I think their game is using temp agencies that “employ” slave labor. I have little sympathy. There are 1,000 ways to skirt laws. Prosecution is the only lesson with impact. Send them home.
I'm all for it! By the way, I work in Security and have off and on for 3 decades. I'm in the same boat, no benefits, and the illegals that get paid cash are better off than I am since I have 7.65% plus income tax and working too much cut off my SS Retirement check.
Punish the employers as well, they are breaking the law just as much as the illegals and are profiting more.
All of my family came to the United States LEGALLY, to become American citizens. Many of us have served this great country as well.
Fuck the illegal aliens. If they want to be in America, they must do so the right way. Fuck the businesses who hire them. When they go under, do you think that there will be other companies with American citizen workers out there who will fill the gap?
Let's think about this. What happens if all the illegal immigrants actually did disappear overnight? The free enterprise system kicks into gear. For a short time there would be some hardships. But the companies that only exist by exploiting other humans will go out of business. Companies that appreciate their fellow man will offer wages that are attractive and charge customers accordingly. Should anyone expect that a human providing for a family would be picking produce or making beds for a wage above zero but far less than needed if they weren't trapped by those who take advantage of them? Some goods and services will become more expensive, but will be done by people who do the jobs willingly. Can you imagine?
The transfer might be a bit less problematic if you started with a period of few years when companies that hire only legal citizens and legal immigrants would be rewarded in some ways. Like maybe needing to pay way less taxes.
I would agree with you IF we were in a capitalist society. We aren’t we are in corporations lobby heavy society. The free market doesn’t exist as long as large corporations can sway any laws that would relive the business cost of small business. Do that and there is a chance.
5D chess is that when the world is free and all countries start prospering, and welfare tap gets cut off, immigrants will voluntarily return to their home country.
Restaurants, factories, and many other industries are using illegals. Do you think the youth of today will suddenly become productive workers? They crave playing on their phones and have no work ethics. My factory can't run efficiently on labor that's always late or calling off. Do you think the crazy, drunk, druggie homeless population is going to clean your room or business, get you that Whopper?
The need to make money to be able to eat and pay rent is a great motivator. End all subsidies and after the subsequent chimp outs subsided, I bet we'd find plenty of people willing to work again (or for the first time).
I say damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. Kick all of the illegals out and let the chips fall where they may. There is a way to come here legally as a worker or to become a citizen.
I believe he is going after military age men that came into this country in the thousanda, gangs, those with criminal backgrounds, certain country orgins, and those on public welfare...tax payer money
Take all the people on welfare and make them work for that check. There are so many milking the system that absolutely can work. When I was helping a candidate, we spoke to a Democrat who was totally milking the system. I was so disgusted.
25 years ago, when my darling and I moved to where we live now (for work), we were stunned to learn that milking welfare and charity was a lifestyle path/choice for a lot of late GenXers and millennials. We'd never seen anything like it, nor could imagine it.
There were actually organized meetings of them at the local degree mill (liberal arts college) where they would share intel on how to do this. They produced nothing for others, they just saw their role as taking, because they could. They hated "rich people," they hated Republicans, they hated business owners, they hated the military...so some of them excused their parasitism by saying, "We stickin it to the man."
One thing is competition, of course. The illegals are cheaper, so presumably most of even those companies that would prefer to hire citizens for the grunt work can't afford to do that, or at least think they can't, because then they'd lose to those that do use the illegals.
Plus I presume you may have other systems in use, like maybe government subsidies, that help companies that hire "refugees" or such compete against firms that rely on only citizen employees. I know something like those exist in Finland.
I worked with a lot of companies (logistics and infrastructure) who didn't give a s!!t about the immigration status of illegals, all they saw was quarterly numbers in a spreadsheet...and the opportunity to buy another lakeside house, boat, or silicone-boobed trophy wife.
Corrupt business owners constantly get a pass in this larger problem, and when challenged they whine and whine about Muh Can't Afford To Follow The Law.
It's time someone made THEIR illegal activity costly.
