There is no manuscript of the "Q" document. It is merely a hypothesis made by rather anti-Christian "scientific" biblical scholars (gotta "follow the science" eh?) that the evangelists never existed, just various "schools of thought" that grew up around their names. The Gospels are by this theory basically plagiarism of some hypothesized-but-never-found source (quelle) text that they call Q.
Irenaeus, a really important Christian leader from a long time ago, explained who wrote the four Gospels and why we trust them. He was a disciple of polycarp, and polycarp was a disable of apostle john.Here's what he said about the authors:
Matthew: Irenaeus said that Matthew, who was one of Jesus' close followers (called an apostle), wrote his Gospel especially for the Jewish people. He said, “Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome and laying the foundations of the Church.” This means that Matthew wrote his Gospel when other important Christians, Peter and Paul, were spreading the message in Rome.
Mark: Irenaeus said that Mark wasn’t one of the apostles but he was very close to Peter, one of Jesus' main apostles. He wrote, “Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter.” So, Mark wrote down what Peter taught about Jesus.
Luke: Irenaeus explained that Luke was a good friend of Paul, another very important Christian teacher. He wrote, “Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him.” This means Luke wrote down the things Paul taught about Jesus, even though he wasn’t one of the twelve apostles.
John: Finally, Irenaeus said that John, who was very close to Jesus, wrote his Gospel much later. He said, “John, the disciple of the Lord, who also leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia.” This tells us that John wrote his Gospel when he was living in a place called Ephesus, and since he knew Jesus really well, we can trust what he wrote.
Irenaeus wanted everyone to know that these four Gospels were written by people who either knew Jesus personally or were really close to the apostles who did. That’s why Christians believe these Gospels are so important and trustworthy!
This is in Nuremberg Germany. Formally known as the quelle. It's just a few blocks away on the same street from the original trials.constrution began 2017. Some believe Nuremberg 2.0 will be held there.
Now for this I wish Juan O’Savin would finally pipe up and set us straight on this. Of all people I can think of off hand, he would know how this and Q all Biblically connects.
I wish Kim Clement were still alive too. He surly could help us sort this out.
Why do you guys hold that dude in such high esteem? He talked a whole lot of nonsense in the last interim period (Nov 2020 - Jan 2021). Said he knew this was gonna happen or that from intelligence and that 45 would be back in the WH Jan 20th. He is very shilly. Why do you need him so much? You'd be better off with people like Badlands BB, Just Human and Jon Herald, at least they don't pretend they know things and they like to make predictions but then re-visit if they got it wrong. They also dissect all the angles. Much more real than O'Savin.
Juan made one miscall and admitted it. One! The rest, 99% of what he has said has come to pass, currently going on, or is potentially coming down the pipe.
If you’d like to discuss it more you’d better start taking notes on every one of his videos. I know many of the details by heart. Juan is as close to Dave on X22 as Dave is directly tied to Trump.
That would be interesting. About a year ago I think when Juan and Jerry Foley and a small group went out to the statue for the Pilgrims (“National Monument to the Forefathers”) he talked about the covenant they had made when they arrived and started Plymouth Colony.
This past week Juan told Nino that we’re supposed to be celebrating this week “Sukkah” / Tabernacles, camping out and celebrating blessings from God, 1 of the 7 feasts / celebrations given to the Hebrew people who were freed from slavery in Egypt. I think he will say more next year. https://rumble.com/v5j4f9h-juan-o-savin-bearshit-gamed-out.-crisis-or-reality-nino-10-17-2024.html
(“ JUAN O SAVIN- BEARSHIT Gamed out. CRISIS or REALITY? - NINO 10 17 2024”). — I think the title was made up just to get attention!).
Sorry, I don’t have the minute marker, it was a short “aside” comment, but significant. I’ll be listening a second time.
This past week Juan told Nino that we’re supposed to be celebrating this week “Sukkah” / Tabernacles, camping out and celebrating blessings from God, 1 of the 7 feasts / celebrations given to the Hebrew people who were freed from slavery in Egypt.
Have you ever followed the scripture on it? It’s an amazing feast.
I read the scriptures on these feast / celebrations and I would like to follow more closely. One of my newer friends just had surgery, is recovering well. He often has a campout for Tabernacles. I am planning for next year.
So what do you think? ,
My thoughts are that these scriptures are not about our works to earn salvation, but celebrations to understand God’s plan and experience and understand more closely God’s works / God’s part of His plan? That would make sense to me.
My thoughts are that these scriptures are not about our works to earn salvation, but celebrations to understand God’s plan and experience and understand more closely God’s works / God’s part of His plan?
Bingo. They give better insight into what we need to be doing, how God has worked, and how God will work, so that we can synchronize.
