And, ANYTHING YOU ASK THE FATHER GOD, FOR IN THE NAME OF JESUS, HE WILL GIVE IT YOU. NO other/ Pray to God in Jesus' name if you want your prayers answered.
When Jesus died on the cross the veil in the temple was torn in half by God showing that we had no other mediator between God the Father and us besides Christ. The role of even priests was dialed back. Jesus is our high priest. We confess our sins to Him.
Ok. Enough. St. Paul wrote in his letters how he prayed for the early Church. How many people approached Jesus in his earthly life for another? We are all aware that Jesus is the one Mediator. We ask our heavenly brothers and sisters to pray for us. Do you have a mom and dad? One of them was the boss. One was the soft touch. How many times did you go to the other one first to pave the way for you? My girls used to come to me with “Can you talk to Dad for us?” It’s much the same way with Our Lady and the Saints. Sinner as I am, I’m ashamed to approach Almighty God. There’s safety in numbers. I’ll rely on, and ask for, my heavenly friends to pray for me. You do you. I’ll do me. We’re all on the same side. And I’ll pray for you♥️🙏🏻♥️
That’s wrong. The only mediator is Jesus Christ. Mary isn’t going to advocate for you before the Father. No angel would dare stand up to the Father for your sins. Only one can. Jesus. To confuse this is to completely misrepresent who Jesus is. And why God sent His son. So yea I agree enough. Enough of the..whatever this false god worship is..?
We can all "mediate" for each other--that's what someone asks for when they ask for prayers. There are prayer requests all the time here on GAW! The church on earth and the church in heaven are one community. We can ALL pray for each other.
We are called to be salt and light and test everything with scripture, including our own positions, not to be passive and say "you do you"
This is something you should seek and examine answer to by examining the scriptures and perhaps speaking with your qualified pastors or elders. Not for me but for yourself.
You are welcome to pray for me all you like. I have no problem with that. Again, this discussion is about praying TO angels, saints or anyone besides God. You keep making a basic category error.
I don't see anything wrong in what you are saying.
Of course we can request help from archangels! Worship only God but we are always free to ask anything of anyone. Trump wrote this in a brilliant way to not exclude anyone of any faith - (except, of course, those that side with satan.) He may be a Christian himself but he is a leader of not only Christians.
Okay give me ONE example from scripture of Jesus or the apostles or the OT prophets praying to anyone besides God or asking any angles or saints in heaven to pray / intercede for them that backs up that claim.
Serious question from someone raised catholic, first holy communion, confirmation, went to catholic school, etc. Not looking for an argument.
When you pray to Mary or Michael, do you do it audibly or do you pray silently? Because they're not omniscient, so if you're praying silently, they're not going to hear you.
And they're also not omnipresent, so unless they just happen to be hanging around your house or wherever you are, they're not going to hear you even if you are praying aloud.
How Old Is Your Church?
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
A much better and more biblical prayer than praying to an angel.
God / Jesus is our mediator. We pray to Him and He commands the angels on our behalf.
There is no example in scripture of praying to angels, saints or anyone besides God. That all came later and conflicts with scripture:
1 Timothy 2:5
And, ANYTHING YOU ASK THE FATHER GOD, FOR IN THE NAME OF JESUS, HE WILL GIVE IT YOU. NO other/ Pray to God in Jesus' name if you want your prayers answered.
Exactly.
When Jesus died on the cross the veil in the temple was torn in half by God showing that we had no other mediator between God the Father and us besides Christ. The role of even priests was dialed back. Jesus is our high priest. We confess our sins to Him.
Ok. Enough. St. Paul wrote in his letters how he prayed for the early Church. How many people approached Jesus in his earthly life for another? We are all aware that Jesus is the one Mediator. We ask our heavenly brothers and sisters to pray for us. Do you have a mom and dad? One of them was the boss. One was the soft touch. How many times did you go to the other one first to pave the way for you? My girls used to come to me with “Can you talk to Dad for us?” It’s much the same way with Our Lady and the Saints. Sinner as I am, I’m ashamed to approach Almighty God. There’s safety in numbers. I’ll rely on, and ask for, my heavenly friends to pray for me. You do you. I’ll do me. We’re all on the same side. And I’ll pray for you♥️🙏🏻♥️
That’s wrong. The only mediator is Jesus Christ. Mary isn’t going to advocate for you before the Father. No angel would dare stand up to the Father for your sins. Only one can. Jesus. To confuse this is to completely misrepresent who Jesus is. And why God sent His son. So yea I agree enough. Enough of the..whatever this false god worship is..?
We can all "mediate" for each other--that's what someone asks for when they ask for prayers. There are prayer requests all the time here on GAW! The church on earth and the church in heaven are one community. We can ALL pray for each other.
Stay in the subject.
Huge category error and logical fallacy.
There's a massive difference between asking someone to pray for you and praying to someone / something to intercede / meditate on your behalf.
If you choose to be separated from God then you are under deception. Shame isn't from God, it's an attack from the devil.
You do you. When we see God face to face it’ll be sorted out. Until then you’ll continue in my prayers.
"you do you" isn't a Christian position.
We are called to be salt and light and test everything with scripture, including our own positions, not to be passive and say "you do you"
This is something you should seek and examine answer to by examining the scriptures and perhaps speaking with your qualified pastors or elders. Not for me but for yourself.
You are welcome to pray for me all you like. I have no problem with that. Again, this discussion is about praying TO angels, saints or anyone besides God. You keep making a basic category error.
I don't see anything wrong in what you are saying.
Of course we can request help from archangels! Worship only God but we are always free to ask anything of anyone. Trump wrote this in a brilliant way to not exclude anyone of any faith - (except, of course, those that side with satan.) He may be a Christian himself but he is a leader of not only Christians.
No, actually, it's the same thing. The church on earth and the church in heaven are one community. We can ALL pray for each other.
Okay give me ONE example from scripture of Jesus or the apostles or the OT prophets praying to anyone besides God or asking any angles or saints in heaven to pray / intercede for them that backs up that claim.
I'll wait.
Shhhh handshake. I wasn't making fun of anyone.
But now I will....
You're kinda dumb. My proof is what we see in scripture and what we see demonstrated by Jesus, the apostles and clear as day verses like 1 Timothy 2:5
You have no proof. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Just "maybe" "it's possible"
I don't deal in "what ifs" when it comes to God's Word.
Serious question from someone raised catholic, first holy communion, confirmation, went to catholic school, etc. Not looking for an argument.
When you pray to Mary or Michael, do you do it audibly or do you pray silently? Because they're not omniscient, so if you're praying silently, they're not going to hear you.
And they're also not omnipresent, so unless they just happen to be hanging around your house or wherever you are, they're not going to hear you even if you are praying aloud.
So how do you contend with that?
We have faith that our prayers are heard, we hope our prayers are heard, and we pray charitably. Faith, hope, charity.
Thankfully Trump is only pandering to Catholics on this. Today is "the feast of st. Michael the archangel"
They hand out feast days like Oprah hands out cars meme kek
It is the original Church after all.
Haha. Says you.
Says historical fact.
How Old Is Your Church? If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.