Most of those can still deal with that. But there are ones who can't. The really small operations, the ones still left. Think in terms of something like a family farm, already squeezed almost out of existence due to the regulations and laws the big ones can deal with but they really can't, that might need extra workers a couple of times per year. Who are they going to hire? Or will they then just give up and sell to anybody willing to buy?
Who are the ones who can afford lobbyists? The rules favor them. And that is not going to change by getting rid of the illegals.
I worked for 20+ years with small farmers all over North America and elsewhere, in a variety of capacities (policy, analysis, research, networking/organizing, business development).
NONE of them saw hiring illegals as an option.
They wanted to see a playing field where they and their families could transmit traditions, land, skills, and farming systems between generations, without being hugely punished...
...by the big boys who after all had as their scheme to suck up every acre of farmland in the US, and consolidate it, and hire "farmers" to run it mainly as neofeudal sharecroppers.
Those small farmers--hundreds of thousands of them, then--HAD THE ANSWERS. But they were prevented from putting them into practice because those who controlled policy response, taxation, estate law, etc., had their own ideas of how things should be...and the power and money to inflict that model.
A big part of that money and power involves trafficking of illegal labor.
Plus let's not overlook how a lot of the big "farm" interests were doing backdoor deals with Chyna and others. E.g., in the late 1990s up till the 2008 crash, I took calls nearly every day regarding "orientals" arriving in big black SUVs and going into farm fields (both corporate and small farm) to steal germplasm.
Chyna stole trillions of dollars in germplasm that way, with the help of the big players, and the farmers who developed it through painstaking labor got nothing.
That wont be a reason not to toss them all. You may have to clean your own hotel room. Maybe different business models that are more efficient will come out of this. But they all need to go.
I agree, I'm not in support of them staying. I have a lot of Filipinos who would love to come here and work. They speak English, make it easier as a guest worker. Make them pay TAXES
Come now. How can Big Ag keep producing the goyslop that produces sick people for Pharma if they don't produce comestibles using the cheapest, lowest grade sector inputs!?
The Criminal Aliens Act of 1788 is often confused with laws passed later regarding immigration, but in reality, it refers to laws passed in the U.S. during a time when the country was just beginning to define its legal approach to foreign nationals. Specifically, it is connected to the broader historical context of how states dealt with foreigners who were perceived as threats or undesirables. Here’s a brief overview:
Historical Context:
In the late 18th century, the United States was newly independent and still forming its identity. Foreign nationals, including those from countries like Britain or France, were present in the U.S., and some were seen as a potential threat to the nascent nation.
In 1788, concerns over the influence of foreigners led some states to pass local laws targeting "dangerous" aliens, particularly if they were involved in criminal activity.
Criminal Aliens and State Authority:
During this time, states like New York, Massachusetts, and Virginia sought to assert their own authority over how they dealt with criminal aliens, which meant foreigners who were accused or convicted of crimes.
These laws allowed states to expel or restrict individuals considered dangerous to the public or to state security. This was before the federal government fully took control of immigration policy in the United States.
Connection to the Alien and Sedition Acts:
While the Criminal Aliens Act of 1788 isn't directly tied to a specific federal law with that title, it is often mentioned in connection with the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798.
The Alien and Sedition Acts included measures that allowed the federal government to detain or deport foreigners considered dangerous or who posed a threat during times of war.
Legal Legacy:
These early state laws regarding criminal aliens set a precedent for later federal legislation on immigration and foreign nationals. They reflected early American concerns about national security and the role of non-citizens in the country.
Over time, the federal government would consolidate its authority over immigration law, with major changes occurring in the 19th and 20th centuries.
Though often overlooked in the broader sweep of U.S. legal history, these early regulations like the ones from 1788 show the formative period when states exercised considerable power over issues like immigration and public safety.
Trump's plan to use the Alien Enemies Act to deport violent immigrants would face challenges since the act only applies during wartime and to nationals of enemy countries. He could only use it if the U.S. were in a state of war or active hostilities with a specific nation. Most violent immigrants wouldn't fall under this scope, and deportations of criminals are already handled under existing immigration laws. Expanding the act's use would likely require new legislation and face legal battles due to constitutional protections and due process rights.