Any good concert will have a good conductor keeping everyone on the same rhythm.
There is no one like Juan who seems to know his Biblical stories tied to past and current events. I have still yet to hear anyone connect like him outside Kim Clement himself.
Juan does tie in the stories like none other. On some global affairs details he says some things that confuse me, but he travels so much that I give him a break. And another Anon , I think a Mod here, wrote that Juan has people who advise him like handlers and so some things he will put out might have the numbers off. 2 million dead in Sudan, I think it is possibly 2 million or 200,000 displaced.
Whoever doesn’t understand these aspects about Juan is probably the person giving the “-1s”
I got downvoted for saying this here years ago. Everyone around Jesus wrote a book. Why wouldn't Jesus have his own work? There should be a gospel of Mary as well.
Most scholars agree Jesus was born between 4 - 6 BC. That’s a huge difference in time since the time of the Nivea meeting in 325 AD. There could be huge issue with what has been lost in translation or man’s potential for biased views during the meeting etc.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the second Person of the Holy Trinity. He had every opportunity to become a powerful political figure (see e.g. his triumphal entry into Jerusalem after raising Lazarus from the dead, celebrated as Palm Sunday) but didn’t. So why would he write a book when he had work to do directly? At least I have answered your question of why he wouldn’t.
Deceit is the number one sign Jesus gave as being rampant in the end times. Do not be deceived. Jesus verified the Bible by quoting from it several times. He inspired the New Testament. This is your ONLY source of TRUTH!
Well, yeah. But keep in mind that the ancient Hebrews asked for a church. They wanted a temple. There was no centralized uniform way or place to worship. So people were taking existing pagan idols, little statues n trinkets they'd have in the house, roject God onto that,, and worship it. Its called Teraphim. This is idolatry, and our Lord is a jealous God who is particularly offended at this practice. This is also why God gave Moses the Law. They needed some order.. Now, you can see how this would invite the corrupted eye and mind, and the Church is indeed now infiltrated.
This topic comes up every couple of months.
There is no manuscript of the "Q" document. It is merely a hypothesis made by rather anti-Christian "scientific" biblical scholars (gotta "follow the science" eh?) that the evangelists never existed, just various "schools of thought" that grew up around their names. The Gospels are by this theory basically plagiarism of some hypothesized-but-never-found source (quelle) text that they call Q.
can i get some sauce?
Do we know who first called this allegedly existent thing that?
German biblical scholars from the mid-1800s. "Quelle" is German.
Quelle is pretty sounding. It would make a nice girls name. https://www.oed.com/dictionary/quelle_n?tl=true Means: what
Irenaeus, a really important Christian leader from a long time ago, explained who wrote the four Gospels and why we trust them. He was a disciple of polycarp, and polycarp was a disable of apostle john.Here's what he said about the authors:
Matthew: Irenaeus said that Matthew, who was one of Jesus' close followers (called an apostle), wrote his Gospel especially for the Jewish people. He said, “Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome and laying the foundations of the Church.” This means that Matthew wrote his Gospel when other important Christians, Peter and Paul, were spreading the message in Rome.
Mark: Irenaeus said that Mark wasn’t one of the apostles but he was very close to Peter, one of Jesus' main apostles. He wrote, “Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter.” So, Mark wrote down what Peter taught about Jesus.
Luke: Irenaeus explained that Luke was a good friend of Paul, another very important Christian teacher. He wrote, “Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him.” This means Luke wrote down the things Paul taught about Jesus, even though he wasn’t one of the twelve apostles.
John: Finally, Irenaeus said that John, who was very close to Jesus, wrote his Gospel much later. He said, “John, the disciple of the Lord, who also leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia.” This tells us that John wrote his Gospel when he was living in a place called Ephesus, and since he knew Jesus really well, we can trust what he wrote.
Irenaeus wanted everyone to know that these four Gospels were written by people who either knew Jesus personally or were really close to the apostles who did. That’s why Christians believe these Gospels are so important and trustworthy!
Some people can't 'member WHAT they had last night for dinner how is one going to expect them to remember "Q" document is a hypothesis?????
True, but that's not likely why "Q" uses it.
Q is the mathematical symbol for heat; thus why it is likely used for the U.S. Deparment of Energy (DOE) security clearance.
Once I learned that, this became a favorite Q drop.
u/#q2830
This is in Nuremberg Germany. Formally known as the quelle. It's just a few blocks away on the same street from the original trials.constrution began 2017. Some believe Nuremberg 2.0 will be held there.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bNt5dtgopuKE3vyk6?g_st=ac
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3W2CD1nzJ5bVDSd3A?g_st=ac
Now for this I wish Juan O’Savin would finally pipe up and set us straight on this. Of all people I can think of off hand, he would know how this and Q all Biblically connects.
