around with hidden Starlink antennas in their roofs, and these tractor trailers can even just be relays with no one inside other than the two drivers, running in shifts with comf sleep in the back (not the vehicle but the actual container)...it could be REALLY nice inside so they can drive continuously, and have aux solar on the top also
These would be used to manage administration that needs to be relayed in teh states, but they could have the main HQs outside of the jurisdiction of the US in countries with no extradition policy like seychelles or iceland I think
If the government is not going to enforce our laws equivalently for both side of the poliitical spectrum; and create winners and losers; and act in a monopolistic totalitarian way; and censor people; and steal elections
I REALLY DONT SEE WHY starlink should comply with FCC. Until this government is restored to constitutional modality and operations; until it is made WHOLE again, they shouldn't do anything the gov says
Like Trump, Musk should also assume the CIA and AT&T is going to try to assassinate him. It's weird, he's kind of covertly a cia non offical cover for one faction, but there are other factions of cia that also want to kill him
Just like typical leftists, they can't build anything, they can only destroy.
There are two other satellite internet companies that operate in the US. How can Starlink have a monopoly?
The fact that the most inefficient, the most ineffective, most wasteful entity on this planet [the government] gets to rule who is and isn't qualified is wild to me lol
The entirety of the federal govt has been weapinized.
I LOVE my Starlink and they are not taking that away from me!!!
blackout seems necessary
Bummer.., and what about globally run, Indian /muslim controlled facebook & Google?
Yeah well good luck with them trying to regulate it. It's not like they can shoot all the satellites down out of the sky they don't have control over his infrastructure
So funny how they cry like babies when they don't get to control everything!!
I suspect this will go down like the Sirius and XM merger hearings did. A satalite version of a service still needs to compete with the terrestrial ones. Starlink still needs to compete with AT&T, Spectrum, Cox, WOWAY, etc…
Evil.
Can one VPN it from abroad ?
No.