Lets see... I am Mr. Corporate, I can pay an American 15 bucks an hour. Also having to match his Fica of 7.65%, I have to pay unemployment with a fed rider when fed extensions kick in, I have to pay Workers' Comp, provide Insurance, Vacations, sick days, 401K or Pension, etc
I hire an Illegal I pay him 15 bucks cash, and in some cases no time and a half in OT
Guatemala Abortion only if the mother is at risk...
So you make guest worker status possible for those who have been here a certain number of years. You get the Good Bishop to let them know how they want to kill their babies and sell the body parts.
Catholics are raised up to believe a large family is good.
Let the good workers know all this before the election, and maybe they won't vote for Harris like the new arrivals who were heavily bribed were. If they get to stay and help Dios fight abortion?
I'm not advocating this, I'm all for the collapse of the filthy unpatriotic businesses using illegal labor.
That sounds good in theory, but people coming from these Latin countries predominantly vote for more socialism. The free gibs are more important to them than their Catholic principals. If you don't believe me, you can look up the demographic data for yourself.
most of these folk are from poverty stricken catholic countries.
That's why Catholic Charities smuggles illegally to America.
That's the problem...Them and other criminal NGOs
I think their game is using temp agencies that “employ” slave labor. I have little sympathy. There are 1,000 ways to skirt laws. Prosecution is the only lesson with impact. Send them home.
I'm all for it! By the way, I work in Security and have off and on for 3 decades. I'm in the same boat, no benefits, and the illegals that get paid cash are better off than I am since I have 7.65% plus income tax and working too much cut off my SS Retirement check.
Punish the employers as well, they are breaking the law just as much as the illegals and are profiting more.
u/#correct
They have to go back.
All of my family came to the United States LEGALLY, to become American citizens. Many of us have served this great country as well.
Fuck the illegal aliens. If they want to be in America, they must do so the right way. Fuck the businesses who hire them. When they go under, do you think that there will be other companies with American citizen workers out there who will fill the gap?
NO MORE illegal aliens!
America is better because of citizens like yourself.
Let's think about this. What happens if all the illegal immigrants actually did disappear overnight? The free enterprise system kicks into gear. For a short time there would be some hardships. But the companies that only exist by exploiting other humans will go out of business. Companies that appreciate their fellow man will offer wages that are attractive and charge customers accordingly. Should anyone expect that a human providing for a family would be picking produce or making beds for a wage above zero but far less than needed if they weren't trapped by those who take advantage of them? Some goods and services will become more expensive, but will be done by people who do the jobs willingly. Can you imagine?
The transfer might be a bit less problematic if you started with a period of few years when companies that hire only legal citizens and legal immigrants would be rewarded in some ways. Like maybe needing to pay way less taxes.
I would agree with you IF we were in a capitalist society. We aren’t we are in corporations lobby heavy society. The free market doesn’t exist as long as large corporations can sway any laws that would relive the business cost of small business. Do that and there is a chance.
Agreed!
5D chess is that when the world is free and all countries start prospering, and welfare tap gets cut off, immigrants will voluntarily return to their home country.
Take this to the bank.
Restaurants, factories, and many other industries are using illegals. Do you think the youth of today will suddenly become productive workers? They crave playing on their phones and have no work ethics. My factory can't run efficiently on labor that's always late or calling off. Do you think the crazy, drunk, druggie homeless population is going to clean your room or business, get you that Whopper?
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You can put farmers (in the states) high on that list as well.
Way up high unfortunately.....
Seasonal visa for farm workers.
All of them?
KEK....
Well no....
The need to make money to be able to eat and pay rent is a great motivator. End all subsidies and after the subsequent chimp outs subsided, I bet we'd find plenty of people willing to work again (or for the first time).
exactly.
I know lots of young people that want to work and earn money. Social media is not the real world. They're going to have to anyway just to eat.
I say damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. Kick all of the illegals out and let the chips fall where they may. There is a way to come here legally as a worker or to become a citizen.
A servant class is not the solution. A true and full awakening is.