I wish Kim Clement were still alive too. He surly could help us sort this out.
Why do you guys hold that dude in such high esteem? He talked a whole lot of nonsense in the last interim period (Nov 2020 - Jan 2021). Said he knew this was gonna happen or that from intelligence and that 45 would be back in the WH Jan 20th. He is very shilly. Why do you need him so much? You'd be better off with people like Badlands BB, Just Human and Jon Herald, at least they don't pretend they know things and they like to make predictions but then re-visit if they got it wrong. They also dissect all the angles. Much more real than O'Savin.
Juan made one miscall and admitted it. One! The rest, 99% of what he has said has come to pass, currently going on, or is potentially coming down the pipe.
If you’d like to discuss it more you’d better start taking notes on every one of his videos. I know many of the details by heart. Juan is as close to Dave on X22 as Dave is directly tied to Trump.
That would be interesting. About a year ago I think when Juan and Jerry Foley and a small group went out to the statue for the Pilgrims (“National Monument to the Forefathers”) he talked about the covenant they had made when they arrived and started Plymouth Colony.
This past week Juan told Nino that we’re supposed to be celebrating this week “Sukkah” / Tabernacles, camping out and celebrating blessings from God, 1 of the 7 feasts / celebrations given to the Hebrew people who were freed from slavery in Egypt. I think he will say more next year. https://rumble.com/v5j4f9h-juan-o-savin-bearshit-gamed-out.-crisis-or-reality-nino-10-17-2024.html (“ JUAN O SAVIN- BEARSHIT Gamed out. CRISIS or REALITY? - NINO 10 17 2024”). — I think the title was made up just to get attention!).
Sorry, I don’t have the minute marker, it was a short “aside” comment, but significant. I’ll be listening a second time.
Have you ever followed the scripture on it? It’s an amazing feast.
I read the scriptures on these feast / celebrations and I would like to follow more closely. One of my newer friends just had surgery, is recovering well. He often has a campout for Tabernacles. I am planning for next year.
So what do you think? , My thoughts are that these scriptures are not about our works to earn salvation, but celebrations to understand God’s plan and experience and understand more closely God’s works / God’s part of His plan? That would make sense to me.
Happy Sukkah / camping out / Tabernacles!
Bingo. They give better insight into what we need to be doing, how God has worked, and how God will work, so that we can synchronize.
Any good concert will have a good conductor keeping everyone on the same rhythm.
There is no one like Juan who seems to know his Biblical stories tied to past and current events. I have still yet to hear anyone connect like him outside Kim Clement himself.
Juan does tie in the stories like none other. On some global affairs details he says some things that confuse me, but he travels so much that I give him a break. And another Anon , I think a Mod here, wrote that Juan has people who advise him like handlers and so some things he will put out might have the numbers off. 2 million dead in Sudan, I think it is possibly 2 million or 200,000 displaced.
Whoever doesn’t understand these aspects about Juan is probably the person giving the “-1s”
I got downvoted for saying this here years ago. Everyone around Jesus wrote a book. Why wouldn't Jesus have his own work? There should be a gospel of Mary as well.
He picked men that would write about it latter.
The books are his books.
In my University theology classes, they said that the Bible (New Testament) was written 300 years after the birth of Christ.
The council of nicea in 325 was to decide which books would be included. The books were already written. Just not compiled in to the modern Bible yet.
Most scholars agree Jesus was born between 4 - 6 BC. That’s a huge difference in time since the time of the Nivea meeting in 325 AD. There could be huge issue with what has been lost in translation or man’s potential for biased views during the meeting etc.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the second Person of the Holy Trinity. He had every opportunity to become a powerful political figure (see e.g. his triumphal entry into Jerusalem after raising Lazarus from the dead, celebrated as Palm Sunday) but didn’t. So why would he write a book when he had work to do directly? At least I have answered your question of why he wouldn’t.
Deceit is the number one sign Jesus gave as being rampant in the end times. Do not be deceived. Jesus verified the Bible by quoting from it several times. He inspired the New Testament. This is your ONLY source of TRUTH!
So before churches and priests, as in, before that control mechanism was implemented. Will keep in mind. Thanks for info.
Well, yeah. But keep in mind that the ancient Hebrews asked for a church. They wanted a temple. There was no centralized uniform way or place to worship. So people were taking existing pagan idols, little statues n trinkets they'd have in the house, roject God onto that,, and worship it. Its called Teraphim. This is idolatry, and our Lord is a jealous God who is particularly offended at this practice. This is also why God gave Moses the Law. They needed some order.. Now, you can see how this would invite the corrupted eye and mind, and the Church is indeed now infiltrated.