But a servant / slave class has always been there since ancient times all across the world.
What wil the servant class do when it’s replaced by the robot class.
I believe he is going after military age men that came into this country in the thousanda, gangs, those with criminal backgrounds, certain country orgins, and those on public welfare...tax payer money
Ayup
Take all the people on welfare and make them work for that check. There are so many milking the system that absolutely can work. When I was helping a candidate, we spoke to a Democrat who was totally milking the system. I was so disgusted.
25 years ago, when my darling and I moved to where we live now (for work), we were stunned to learn that milking welfare and charity was a lifestyle path/choice for a lot of late GenXers and millennials. We'd never seen anything like it, nor could imagine it.
There were actually organized meetings of them at the local degree mill (liberal arts college) where they would share intel on how to do this. They produced nothing for others, they just saw their role as taking, because they could. They hated "rich people," they hated Republicans, they hated business owners, they hated the military...so some of them excused their parasitism by saying, "We stickin it to the man."
A hard reboot is necessary.
One thing is competition, of course. The illegals are cheaper, so presumably most of even those companies that would prefer to hire citizens for the grunt work can't afford to do that, or at least think they can't, because then they'd lose to those that do use the illegals.
Plus I presume you may have other systems in use, like maybe government subsidies, that help companies that hire "refugees" or such compete against firms that rely on only citizen employees. I know something like those exist in Finland.
I worked with a lot of companies (logistics and infrastructure) who didn't give a s!!t about the immigration status of illegals, all they saw was quarterly numbers in a spreadsheet...and the opportunity to buy another lakeside house, boat, or silicone-boobed trophy wife.
Corrupt business owners constantly get a pass in this larger problem, and when challenged they whine and whine about Muh Can't Afford To Follow The Law.
It's time someone made THEIR illegal activity costly.
Most of those can still deal with that. But there are ones who can't. The really small operations, the ones still left. Think in terms of something like a family farm, already squeezed almost out of existence due to the regulations and laws the big ones can deal with but they really can't, that might need extra workers a couple of times per year. Who are they going to hire? Or will they then just give up and sell to anybody willing to buy?
Who are the ones who can afford lobbyists? The rules favor them. And that is not going to change by getting rid of the illegals.
I worked for 20+ years with small farmers all over North America and elsewhere, in a variety of capacities (policy, analysis, research, networking/organizing, business development).
NONE of them saw hiring illegals as an option.
They wanted to see a playing field where they and their families could transmit traditions, land, skills, and farming systems between generations, without being hugely punished...
...by the big boys who after all had as their scheme to suck up every acre of farmland in the US, and consolidate it, and hire "farmers" to run it mainly as neofeudal sharecroppers.
Those small farmers--hundreds of thousands of them, then--HAD THE ANSWERS. But they were prevented from putting them into practice because those who controlled policy response, taxation, estate law, etc., had their own ideas of how things should be...and the power and money to inflict that model.
A big part of that money and power involves trafficking of illegal labor.
Plus let's not overlook how a lot of the big "farm" interests were doing backdoor deals with Chyna and others. E.g., in the late 1990s up till the 2008 crash, I took calls nearly every day regarding "orientals" arriving in big black SUVs and going into farm fields (both corporate and small farm) to steal germplasm.
Chyna stole trillions of dollars in germplasm that way, with the help of the big players, and the farmers who developed it through painstaking labor got nothing.
That wont be a reason not to toss them all. You may have to clean your own hotel room. Maybe different business models that are more efficient will come out of this. But they all need to go.
I agree, I'm not in support of them staying. I have a lot of Filipinos who would love to come here and work. They speak English, make it easier as a guest worker. Make them pay TAXES
Cutting off the payments will be a big help.
They used to have 'Seasonals workers' work then go home.
Come now. How can Big Ag keep producing the goyslop that produces sick people for Pharma if they don't produce comestibles using the cheapest, lowest grade sector inputs!?
There are also people out of work and illegals have been taking their jobs.
Yes
The Criminal Aliens Act of 1788 is often confused with laws passed later regarding immigration, but in reality, it refers to laws passed in the U.S. during a time when the country was just beginning to define its legal approach to foreign nationals. Specifically, it is connected to the broader historical context of how states dealt with foreigners who were perceived as threats or undesirables. Here’s a brief overview:
In the late 18th century, the United States was newly independent and still forming its identity. Foreign nationals, including those from countries like Britain or France, were present in the U.S., and some were seen as a potential threat to the nascent nation.
In 1788, concerns over the influence of foreigners led some states to pass local laws targeting "dangerous" aliens, particularly if they were involved in criminal activity.
During this time, states like New York, Massachusetts, and Virginia sought to assert their own authority over how they dealt with criminal aliens, which meant foreigners who were accused or convicted of crimes.
These laws allowed states to expel or restrict individuals considered dangerous to the public or to state security. This was before the federal government fully took control of immigration policy in the United States.
While the Criminal Aliens Act of 1788 isn't directly tied to a specific federal law with that title, it is often mentioned in connection with the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798.
The Alien and Sedition Acts included measures that allowed the federal government to detain or deport foreigners considered dangerous or who posed a threat during times of war.
These early state laws regarding criminal aliens set a precedent for later federal legislation on immigration and foreign nationals. They reflected early American concerns about national security and the role of non-citizens in the country.
Over time, the federal government would consolidate its authority over immigration law, with major changes occurring in the 19th and 20th centuries.
Though often overlooked in the broader sweep of U.S. legal history, these early regulations like the ones from 1788 show the formative period when states exercised considerable power over issues like immigration and public safety.
Trump's plan to use the Alien Enemies Act to deport violent immigrants would face challenges since the act only applies during wartime and to nationals of enemy countries. He could only use it if the U.S. were in a state of war or active hostilities with a specific nation. Most violent immigrants wouldn't fall under this scope, and deportations of criminals are already handled under existing immigration laws. Expanding the act's use would likely require new legislation and face legal battles due to constitutional protections and due process rights.
America is always under attack and at war.. Cut off the benefits to non USA citizens.
The "War of Terror" is still ongoing. Trump can pretty much do what he wants.
So you're saying the real problem is the private sector employers who hire illegals?
Fine. They can go as well.
Lets see... I am Mr. Corporate, I can pay an American 15 bucks an hour. Also having to match his Fica of 7.65%, I have to pay unemployment with a fed rider when fed extensions kick in, I have to pay Workers' Comp, provide Insurance, Vacations, sick days, 401K or Pension, etc
I hire an Illegal I pay him 15 bucks cash, and in some cases no time and a half in OT
Yeah, you concentrate your profits and socialize your losses. Good commie.
They need to punish these companies, they are treasonous.
Crop harvesting won't be impacted nearly as much as people think. Most of those are actually here legally.
Nicaragua Abortion Illegal...
Honduras Abortion Illegal...
Guatemala Abortion only if the mother is at risk...
So you make guest worker status possible for those who have been here a certain number of years. You get the Good Bishop to let them know how they want to kill their babies and sell the body parts.
Catholics are raised up to believe a large family is good.
Let the good workers know all this before the election, and maybe they won't vote for Harris like the new arrivals who were heavily bribed were. If they get to stay and help Dios fight abortion?
I'm not advocating this, I'm all for the collapse of the filthy unpatriotic businesses using illegal labor.
That sounds good in theory, but people coming from these Latin countries predominantly vote for more socialism. The free gibs are more important to them than their Catholic principals. If you don't believe me, you can look up the demographic data for yourself.
most of these folk are from poverty stricken catholic countries. That's why Catholic Charities smuggles illegally to America. That's the problem...Them and other criminal NGOs
The first to go will be all those riding the system for free!
Gay and no. They all go. All of them. Will fix us to fix immigration so we can do it right. No deals. High schoolers need jobs too.
Trump won't be throwing ALL the illegals out, at least at first
Is there anything preventing American citizens from encouraging this on our own? A public-private partnership?
But let's at least throw out all the Haitians who were handling our meat?
Chuck her in the van like a side of beef...